| Too much expectation and entitlement 09:38 - Jan 22 with 5534 views | jasondozzell |
Think maybe we need to accept that just because we want to win the league, that doesn't mean we have a God given right to.
Has Kmac improved the team? Yes. Has he got us playing a really good style of football? Yes. Have we made huge progress on and off the field? Yes.
He's a gifted young coach and this is his first job. Robson didn't win everything straight away either did he. Inevitable that there will be bumps in the road.
A few seasons ago we would have been desperate to be in the top 6 after awful mid table finishes in this league. I know we've had so much disappointment but turning the club around from where it was was never going to be an easy fix.
We are still creating good chances. At the moment it's finishing letting us down really. Fog meant second half was lottery.
Team needs our support. That means when we are going through a harder patch too.
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:24 - Jan 22 with 1261 views | pointofblue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:14 - Jan 22 by PioneerBlue |
Expecting anything is the very definition of entitlement. The money accelerates the ability to accumulate a group of players that could give you a chance to compete for promotion. |
Five year old tantrum time - why is it always us? We get a rich owner in in the late 00s and screw it up when we have the financial advantage. We get rich owners in the early 20s and go from cruising the division to being cut adrift from the automatic promotion places. Just once, can something go right for us? For once, can things fall into place and we be the team that dominates and churns out results rather than fall meekly away?
Sod it.
/Five year old tantrum over
(Yes, I am fully aware the above is a perfect example of entitlement) |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:48 - Jan 22 with 1185 views | Steve_M |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:21 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
I’m sorry if I’ve misunderstood you but I see no entitlement or conceitedness from fans whatsoever on here or FPR and I don’t see much expectation either. And I certainly don’t see any appeals to God. |
There was a lot of entitlement in the stand yesterday, ugly and unpleasant. I liked some aspects of us being sh1t as these cu nts didn't decide to come along to away matches.
We were crap on the pitch yesterday but that wasn't the only reason why it was a miserable game. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:51 - Jan 22 with 1161 views | jasondozzell |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:48 - Jan 22 by Steve_M |
There was a lot of entitlement in the stand yesterday, ugly and unpleasant. I liked some aspects of us being sh1t as these cu nts didn't decide to come along to away matches.
We were crap on the pitch yesterday but that wasn't the only reason why it was a miserable game. |
Completely agree. It's been great to see bigger followings but was a bit shocked at antics yesterday. Saw some telling players to f off , smashing seats etc. and reacting like we'd been on the end of a totally gutless hammering. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:01 - Jan 22 with 1116 views | Ryorry |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:51 - Jan 22 by jasondozzell |
Completely agree. It's been great to see bigger followings but was a bit shocked at antics yesterday. Saw some telling players to f off , smashing seats etc. and reacting like we'd been on the end of a totally gutless hammering. |
Bloodyell, that's horrendous, must admit I'm more than a bit shocked. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:04 - Jan 22 with 1094 views | pointofblue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:01 - Jan 22 by Ryorry |
Bloodyell, that's horrendous, must admit I'm more than a bit shocked. |
The issue is, if we struggle or go down a goal against Morecambe on Tuesday, Portman Road is going to be similar. It’s completely right to say the fans need to support the players through the slump but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:06 - Jan 22 with 1088 views | jasondozzell |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:01 - Jan 22 by Ryorry |
Bloodyell, that's horrendous, must admit I'm more than a bit shocked. |
Yes, not nice to see at all. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:06 - Jan 22 with 1077 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:10 - Jan 22 by Enigma_Blue |
But the way some fans act its like they think of everyone takes the same attitude as them it might actually make a difference.
We can all hope and want success, but why anyone would ever expect success is beyond me. If you go through life expecting things in football or any sport you are going to end up bitterly disappointed most of the time. |
Ipswich fans have been bitterly disappointed for twenty years and it’s not because of some ridiculous expectation. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:12 - Jan 22 with 1052 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:48 - Jan 22 by Steve_M |
There was a lot of entitlement in the stand yesterday, ugly and unpleasant. I liked some aspects of us being sh1t as these cu nts didn't decide to come along to away matches.
We were crap on the pitch yesterday but that wasn't the only reason why it was a miserable game. |
Hmm that’s fair. I don’t see it myself but you of course go to many more games than me. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:24 - Jan 22 with 1021 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:06 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
Ipswich fans have been bitterly disappointed for twenty years and it’s not because of some ridiculous expectation. |
Yes and we might end up bitterly disappointed for another 20 years. We have no control over these things. You support the club no matter what that's what fans do. Even if we end up going out of the football league, I wouldn't be happy about it but I would still support the club and wouldn't think I had been hard done by. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 13:30]
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:26 - Jan 22 with 1002 views | Steve_M |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:12 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
Hmm that’s fair. I don’t see it myself but you of course go to many more games than me. |
I think in general then the majority of Town fans are reasonably realistic but there's definitely an undercurrent of entitlement around at the moment from some. Some of it's personality but I do wonder how much comes from those who've come back to watching Town matches over the last couple of years rather than those of us who've seen a lot - see also 2001-02, Keane taking over, the season after the play-off one for Mick - there was definitely some entitled unpleasantness in all of those periods, very quick to jump on small mistakes.
Yesterday was a bit different in a worse way, just quite a bit of real aggression around during the game, let alone after the result. I've seen enough crap defeats over the years to think it was more than just a standard reaction from Town fans. I really didn't like it at all. | |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:28 - Jan 22 with 989 views | Stewart27 |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:31 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
The owners have allowed the ceo to spend millions to help the manager get us promoted.
It's not entitlement to expect promotion, t's just how it is.itd why he was employed and he's been given all the tools to do the job.
He failed to finish in the play offs last season.
We were on our way this season but have messed it up. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:41]
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It’s complete entitlement. What on earth are you going on about?
I feel really sorry for you and anybody who thinks like this.
He failed to finish in the play offs last season!!!!! WOW!! Of all your comments, this is up there with the worst of them. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:28 - Jan 22 with 985 views | patrickswell |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:24 - Jan 22 by pointofblue |
Five year old tantrum time - why is it always us? We get a rich owner in in the late 00s and screw it up when we have the financial advantage. We get rich owners in the early 20s and go from cruising the division to being cut adrift from the automatic promotion places. Just once, can something go right for us? For once, can things fall into place and we be the team that dominates and churns out results rather than fall meekly away?
Sod it.
/Five year old tantrum over
(Yes, I am fully aware the above is a perfect example of entitlement) |
I suspect all of us have internally done a variation of this speech over the years. |  | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:31 - Jan 22 with 957 views | Stewart27 |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 10:55 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
28000 people and 3000 yesterday did that. It didn't make a difference. And sitting on here pretending all is OK isn't gonna win points. |
You staying at home and moaning isn’t going to win points either.
In fact it’s for the greater good that you don’t attend games. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:32 - Jan 22 with 956 views | blueislander |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:06 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
Ipswich fans have been bitterly disappointed for twenty years and it’s not because of some ridiculous expectation. |
But that sort of behaviour by Town fans is not very common is it? | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:35 - Jan 22 with 933 views | Stewart27 |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 12:09 - Jan 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm of the same view that no matter what is said on here has Any effect on what goes on out on the pitch. But people keep piping up with keep positive, they need our support etc. They are getting it. So people need to stop trying to preach about positive thoughts online which have 0 effect on the pitch. |
The royal we.
Please enlighten me as to how you support the club. | | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:41 - Jan 22 with 905 views | chicoazul |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:26 - Jan 22 by Steve_M |
I think in general then the majority of Town fans are reasonably realistic but there's definitely an undercurrent of entitlement around at the moment from some. Some of it's personality but I do wonder how much comes from those who've come back to watching Town matches over the last couple of years rather than those of us who've seen a lot - see also 2001-02, Keane taking over, the season after the play-off one for Mick - there was definitely some entitled unpleasantness in all of those periods, very quick to jump on small mistakes.
Yesterday was a bit different in a worse way, just quite a bit of real aggression around during the game, let alone after the result. I've seen enough crap defeats over the years to think it was more than just a standard reaction from Town fans. I really didn't like it at all. |
All the more reason to further criminalise cocaine use! Absolutely right about the attitudes of some during the early Banter Era. I guess I need to go to a couple away games now. | |
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| Great post…. Yes we’ve spent serious money, but does that entitle us to be†on 13:42 - Jan 22 with 896 views | unstableblue |
… better than Plymouth and Sheff Weds?
Sheff Weds have a better squad, strong defence, real finishers.
Plymouth have been building a project since their director of football came in as a consultant (as I keep saying) and have had the continuity of Schumacher from assistant manager to manager. And superb market business including loans.
McKenna has only managed 58 games, and has very good stats. But he’s still green and for example has never managed through a difficult spell of form, you could also say after this window he’s probably only got the team he’s demanding.
In short it’s early days… we don’t have a given right to better than Plymouth and Sheff Weds… but the trajectory on and off the field is in the right direction.
We just need to build some momentum into the end of the season.
If we hadn’t had the Boxing Day and Rotherham performances I think I’d be feeling quite different.
Tuesday is a good chance.
But the “if we don’t get automatic this time round it’s a massive failure” without considering the form of the other teams, and the stage of our project, is a little simplistic |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:43 - Jan 22 with 882 views | itfcsuth |
Brilliant post!
If I could up vote multiple times I would.
Share the exact same feelings word for word. |  | | |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:45 - Jan 22 with 853 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:28 - Jan 22 by Stewart27 |
It’s complete entitlement. What on earth are you going on about?
I feel really sorry for you and anybody who thinks like this.
He failed to finish in the play offs last season!!!!! WOW!! Of all your comments, this is up there with the worst of them. |
How is it entitlement. Not one person has said no other side Is entitled to go up.
However the manager has been backed financially better than any other manager in this league. He has one of the biggest staffing groups ontop of that and has been given everything he's asked for. That doesn't mean we are the only club entitled to be promoted because of that, howler, with the resources given you would expect us to be able to win enough games to get promoted. |  |
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| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:49 - Jan 22 with 808 views | Ryorry |
| Too much expectation and entitlement on 13:26 - Jan 22 by Steve_M |
I think in general then the majority of Town fans are reasonably realistic but there's definitely an undercurrent of entitlement around at the moment from some. Some of it's personality but I do wonder how much comes from those who've come back to watching Town matches over the last couple of years rather than those of us who've seen a lot - see also 2001-02, Keane taking over, the season after the play-off one for Mick - there was definitely some entitled unpleasantness in all of those periods, very quick to jump on small mistakes.
Yesterday was a bit different in a worse way, just quite a bit of real aggression around during the game, let alone after the result. I've seen enough crap defeats over the years to think it was more than just a standard reaction from Town fans. I really didn't like it at all. |
R5l commentator just been on saying v. similar about City fans post Pep's message to them; & a sense of entitlement being a UK thing generally these days. | |
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