| HS2 might not make it to Euston now 09:26 - Jan 27 with 2524 views | ElderGrizzly |
Change in the suburbs to the Elizabeth Line for central London. And it will still cost £50bn+
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:34 - Jan 27 with 2467 views | Keno |
When you say someone do you mean a Tory, a Tory family member or a friend of a Tory? |  |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:38 - Jan 27 with 2452 views | Steve_M |
Whilst it would be typical of this government to spend billions on infrastructure and achieve nothing (and cutting the northern parts of HS2 are equally short-sighted) the sources of the story do suggest that this isn't what is actually happening.
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/will-hs2-be-cut-back-from-central-london-60
Gilligan has such a good reputation for probity. |  |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:46 - Jan 27 with 2411 views | blueasfook |
It'll end up just a little bit of High speed rail between Watford and Millton Keynes or something. Absolute joke of a project. Either do it in full or dont do it at all. [Post edited 27 Jan 2023 9:46]
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:54 - Jan 27 with 2333 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
The whole thing is completely banana republic. There must be some serious personal enrichment occurring as no matter how badly the project is going it won’t go away
-destruction of ancient woodland habitats
-multitudes over budget
-declining rail passengers due to COVID and rise of remote working
Utter farce and criminal waste of money. |  | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:58 - Jan 27 with 2325 views | Pinewoodblue |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:46 - Jan 27 by blueasfook |
It'll end up just a little bit of High speed rail between Watford and Millton Keynes or something. Absolute joke of a project. Either do it in full or dont do it at all. [Post edited 27 Jan 2023 9:46]
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Geography not your strong point. Neither Watford, not Milton Keynes, could be described as being as a suburb in west London. |  |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 10:06 - Jan 27 with 2303 views | blueasfook |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:58 - Jan 27 by Pinewoodblue |
Geography not your strong point. Neither Watford, not Milton Keynes, could be described as being as a suburb in west London. |
It was just an example. I actually got a Grade B in Geography.
Ask me anything about cocoa farming in Ghana. | |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 10:07 - Jan 27 with 2296 views | ElderGrizzly |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:38 - Jan 27 by Steve_M |
Whilst it would be typical of this government to spend billions on infrastructure and achieve nothing (and cutting the northern parts of HS2 are equally short-sighted) the sources of the story do suggest that this isn't what is actually happening.
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/will-hs2-be-cut-back-from-central-london-60
Gilligan has such a good reputation for probity. |
The fact the Govt won’t deny the story when they deny the bloody obvious normally does seem a concern. | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 10:40 - Jan 27 with 2193 views | stonojnr |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:38 - Jan 27 by Steve_M |
Whilst it would be typical of this government to spend billions on infrastructure and achieve nothing (and cutting the northern parts of HS2 are equally short-sighted) the sources of the story do suggest that this isn't what is actually happening.
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/will-hs2-be-cut-back-from-central-london-60
Gilligan has such a good reputation for probity. |
actually he does, but he frequently gets misquoted because he's a name people recognise.
This being a prime example, the Sun arent quoting him as a government source,, ex government source or even an insider with any knowledge of what the DfT are now thinking source, they are just quoting that a report by the Policy Exchange think-tank that he wrote suggests cancelling HS2.
think tanks write reports all the time, thats their purpose, they often promote the ideas that are unthinkable and lobby government to enact them and rarely succeed.
will Euston be delayed due to cost overruns, almost certainly will it be cancelled, no chance, Network Rail alone expect to earn many millions just from rents at shops they build at the new Euston station, the price of land in central London and development alone means theyll build the new station, simply to make money from it because they got it cheap by compulsory purchasing it for a government backed infrastructure project. | | | |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 10:55 - Jan 27 with 2160 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Thé réal scandal is that it doesn’t actually go to Brum - just the outskirts. And it won’t connect thé the rest of the impressive HS network from St Pancras to Foreignland - which is already limited to 60% capacity by Brexit constraints. | |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:02 - Jan 27 with 2073 views | Freddies_Ears |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 10:55 - Jan 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Thé réal scandal is that it doesn’t actually go to Brum - just the outskirts. And it won’t connect thé the rest of the impressive HS network from St Pancras to Foreignland - which is already limited to 60% capacity by Brexit constraints. |
I am sure I read that there are more miles of high speed line in Morocco than the UK... Typing this at around 300kph as I whizz fm Paris to Geneva, £59 sgl, first class.
Perhaps the worst thing about HS2 at Euston was the loss of the Bree Louise pub. So good, you actually wanted your train to be delayed. | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:06 - Jan 27 with 2033 views | brazil1982 |
My Partner is one of many consultants on this project and she isn't surprised (heard about it weeks ago). She is doubtful it will ever reach Manchester too. |  | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:23 - Jan 27 with 1978 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:02 - Jan 27 by Freddies_Ears |
I am sure I read that there are more miles of high speed line in Morocco than the UK... Typing this at around 300kph as I whizz fm Paris to Geneva, £59 sgl, first class.
Perhaps the worst thing about HS2 at Euston was the loss of the Bree Louise pub. So good, you actually wanted your train to be delayed. |
That’s probably correct but England is a small country, I’m not sure (journeys to the continent aside ) we even need high speed trains. An affordable, moderately functional conventional network would be a start…
I only ever use the trains for commuting, it’s always cheaper to drive. Much like the current furore with the Eurostar and drop in passengers can’t help but feel the underlying reason is it’s usually much cheaper to fly. | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:28 - Jan 27 with 1950 views | leitrimblue |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 09:34 - Jan 27 by Keno |
When you say someone do you mean a Tory, a Tory family member or a friend of a Tory? |
I hear rumours that 1 or 2 archaeological consultants may have made a few quid...  |  | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:29 - Jan 27 with 1945 views | HARRY10 |
A huge white elephant that is already pretty much obselete. Train companies are now advertising cut price offers as the volume of travellers is down.
The way forward is for data to be moved to people, not the other way round. This is already happening, yet we are supposed to assume that progress in this area will not change for another decade.The finishing dates constantly get shoved back as do the costs rise.
Meanwhile what is needed now, the trans penine line, is failing badly, with "Trains across the North of England are less reliable than in war-torn Ukraine, new analysis suggests."
But this is not new, it is the Tory mantra. Services that are needed to run a successful economy are cut to the bone - then they wonder why stuff is basically sh it.
Remove nurses bursaries and wonder why there is a shortage. Cut wages and wonder why there is a strike.
the idea being that as the private sector can do it cheaper then use them. Only problem there is that money that was once used to make that service work is now leeched out in shareholder dividends and executive bonuses - see privatised water
From what I can gather the ultimate contract is with some US firm. Until we have full clarity on this we will not know why something that belomngs in the 20th century is being built now. | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:38 - Jan 27 with 1927 views | DanTheMan |
Jeremy Hunt saying it will reach London.
Of course, he probably knows he won't be in charge by the time the decision has to be made on this so a very easy promise to make now. |  |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 12:46 - Jan 27 with 1812 views | HARRY10 |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:38 - Jan 27 by DanTheMan |
Jeremy Hunt saying it will reach London.
Of course, he probably knows he won't be in charge by the time the decision has to be made on this so a very easy promise to make now. |
As a measure of it's obselecence Hunt stated that Japan opened its first high speed train in 1974 - 2 years before he was born.
France and eksewhere have had theirs stuff running for decades, yet here we have, in a fast changing society (work/movement of gods) this buffoon continuing something that will not be ready until 2033, at the earliest And given the delays it is likely you can add a few more years to that.
Online shopping and video conferencing are going to stand still until then. And then remain as they are now so as to repay the cost.......for a couple of decades ?
Utter nonsense !
As to Hunts guff about this idiocy running into Euston, he does not say when.
For those who think the pace of change can be ignored I suggest you have a look at the redindant sites that were to be big out of town supermarkets. Shopping has changed with the increase of much small shps carrying a much smaller ranger of goods and located inside towns cities (Aldi/Lidl). The rise in home deliveries. is another sign how things have changed vastly in a few years.
This will be cancelled at some point, I suspect Hunt and others know they will be out of office sooner rather than later so are happy to have the next government deal with it. | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 13:05 - Jan 27 with 1758 views | giant_stow |
If it doesn't reach Euston, what will they do with that whole area around there which has been flattened? |  |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 13:09 - Jan 27 with 1744 views | blueasfook |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:06 - Jan 27 by brazil1982 |
My Partner is one of many consultants on this project and she isn't surprised (heard about it weeks ago). She is doubtful it will ever reach Manchester too. |
I am doubtful it will ever reach anywhere! I expect the next govt will just abandon the project. | |
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| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 13:29 - Jan 27 with 1697 views | ElderGrizzly |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 13:05 - Jan 27 by giant_stow |
If it doesn't reach Euston, what will they do with that whole area around there which has been flattened? |
Very expensive apartments I assume | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 13:29 - Jan 27 with 1694 views | ElderGrizzly |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 12:46 - Jan 27 by HARRY10 |
As a measure of it's obselecence Hunt stated that Japan opened its first high speed train in 1974 - 2 years before he was born.
France and eksewhere have had theirs stuff running for decades, yet here we have, in a fast changing society (work/movement of gods) this buffoon continuing something that will not be ready until 2033, at the earliest And given the delays it is likely you can add a few more years to that.
Online shopping and video conferencing are going to stand still until then. And then remain as they are now so as to repay the cost.......for a couple of decades ?
Utter nonsense !
As to Hunts guff about this idiocy running into Euston, he does not say when.
For those who think the pace of change can be ignored I suggest you have a look at the redindant sites that were to be big out of town supermarkets. Shopping has changed with the increase of much small shps carrying a much smaller ranger of goods and located inside towns cities (Aldi/Lidl). The rise in home deliveries. is another sign how things have changed vastly in a few years.
This will be cancelled at some point, I suspect Hunt and others know they will be out of office sooner rather than later so are happy to have the next government deal with it. |
Hunt was born in 1966, not 76 | | | |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 14:20 - Jan 27 with 1566 views | Keno |
| HS2 might not make it to Euston now on 11:28 - Jan 27 by leitrimblue |
I hear rumours that 1 or 2 archaeological consultants may have made a few quid... |
You just had to dig up that old accusation didn’t you | |
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