| Constant changes driving me mad 07:52 - Feb 15 with 5059 views | onceablue |
3-4 changes to the side every match it’s ridiculous that’s Kids football
Not only that McKenna then regularly makes at least 3 subs every match as well
Pick what you think is your best 11 and stick to it
If the players who are left out don’t like it tough
Do Plymouth, Wednesday, Derby make these amount of changes cause they don’t and that’s why there are able to put a decent run of results together
They also have experienced managers which helps.
We seriously have a chance of missing out on playoffs which I am sorry but this would rank as one of the biggest failures in the last 20 years |  | | |  |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:48 - Feb 15 with 980 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:20 - Feb 15 by Herbivore |
Why has it become a problem now when it hasn't been for most of McKenna's tenure? |
Maybe due to further additions to the squad, exacerbating the problem.
Its also easy to keep a big squad happy when you are winning.
i.e. dropping Ladapo after a good performance wouldnt go down well with him. |  |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:52 - Feb 15 with 956 views | Herbivore |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:48 - Feb 15 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Maybe due to further additions to the squad, exacerbating the problem.
Its also easy to keep a big squad happy when you are winning.
i.e. dropping Ladapo after a good performance wouldnt go down well with him. |
I don't think that really explains why rotation is suddenly the cause of our poor performances though. You're saying it's a problem because we aren't winning but there's nothing to suggest it's the reason we're not winning. |  |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:58 - Feb 15 with 942 views | Ryorry |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 09:05 - Feb 15 by hype313 |
Agreed, but I do find it a bit of a head scratcher when he leaves Chaplin on the bench, our top scorer, and 3 heavily funded January signings sat there.
To play Aluko who hasn't even been in the 18 for a long period and has been in the stands doing analytics. |
Much as I love Aluko, I was very surprised he started last night (although I suppose worth KM trying something different in the circumstances).
But to me, Sone's just not the fiery kind of attacker you need to get things going & score the first goal - see him more as someone to bring on when we already have a goal lead & want to protect it, plus try to add more. |  |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:00 - Feb 15 with 933 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:52 - Feb 15 by Herbivore |
I don't think that really explains why rotation is suddenly the cause of our poor performances though. You're saying it's a problem because we aren't winning but there's nothing to suggest it's the reason we're not winning. |
What about the type of rotation?
Earlier on. We expected leigh on for Davis. JJ on for Harness etc. It was also working as it just fitted with the flow of the games.
However those subtle changes turned into different lineups of CBs. Various forms of midfielders. Last night we got Clarke randomly going left back. Edwards played 3 roles after coming on etc etc.
Of course injuries play a part so sometimes it can't be helped. |  |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:02 - Feb 15 with 926 views | pointofblue |
This same argument was made when our form took a nosedive under Lambert, after rotation worked to an extent for the first part of the season. | |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:02 - Feb 15 with 925 views | hype313 |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:58 - Feb 15 by Ryorry |
Much as I love Aluko, I was very surprised he started last night (although I suppose worth KM trying something different in the circumstances).
But to me, Sone's just not the fiery kind of attacker you need to get things going & score the first goal - see him more as someone to bring on when we already have a goal lead & want to protect it, plus try to add more. |
He's got a sublime touch, really silky player, but when you look at his attacking stats, they're not great reading. |  |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:07 - Feb 15 with 915 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:52 - Feb 15 by Herbivore |
I don't think that really explains why rotation is suddenly the cause of our poor performances though. You're saying it's a problem because we aren't winning but there's nothing to suggest it's the reason we're not winning. |
I'm saying that rotation can cause unrest (especially with more additions), which can cause disharmony in a team / squad. This impact of this becomes worse when not winning.
There is nothing 'sudden' about our prolonged poor form.
Happy to agree to differ. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 11:08]
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:09 - Feb 15 with 917 views | hype313 |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:07 - Feb 15 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'm saying that rotation can cause unrest (especially with more additions), which can cause disharmony in a team / squad. This impact of this becomes worse when not winning.
There is nothing 'sudden' about our prolonged poor form.
Happy to agree to differ. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 11:08]
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I think the issue with rotation isn't necessarily unrest, but having a settled team means players understand each others patterns of play, they build relationships, the constant changing of our attacking 3 just isn't helping, in my humble opinion. | |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:10 - Feb 15 with 906 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:09 - Feb 15 by hype313 |
I think the issue with rotation isn't necessarily unrest, but having a settled team means players understand each others patterns of play, they build relationships, the constant changing of our attacking 3 just isn't helping, in my humble opinion. |
I agree thats an issue with it too, for sure. | |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:18 - Feb 15 with 902 views | Westcountryblue |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 09:39 - Feb 15 by PhilTWTD |
Why's it kids football? Not sure KMc is doing anything most managers with the wherewithall to make changes don't do these days. |
I think that's true at a higher level e.g having the luxury of resting De Bruyne and playing Mahrez. However, the drop off in quality is much more evident in the lower leagues and there is a reason players like Clarke Harris, Windass, Smith, Whittaker et al play week in, week out.
I really don't think swapping our CB's regularly (a position that requires a good degree of faith and confidence from management) nor rotating the front 3 brings much continuity on the pitch. Broadhead and Chaplin should have started yesterday. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:18 - Feb 15 with 901 views | nshearman1 |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:09 - Feb 15 by hype313 |
I think the issue with rotation isn't necessarily unrest, but having a settled team means players understand each others patterns of play, they build relationships, the constant changing of our attacking 3 just isn't helping, in my humble opinion. |
I think we should recognise that the injury situation has forced a number of changes plus the bringing in of new players seems to have done more to disturb the team than help it, and a number of them have turned into SickNotes. We need a settled back 3 I think and more clarity in attack. It was noticeable last night when Hirst came on he made a number of runs across their back line which simply weren't spotted or not spotted till too late by the attacking midfielders. Against Morecambe we seemed to see a good relationship building between Broadhead and Ladapo, I'd like to see that developed once Broadhead gets over his cramp - can't quite understand why he's suffering from that. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:19 - Feb 15 with 899 views | Westcountryblue |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:02 - Feb 15 by hype313 |
He's got a sublime touch, really silky player, but when you look at his attacking stats, they're not great reading. |
Hasn't scored since last season away at Cambridge. For a 10 playing in a team with top 2 aspirations, that not really an acceptable output. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:22 - Feb 15 with 883 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:18 - Feb 15 by nshearman1 |
I think we should recognise that the injury situation has forced a number of changes plus the bringing in of new players seems to have done more to disturb the team than help it, and a number of them have turned into SickNotes. We need a settled back 3 I think and more clarity in attack. It was noticeable last night when Hirst came on he made a number of runs across their back line which simply weren't spotted or not spotted till too late by the attacking midfielders. Against Morecambe we seemed to see a good relationship building between Broadhead and Ladapo, I'd like to see that developed once Broadhead gets over his cramp - can't quite understand why he's suffering from that. |
Seems like only one of the four changes last night was forced. | |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:24 - Feb 15 with 865 views | nshearman1 |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:22 - Feb 15 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Seems like only one of the four changes last night was forced. |
I'm talking about the last couple of months, and not focussed on injuries alone. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:27 - Feb 15 with 847 views | PhilTWTD |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:18 - Feb 15 by Westcountryblue |
I think that's true at a higher level e.g having the luxury of resting De Bruyne and playing Mahrez. However, the drop off in quality is much more evident in the lower leagues and there is a reason players like Clarke Harris, Windass, Smith, Whittaker et al play week in, week out.
I really don't think swapping our CB's regularly (a position that requires a good degree of faith and confidence from management) nor rotating the front 3 brings much continuity on the pitch. Broadhead and Chaplin should have started yesterday. |
I don't think there's an awful lot between most of our squad and most of our team has been fairly consistent. I don't have too much trouble guessing seven or eight of the team most weeks in the match preview. The centre-halves haven't changed that often. I think a change was made after a disappointing performance and then after the display at Cambridge it was switched back.
I can understand the regular changes up front to keep things fresh, although surprises me more changes haven't been made out wide with Davis and Burns covering more ground than anyone else.
KMc explained why Broadhead wasn't started. They're clearly treating him carefully until he's fully up to speed. |  | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:36 - Feb 15 with 789 views | Westcountryblue |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:27 - Feb 15 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think there's an awful lot between most of our squad and most of our team has been fairly consistent. I don't have too much trouble guessing seven or eight of the team most weeks in the match preview. The centre-halves haven't changed that often. I think a change was made after a disappointing performance and then after the display at Cambridge it was switched back.
I can understand the regular changes up front to keep things fresh, although surprises me more changes haven't been made out wide with Davis and Burns covering more ground than anyone else.
KMc explained why Broadhead wasn't started. They're clearly treating him carefully until he's fully up to speed. |
It would be interesting to see how much the likes of Plymouth and Sheff Wed have chopped around at CB?
Keeping things fresh is important, but this can be done off the bench if we are chasing games or the game is all but over (as was the case at the start of the season). Really not too sure why Morsy played both cup games. He looks very leggy at the moment, something which is impact his ability to get higher up the pitch and contribute goal wise.
Looking at the numbers...
Chaplin (12 goals and 3 assists) vs Aluko (0 goals and 0 assists this season.
Broadhead (6 goals *5 at Championship level and 1 assist) vs Harness (5 goals and 2 assists)
Ladapo (10 goals and 2 assists) vs Hirst (0 goals and 0 assists)
I'd say there is a fair drop of in quality and certainly numbers there. McKenna has to keep things simple and play his best 11. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 11:39]
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:44 - Feb 15 with 762 views | PhilTWTD |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:36 - Feb 15 by Westcountryblue |
It would be interesting to see how much the likes of Plymouth and Sheff Wed have chopped around at CB?
Keeping things fresh is important, but this can be done off the bench if we are chasing games or the game is all but over (as was the case at the start of the season). Really not too sure why Morsy played both cup games. He looks very leggy at the moment, something which is impact his ability to get higher up the pitch and contribute goal wise.
Looking at the numbers...
Chaplin (12 goals and 3 assists) vs Aluko (0 goals and 0 assists this season.
Broadhead (6 goals *5 at Championship level and 1 assist) vs Harness (5 goals and 2 assists)
Ladapo (10 goals and 2 assists) vs Hirst (0 goals and 0 assists)
I'd say there is a fair drop of in quality and certainly numbers there. McKenna has to keep things simple and play his best 11. [Post edited 15 Feb 2023 11:39]
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Think that's a little unfair on Hirst in particular, he's not been here long following a spell with Blackburn where he wasn't playing. Think he'll go on to be a significantly better player than Ladapo and we've seen signs of that already, and he has scored, of course, albeit in a cup.
Chaplin v Aluko is comparing apples with oranges in that they bring different things to the team, even if I'm sure SA will feel he should have registered higher on each metric. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:45 - Feb 15 with 750 views | bobbyramsey |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 10:20 - Feb 15 by Herbivore |
Why has it become a problem now when it hasn't been for most of McKenna's tenure? |
Didn’t we have problems at the back end of last season? |  | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:52 - Feb 15 with 711 views | Westcountryblue |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:44 - Feb 15 by PhilTWTD |
Think that's a little unfair on Hirst in particular, he's not been here long following a spell with Blackburn where he wasn't playing. Think he'll go on to be a significantly better player than Ladapo and we've seen signs of that already, and he has scored, of course, albeit in a cup.
Chaplin v Aluko is comparing apples with oranges in that they bring different things to the team, even if I'm sure SA will feel he should have registered higher on each metric. |
I think the jury is very much out on Hirst. A relatively good spell at Portsmouth aside (after a baron first half of the season there) and he has struggled for goals at all clubs he has been at. Yet to hit the back of the net in 6 games for us. As a project, perhaps. However, his remit in January was to come in and start finding the back of the net from the get go. Freddie has a proven track record at this level with several promotions under his belt.
What does Aluko bring to the table ? I like his ball retention and decision making in deeper areas of the pitch. However, in terms of 'effective and impactful football' I fail to see what he brings. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:58 - Feb 15 with 690 views | PhilTWTD |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:52 - Feb 15 by Westcountryblue |
I think the jury is very much out on Hirst. A relatively good spell at Portsmouth aside (after a baron first half of the season there) and he has struggled for goals at all clubs he has been at. Yet to hit the back of the net in 6 games for us. As a project, perhaps. However, his remit in January was to come in and start finding the back of the net from the get go. Freddie has a proven track record at this level with several promotions under his belt.
What does Aluko bring to the table ? I like his ball retention and decision making in deeper areas of the pitch. However, in terms of 'effective and impactful football' I fail to see what he brings. |
Hirst's cup goal came from Aluko's good work in deeper areas. I'm still to be convinced by Ladapo, despite him having scored a fair number of goals now. I'm not sure he suits this team and think we've needed a number nine more suited to our approach, which is why there was the interest in Will Keane in the summer and Hirst was brought in in January. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:07 - Feb 15 with 662 views | Westcountryblue |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:58 - Feb 15 by PhilTWTD |
Hirst's cup goal came from Aluko's good work in deeper areas. I'm still to be convinced by Ladapo, despite him having scored a fair number of goals now. I'm not sure he suits this team and think we've needed a number nine more suited to our approach, which is why there was the interest in Will Keane in the summer and Hirst was brought in in January. |
Over the long term perhaps. However, Ladapo was player of the month in January and rightly so, as he was excellent. For me, i think Broadhead, Chaplin and Ladapo is the way forward and what we should stick with over the remaining games, but we'll agree to disagree :).
Very surprised neither El Miz or Harper were recalled in January with Camara and Ball out long term. That look's the bigger oversight currently. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:22 - Feb 15 with 627 views | nshearman1 |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:07 - Feb 15 by Westcountryblue |
Over the long term perhaps. However, Ladapo was player of the month in January and rightly so, as he was excellent. For me, i think Broadhead, Chaplin and Ladapo is the way forward and what we should stick with over the remaining games, but we'll agree to disagree :).
Very surprised neither El Miz or Harper were recalled in January with Camara and Ball out long term. That look's the bigger oversight currently. |
Agree that the other big worry is midfield - has Evans got a serious long-term injury? Without him Morsy is having to work hard to cover Humphreys' lack of physical strength in a very physical League. I don't think either El Miz or Harper would fix it. The injuries to Camara and Ball have undoubtedly affected any kind of plan for midfield. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:33 - Feb 15 with 612 views | hype313 |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 11:58 - Feb 15 by PhilTWTD |
Hirst's cup goal came from Aluko's good work in deeper areas. I'm still to be convinced by Ladapo, despite him having scored a fair number of goals now. I'm not sure he suits this team and think we've needed a number nine more suited to our approach, which is why there was the interest in Will Keane in the summer and Hirst was brought in in January. |
Hirst has the higher ceiling, but right now Ladapo is the in form guy and I find Ladapo starting with Hirst on the bench a better option than the other way around.
Early days I appreciate, but I'm yet to be be convinced Hirst is a £3-4m player. | |
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| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:34 - Feb 15 with 613 views | PhilTWTD |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:07 - Feb 15 by Westcountryblue |
Over the long term perhaps. However, Ladapo was player of the month in January and rightly so, as he was excellent. For me, i think Broadhead, Chaplin and Ladapo is the way forward and what we should stick with over the remaining games, but we'll agree to disagree :).
Very surprised neither El Miz or Harper were recalled in January with Camara and Ball out long term. That look's the bigger oversight currently. |
I'd have liked to have seen Idris return, but not sure of the deal there. Luongo seems likely to be OK Saturday and he should be more than good enough to have an impact on the team. Ball expects to be back next month which will reduce the pressure on those currently fit. | | | |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:35 - Feb 15 with 607 views | PhilTWTD |
| Constant changes driving me mad on 12:33 - Feb 15 by hype313 |
Hirst has the higher ceiling, but right now Ladapo is the in form guy and I find Ladapo starting with Hirst on the bench a better option than the other way around.
Early days I appreciate, but I'm yet to be be convinced Hirst is a £3-4m player. |
Was disappointing last night though. He had a decent January certainly. | | | |
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