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Well, the snippets that are being posted on BBC News app (all that I can get here in Northern Chile.) I want the Union to remain but there was no getting away from the excellent job she did during the pandemic and this morning I feel we have lost a good politician. Not that I expect to hear nothing from her in future but, like Jacinta Arden, I think if she says her home life was suffering she meant it. Time for us all to realise that when decent people get into a position of power it is reasonable for us citizens to treat them decently.
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:04 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
But she was good on telly.
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I don't know if you have noticed but television is a powerful form of mass communication. So being good on telly is important in times of crisis.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:04 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
But she was good on telly.
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There was a lot of going over this at the time if I remember rightly. Wasn't there a large element of having to follow the Westminster line due to the dominance of the political 'discussion' by westminster politics setting people's behaviour? We had minor divergences here in Wales, but they couldn't do anything significant - they couldn't prevent in-travel across the porous border, etc. People were taking their cues from reporting from Westminster and Welsh governments.
Similar with funding - although the devolved governments in theory have revenue raising powers, it would be political suicide to use them when Westminster would use tax raises, for example, against them. Westminster has no such issues - it could borrow largely with impunity to put support in place. Wales (and I presume Scotland) was much more constrained in what it could do (this is also an issue with comparisons of the NHS across the nations).
As a whole, the UK handled things very badly at times. The main area the devolved parliaments seemed to get right was the communication. Not that it made a huge difference to the outcomes.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:12 - Feb 15 by WeWereZombies
I don't know if you have noticed but television is a powerful form of mass communication. So being good on telly is important in times of crisis.
Yes, I said she was an excellent communicator during the pandemic. Then again, Hitler was an excellent communicator (no I’m nit comparing the two). But she did nothing any different to the Uk government and ended up with the highest rate of deaths in UK care homes.
So I won’t be shedding a tear over her based on her ability to talk.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:04 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
But she was good on telly.
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She's not perfect but at least she took the matter seriously, unlike that lovable Brexiteer Johnson.
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I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:24 - Feb 15 with 2064 views
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:21 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
Yes, I said she was an excellent communicator during the pandemic. Then again, Hitler was an excellent communicator (no I’m nit comparing the two). But she did nothing any different to the Uk government and ended up with the highest rate of deaths in UK care homes.
So I won’t be shedding a tear over her based on her ability to talk.
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That's a very distasteful remark which is surprising given what you've said on certain issues on this forum.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:21 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
Yes, I said she was an excellent communicator during the pandemic. Then again, Hitler was an excellent communicator (no I’m nit comparing the two). But she did nothing any different to the Uk government and ended up with the highest rate of deaths in UK care homes.
So I won’t be shedding a tear over her based on her ability to talk.
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Not the best comparison, even if made in good faith.
But moving on, what's the timeline with the Scottish Covid enquiry? I'd imagine that's going to be pretty damning on the care home issue at least.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:25 - Feb 15 by DJR
That's a very distasteful remark which is surprising given what you've said on certain issues on this forum.
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Hitler was an excellent communicator. That is a statement of fact. Enoch Powell was a great orator. Statement of fact. Farage communicates his message very well to his base. Fact.
I made it clear that I wasn’t comparing Hitler to Sturgeon. Merely that being a great communicator does not make one a great politician.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:43 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
Hitler was an excellent communicator. That is a statement of fact. Enoch Powell was a great orator. Statement of fact. Farage communicates his message very well to his base. Fact.
I made it clear that I wasn’t comparing Hitler to Sturgeon. Merely that being a great communicator does not make one a great politician.
I don't think that is any excuse at all. You, of all people, should know that comparisons involving Hitler or the Nazis should not be banded about for cheap political points.
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I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:54 - Feb 15 with 1961 views
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:48 - Feb 15 by DJR
I don't think that is any excuse at all. You, of all people, should know that comparisons involving Hitler or the Nazis should not be banded about for cheap political points.
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I shouldn't worry about it too much, it's just Glassers being Glassers. Regulars on this forum can see right through it.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:48 - Feb 15 by DJR
I don't think that is any excuse at all. You, of all people, should know that comparisons involving Hitler or the Nazis should not be banded about for cheap political points.
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Nit having that at all. Sorry. You’re trying to make mischief where none exists.
I put in my op that I was not comparing the two people. Do you deny that Hitler was an excellent communicator? Yes or no?
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 13:21 - Feb 15 by DJR
Personally, I wouldn't give him any praise at all.
As far as I am concerned, every aspect of him was evil.
And for that reason, if nothing else, comparing British politicians to Hitler is not the way to properly argue any point.
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I DID NOT COMPARE ANYONE TO HITLER. MY OP SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT I WAS NIT COMPARING NICOLA STURGEON TO HITLER. SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS BUT YOU ARE NOT READING WHAT I POSTED AND THOUGHT THIS MAY HELP YOUR VISION.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 13:39 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
I DID NOT COMPARE ANYONE TO HITLER. MY OP SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT I WAS NIT COMPARING NICOLA STURGEON TO HITLER. SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS BUT YOU ARE NOT READING WHAT I POSTED AND THOUGHT THIS MAY HELP YOUR VISION.
But why mention Hitler at all then, particularly in a post about Sturgeon?
And you can capitalise all you want, but nothing you will say will convince me that what you did was an appropriate thing to say in a reasoned debate.
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I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 14:11 - Feb 15 with 1751 views
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 14:00 - Feb 15 by DJR
But why mention Hitler at all then, particularly in a post about Sturgeon?
And you can capitalise all you want, but nothing you will say will convince me that what you did was an appropriate thing to say in a reasoned debate.
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I agree. There are numerous examples of politicians being great orators. Using Hitler, as an example is in bad taste unless the post related to his rise to power etc - which it does not.
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I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:04 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
But she was good on telly.
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What you say about care homes merely parrots what was said in the anti-SNP Scottish media.
Covid deaths in cares homes early on in the pandemic were often not recorded as such on the death certificate. Indeed, I think I remember seeing something in Private Eye early on which suggested that doctors in England were encouraged not to include covid on the death certificate.
The impression I got from comparing death certificate figures more generally was that Scotland had a higher proportion of death certificates with Covid mentioned than England, although deaths within 28 days of a test were in fact less. This I put down to Scotland have a better public health system, which was based on local authority areas, as well as its system being more thorough.
Given the under-reporting on death certificates especially in England, a much better comparator on care home deaths (as well as Covid deaths more generally) is excess deaths, and on this even the Tory Telegraph reported that the rate of Covid deaths was higher in England than the rest of the UK.
The article is paywalled but the opening lines says "Covid deaths in English care homes during lockdown were nearly a fifth worse than those in Scotland, new research suggests", so I don't think what you claim stands up to scientific scrutiny.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:04 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
But she was good on telly.
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There was divergence on lockdowns between Scotland and England during the pandemic, Scotland certainly introduced some restrictions sooner and slackened later at different points during the pandemic. Mask wearing continued longer in Scotland as well.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 13:39 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
I DID NOT COMPARE ANYONE TO HITLER. MY OP SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT I WAS NIT COMPARING NICOLA STURGEON TO HITLER. SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS BUT YOU ARE NOT READING WHAT I POSTED AND THOUGHT THIS MAY HELP YOUR VISION.
You're not comparing them, except for the bit where you very clearly compared them. Even if it's just in terms of the effectiveness of their communication you know full well what you're doing. It's transparent as fook.
I will admit to shedding a tear or two reading Nicola's speech on 12:04 - Feb 15 by GlasgowBlue
She communicated far better than Johnson during the pandemic but did she do that was excellent? She emptied the hospitals into care homes as did the UK government and Scotland had a higher death rate in care homes than any other part of the UK. She also pretty much followed the same pattern of lockdowns as the rest of the UK.
But she was good on telly.
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Failed to deliver on many promises too. People need to read the SNP manifesto and what they said they would achieve.
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