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in the SNP leadership election.
Following on from Humza Yousaf saying that although a proud Muslim, he would never use his faith “as a basis of legislation” and then bering found to have "missed" the vote on gay marriage, Kate Forbes campaigning as if she was in the Bible belt trying to be elected as the Republican Presidential candidate, we now have 'the unity candidate's' chief advisor saying that Nicola Sturgeon was ‘up to her dark eyes’ in a ‘coverup’.
Independence? You're having a laugh. [Post edited 23 Feb 2023 18:31]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 16:56 - Feb 24 by J2BLUE |
I don't think society is saying anything but if enough people are put off by the words/actions of someone who openly admits their religion makes them believe things which go against mainstream opinion they just naturally won't be elected. |
A new twist to the story.
Former SNP Health Secretary Alex Neil has claimed that Humza Yousaf asked for permission to miss the 2014 vote on the gay marriage bill due to being “under so much pressure from the mosque”. Alleged government business was arranged as an excuse.
If true, this really should disqualify him from the leadership. Whether people agree with Kate Forbes or not, as you said earlier, she's at least been honest about her views. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 17:31]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 16:39 - Feb 24 by Zapers |
Why, just why out of interest? I wasn’t involved with Brexit because I’m not living in the UK, and am unlikely to in the future. However I would have voted to stay. Why are you and others still whining? If you believe in democracy, I’m afraid you have to accept the majority vote, think that’s how it works;) |
I'm a democrat and accepted the vote. I also think it was wrong to seek a second referendum. Instead, I think the emphasis should have been on getting the best Brexit deal possible, which was on the cards when Theresa May had a series of free votes. But hopes of a soft Brexit were scuppered by the Lib Dems.
As it turns out, the tactics of many Remainers were wrong because we've ended up with virtually the hardest Brexit possible, and with Labour terrified of even mentioning the word.
I might add, though, that despite the narrative, it wasn't Remainers who made Brexit drag on, instead it was the ERG who weren't prepared to vote for May's deal.
The only point I was making is that I have presumably missed several years of GB's truculent pro-Brexit comments, which would have been a waste of my time, given I believe he has changed his mind on Brexit. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 17:18]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 16:39 - Feb 24 by Zapers |
Why, just why out of interest? I wasn’t involved with Brexit because I’m not living in the UK, and am unlikely to in the future. However I would have voted to stay. Why are you and others still whining? If you believe in democracy, I’m afraid you have to accept the majority vote, think that’s how it works;) |
Issues in a democracy doesn’t have a shelf-life, issues just don’t get forgotten. If something is going badly then people have a right to say so. If ‘remain’ had won the brexiteers who used the ‘respect the vote’ line would have been banging the anti-EU drum and demanding a new vote. If Brexit had been a huge success then some posters on here would be mentioning how right they have been.
Brexit has, to date been bad for the economy, and so people have the democratic right to highlight that. Think that how democracy works. |  | | |
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If I remember correctly, Yousaf voted in favour of gay marriage as the bill went through Holyrood - he just missed the final vote, but it was acknowledged his vote wasn't required to get it through.
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 18:31 - Feb 24 with 974 views | Geomorph |
it's all relative... rumblings about Johnson returning n all. You've never had it so good :) |  | | |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:01 - Feb 24 with 867 views | HARRY10 |
| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 16:39 - Feb 24 by Zapers |
Why, just why out of interest? I wasn’t involved with Brexit because I’m not living in the UK, and am unlikely to in the future. However I would have voted to stay. Why are you and others still whining? If you believe in democracy, I’m afraid you have to accept the majority vote, think that’s how it works;) |
eh ?
The 9endless) r/whining is coming from various thickos who now don't like what they voted for. Be it farmers, fishermen, red wallers or politicians.
And the irony of right MPs stamping their little feet over the problems being caused by an agreement negotiated and signed by their hero, the bloated buffoon, will not be lost on most. Some may also recall how this gaggle of empty headed windbags threatened to throw their toys out of the pram and trigger Article 16.
Whilst it was a majority vote in Parliament, that is where the decision on what was only ever an advisory vote took place, we also have trial by jury. Where an appeal can be held when there is evidence of a mistrial or new evidence. However, given how things are going there will be no need to put any vote to the current Parliament as this ragbag of fraudsters, sex offenders and serial incompetents will be out sooner father than later.
Not before a bit more hypocrisy though, as these righties are now demanding that Parliament has a say in this latest bit of dismantling of brexit. Something they didn't seem to keen on when they were proroguing Parliament, and requiring another cornerstone of our democracy (judiciary) to enforce the right of Parliament to have a say.
Once they have been removed I suspect the movement back into the EU will increase, with a small rump of backward looking bigots unable to block democracy as before. It will be a coming together of progressive thinking.... Lab, LimDems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, SDLP to open up the UK again, set the people free. Free to travel, work and trade without the endless pettyfogging brexit rules, delays and costs.
However, I don't doubt there will still be the brexiter whining, long after. By those similar to the folk bemoaning the death of Stalin, Peron and Franco who are still set against an open society run on democratic lines. They will hanker for the days when 'their betters' were in charge., and will tell each other tales of how they were 'stabbed in the back'.
We can't know when we will get our freedom back, but we will that is a certainty. | | | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:01 - Feb 24 by HARRY10 |
eh ?
The 9endless) r/whining is coming from various thickos who now don't like what they voted for. Be it farmers, fishermen, red wallers or politicians.
And the irony of right MPs stamping their little feet over the problems being caused by an agreement negotiated and signed by their hero, the bloated buffoon, will not be lost on most. Some may also recall how this gaggle of empty headed windbags threatened to throw their toys out of the pram and trigger Article 16.
Whilst it was a majority vote in Parliament, that is where the decision on what was only ever an advisory vote took place, we also have trial by jury. Where an appeal can be held when there is evidence of a mistrial or new evidence. However, given how things are going there will be no need to put any vote to the current Parliament as this ragbag of fraudsters, sex offenders and serial incompetents will be out sooner father than later.
Not before a bit more hypocrisy though, as these righties are now demanding that Parliament has a say in this latest bit of dismantling of brexit. Something they didn't seem to keen on when they were proroguing Parliament, and requiring another cornerstone of our democracy (judiciary) to enforce the right of Parliament to have a say.
Once they have been removed I suspect the movement back into the EU will increase, with a small rump of backward looking bigots unable to block democracy as before. It will be a coming together of progressive thinking.... Lab, LimDems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, SDLP to open up the UK again, set the people free. Free to travel, work and trade without the endless pettyfogging brexit rules, delays and costs.
However, I don't doubt there will still be the brexiter whining, long after. By those similar to the folk bemoaning the death of Stalin, Peron and Franco who are still set against an open society run on democratic lines. They will hanker for the days when 'their betters' were in charge., and will tell each other tales of how they were 'stabbed in the back'.
We can't know when we will get our freedom back, but we will that is a certainty. |
Do you know who the first politician to call for article 16 to be triggered was? | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:13 - Feb 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Do you know who the first politician to call for article 16 to be triggered was? |
Perhaps like me he was just a democrat. This from my earlier post.
"I'm a democrat and accepted the vote. I also think it was wrong to seek a second referendum. Instead, I think the emphasis should have been on getting the best Brexit deal possible, which was on the cards when Theresa May had a series of free votes. But hopes of a soft Brexit were scuppered by the Lib Dems.
As it turns out, the tactics of many Remainers were wrong because we've ended up with virtually the hardest Brexit possible, and with Labour terrified of even mentioning the word." | | | |
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I see Daily Express news stories everyday when I open Bing, and I don't think I've every seen one which is actually based on reality.
Instead, the paper twists every story to suit its anti-Labour/SNP/Meghan and Harry/EU/woke agenda. It also has an unhealthy obsession with apocalyptic UK weather forecasts. | | | |
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 20:56 - Feb 24 by DJR |
I see Daily Express news stories everyday when I open Bing, and I don't think I've every seen one which is actually based on reality.
Instead, the paper twists every story to suit its anti-Labour/SNP/Meghan and Harry/EU/woke agenda. It also has an unhealthy obsession with apocalyptic UK weather forecasts. |
From Alex Neil, the SNP minister who steered the legislation through Holyrood.
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From Alex Neil, the SNP minister who steered the legislation through Holyrood.
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Andrew Neil happens to be a supporter of Kate Forbes, so maybe he has an agenda. But surely the main issue here is that Humza Yousaf actually indicated his support by voting for the Bill, albeit not at every stage.
And from lower down in the Daily Express article.
"MSP Joe FitzPatrick, who was minister for parliamentary business at the time, said Mr Yousaf never raised concerns with him about the Bill.
He said: "All arrangements for ministers being handed permission to conduct vital government business during votes in parliament were handled and approved by myself.
"While other ministers did raise concerns about the Bill at the time, Humza wasn't one of them. He gave his full backing to the Bill in its first vote through parliament and he continues to be a staunch ally of the LGBTQ+ community."
But what the whole episode does go to show is that there is some disarray in the SNP, which probably hasn't been helped by the abruptness of Sturgeon's departure. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 21:21]
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Andrew Neil happens to be a supporter of Kate Forbes, so maybe he has an agenda. But surely the main issue here is that Humza Yousaf actually indicated his support by voting for the Bill, albeit not at every stage.
And from lower down in the Daily Express article.
"MSP Joe FitzPatrick, who was minister for parliamentary business at the time, said Mr Yousaf never raised concerns with him about the Bill.
He said: "All arrangements for ministers being handed permission to conduct vital government business during votes in parliament were handled and approved by myself.
"While other ministers did raise concerns about the Bill at the time, Humza wasn't one of them. He gave his full backing to the Bill in its first vote through parliament and he continues to be a staunch ally of the LGBTQ+ community."
But what the whole episode does go to show is that there is some disarray in the SNP, which probably hasn't been helped by the abruptness of Sturgeon's departure. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 21:21]
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So Alex Neil is lying?
What a sh1tshow.
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Another car crash. This time from Ash Regan. If you have 4 minutes to spare, this is embarrassing.
Ash Regan btw, resigned from her ministerial position in protest at the Scottish Government’s gender reform plans.
So of the three candidates, one asked to be excused from the vote on same sex marriage under pressure from the mosque (if former SNP minister Alex Neal is to be believed), one makes Jacob Rees Mogg look like the voice of sanity with her views on gender recognition, same sex marriage, abortion and pre martial sex and the third quit her ministerial job in protest at the SNP’s gender recognition policy.
As big a critic I have been of a Nicola Sturgeon’s running of Scotland, to her credit she has been the glue who has been holding together this rag tag bunch of cranks and religious zealots.
Progressives my arse. I predict that Labour will now gain enough Scottish seats to form a majority in Westminster and the SNP will implode like UKIP did post Farage. [Post edited 25 Feb 2023 7:39]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 21:07 - Feb 24 by DJR |
Andrew Neil happens to be a supporter of Kate Forbes, so maybe he has an agenda. But surely the main issue here is that Humza Yousaf actually indicated his support by voting for the Bill, albeit not at every stage.
And from lower down in the Daily Express article.
"MSP Joe FitzPatrick, who was minister for parliamentary business at the time, said Mr Yousaf never raised concerns with him about the Bill.
He said: "All arrangements for ministers being handed permission to conduct vital government business during votes in parliament were handled and approved by myself.
"While other ministers did raise concerns about the Bill at the time, Humza wasn't one of them. He gave his full backing to the Bill in its first vote through parliament and he continues to be a staunch ally of the LGBTQ+ community."
But what the whole episode does go to show is that there is some disarray in the SNP, which probably hasn't been helped by the abruptness of Sturgeon's departure. [Post edited 24 Feb 2023 21:21]
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| It's all going swimmingly well up here on 07:33 - Feb 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Another car crash. This time from Ash Regan. If you have 4 minutes to spare, this is embarrassing.
Ash Regan btw, resigned from her ministerial position in protest at the Scottish Government’s gender reform plans.
So of the three candidates, one asked to be excused from the vote on same sex marriage under pressure from the mosque (if former SNP minister Alex Neal is to be believed), one makes Jacob Rees Mogg look like the voice of sanity with her views on gender recognition, same sex marriage, abortion and pre martial sex and the third quit her ministerial job in protest at the SNP’s gender recognition policy.
As big a critic I have been of a Nicola Sturgeon’s running of Scotland, to her credit she has been the glue who has been holding together this rag tag bunch of cranks and religious zealots.
Progressives my arse. I predict that Labour will now gain enough Scottish seats to form a majority in Westminster and the SNP will implode like UKIP did post Farage. [Post edited 25 Feb 2023 7:39]
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She has a point on a couple of them — barely any of the UK's territories became independent as a result of a referendum. The only ones held in British territories were Newfoundland, Rhodesia, Malta, Bermuda and Scotland. Only two resulted in yes votes, and one (Rhodesia) was not recognised.
On the other, the presenter states that "The international community... would not regard Scotland's case for independence as valid unless it was agreed it were agreed to by the state which Scotland was seceding from. That's a pretty established principle in international law." When Yugoslavia broke up, independence of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia was not accepted by the Yugoslavian central government yet the states were recognised. Kosovo is in the same situation now.
Ultimately the problem here is that the British government is not willing to let the Scots decide on their own future, just as the Spanish refuse to let the Catalans and Basques have their votes. IMO all the devolved parliaments should have the power to call an independence referendum - self-determination should be a basic right, as set out in the UN charter. |  | | |
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