| Johnson 08:42 - Mar 2 with 5724 views | Herbivore |
Comes out of this exchange very well I think, doesn't at all seem like a dim-witted sociopath:
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| Johnson on 13:52 - Mar 2 with 955 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson on 11:29 - Mar 2 by Churchman |
I am not so sure. The media have a habit of taking a piece of information from somewhere and presenting it out of context or as something it isn’t to write a story. I’ve seen it done first hand too many times.
There needs to be an independent public enquiry on this, if that’s at all possible. In the meantime, Select Committees are pretty good at looking at things. The Chairperson tends to be extremely capable, well briefed, independent and utterly ruthless if somebody tries to pull the wool over their eyes.
The Select Committee members vary in their interest and capability from excellent to utter shysters. They’re available to watch on Parliamentary tv, usually last two hours and for the right topic worth a watch.
That was my experience of them, anyway. |
There should be an independent enquiry in the same way we were promised one about Boris partying by the end of last year and basically nothing happened.
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| Johnson on 13:59 - Mar 2 with 933 views | Churchman |
| Johnson on 13:52 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue |
There should be an independent enquiry in the same way we were promised one about Boris partying by the end of last year and basically nothing happened.
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No, I mean a proper, independent enquiry. Not a snow job like the Boris on the lash promise.
But it won’t happen while this government is in power. |  | | |
| Johnson on 18:35 - Mar 2 with 831 views | HARRY10 |
| Johnson on 13:39 - Mar 2 by DJR |
This is my view too, and actually we have a public inquiry, the terms of reference of which seem fairly broad.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-covid-19-inquiry-terms-of-referenc
The interesting thing is that unlike the Butler Report into WMDs (which didn't look at the role of politicians), we now have a PM who probably wouldn't mind one of his predecessors getting the flack, just as he has been happy to distance himself from Truss.
So let's hope we get something as independent and frank as the Chilcott Inquiry into the Iraq war but not with the same delay (2016). |
So the bloater imagines that owning up what the rest of us already know. lets him off the hook
No. As he is still spewing out worthless brexit sh.yte - stuff he will no doubt apologise for in a few years time.
he talked of divergence, which suggests he is still pandering to the swivel eyed loons (Truss, Rees-Mogg). His belief being that outside of the EU the UK can alter course in regard to standards. Which in laymans words mean the UK lowering it's standards, as there is nothing in EU membership that stops and standard being raised, so why leave.
The problem there is two fold. Blinding obvious as well.
First in leaving the EU the UK caused all manner of rules, regulation, delays and cost to be imposed on exports. Thats why so many others want to join the EU. To remove them. Were this idiocy ever to take hold it would require UK manufacturers etc to produce two of everything. One for the EU and one for countries we can compete with in lower standards (third world countries).
That's why out of the 70 deals signed since Brexit 69, yes 69, are under EU standards (schedules). Basically "we are happy with how things are thank you UK, so either take it or leave it". The UK has taken it. Meaning the UK is still trading under EU standards without any say in their drafting.
As to the other one it is Japan where it is no more than a change in quotas. Aus/NZ ? Still to be ratified by Parliament
So as expected the gutbucket has nothing to offer the country, other than his usual lies as he tries to cling onto some form of power. Albeit leading the loons. |  | | |
| Johnson on 18:46 - Mar 2 with 837 views | eireblue |
Hmmmm, so no messages in this WhatsApp groups saying,
WTAF Boris, why are you using a newspaper, instead of the actual f**king experts that we employ, you complete f**king moron.
That would seem quite a reasonable thing to interject. |  | | |
| Johnson on 18:53 - Mar 2 with 835 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Let's just hope that Sue Gray doesn't align herself with boring Keir 'establishment' Starmer and give Boris an establishment stitch up get out option to cover his Covid failings. |  |
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| Johnson on 19:03 - Mar 2 with 820 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 18:53 - Mar 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Let's just hope that Sue Gray doesn't align herself with boring Keir 'establishment' Starmer and give Boris an establishment stitch up get out option to cover his Covid failings. |
It looks like Starmer has appointed her, which doesn't seem to me a good idea as it allows Johnson and the Tories to argue that the Sue Gray was biased when she looked into partygate.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/starmer-appoints-partygate-investigator-su |  | | |
| Johnson on 19:11 - Mar 2 with 803 views | HARRY10 |
| Johnson on 18:46 - Mar 2 by eireblue |
Hmmmm, so no messages in this WhatsApp groups saying,
WTAF Boris, why are you using a newspaper, instead of the actual f**king experts that we employ, you complete f**king moron.
That would seem quite a reasonable thing to interject. |
Johnson is the lowest of ow scumbags. Some while back when he was challenged at PMQs about help for energy bills this shthouse ranted that £140 per week was being paid to the vulnerable..
Anyone with the slightest idea of benefits would be well aware that this was so way off that it would not be said.
What the odious slug was talking about was the Warm Home Discount scheme whereby an annual, one off payment is made (now £150). That's it, once a year not every week.
Not unexpected this has been removed for thousands of vulnerable folk.
As their homes are now judged to be energy efficient
Not by any checking on the home but by the postcode. I know this a one of my 'clients' lives in a 'studio flat'. Once someone's front room. The windows are rotten and let in draughts. The only heating is via an electric fire. The monthly help payment has not reached anywhere near the extra cost of electricity. And to compound the insult his daily charges have almost trebled.
So not only has his bills increased above what is being paid as an extra, but he no longer gets this help the lying turd was claiming.... he got every week.
I can only wonder how many thousands of others are suffering similar, housed in substandard housing, and seeing their landlord claiming maximum housing benefit. In the years he has been in there the council could have bough/built a decent flat and would now own it. The benefits to the council, him and the wider community are obvious.
So sht on the cnts who vote for this. That allow 'investors' to grow rich on the misery of others | | | |
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| Johnson on 19:20 - Mar 2 with 808 views | Swansea_Blue |
Seems like a great idea to me. Shows they intend to behave as adults if they’re happy to have someone like Sue Gray advising (and no doubt giving them crap lol!). Compare her to the likes of Nick Timothy, Fullbrook and Barclay. It’s chalk and cheese. Looks like we may get some grown ups back running the country. |  |
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| Johnson on 19:27 - Mar 2 with 799 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 19:20 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Seems like a great idea to me. Shows they intend to behave as adults if they’re happy to have someone like Sue Gray advising (and no doubt giving them crap lol!). Compare her to the likes of Nick Timothy, Fullbrook and Barclay. It’s chalk and cheese. Looks like we may get some grown ups back running the country. |
Oh, it's not her character I am talking about. As you say, she's head and shoulders above the type of people the Tories appoint.
But just look at the reaction which suggests to me that it is not a good appointment politically.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-fury-as-partygate-investigator-sue-gr
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11813007/Partygate-probe-official-Sue-G
And if you look at the best rated comments on the Mail article, it's gone down very badly amongst Mail readers, whom Starmer is trying to court. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 19:33]
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| Johnson on 19:31 - Mar 2 with 791 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Johnson on 19:20 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Seems like a great idea to me. Shows they intend to behave as adults if they’re happy to have someone like Sue Gray advising (and no doubt giving them crap lol!). Compare her to the likes of Nick Timothy, Fullbrook and Barclay. It’s chalk and cheese. Looks like we may get some grown ups back running the country. |
In today's binary online world it is a huge political own goal. | |
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| Johnson on 19:46 - Mar 2 with 776 views | HARRY10 |
You know something is OK when the clueless stick insect rants against it. Grenfell, only fools stayed to get burnt to death, unlike wise chaps like myself who would have escaped by calmly working down 20 flights of smoke filled stairs in the dark.
Perhaps this elongated streak of pss might consider refuting any statements made by this woman. Point out where any of the statements made by witnesses were also inaccurate.
Or simply stand up in Parliament and denounce the Speaker as being part of a 'left wing stitch up', as he was once a Labour MP and so cannot be thought independent.
And we have to assume that Sue Gray was acting in that particular case, with the knowledge that she would later be appointed by Labour. An absurd thought, even by the standards of the absurdity that is the Stick Insect. | | | |
| Johnson on 20:31 - Mar 2 with 754 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Johnson on 19:46 - Mar 2 by HARRY10 |
You know something is OK when the clueless stick insect rants against it. Grenfell, only fools stayed to get burnt to death, unlike wise chaps like myself who would have escaped by calmly working down 20 flights of smoke filled stairs in the dark.
Perhaps this elongated streak of pss might consider refuting any statements made by this woman. Point out where any of the statements made by witnesses were also inaccurate.
Or simply stand up in Parliament and denounce the Speaker as being part of a 'left wing stitch up', as he was once a Labour MP and so cannot be thought independent.
And we have to assume that Sue Gray was acting in that particular case, with the knowledge that she would later be appointed by Labour. An absurd thought, even by the standards of the absurdity that is the Stick Insect. |
You know something is OK when the clueless stick insect rants against it.
So how is our continued involvement in the EU going for you Harry and the last few years of a truly left centered government?
Edit...f#ck me Harry that Grenfell stuff is disgraceful. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 20:32]
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| Johnson on 20:59 - Mar 2 with 728 views | Swansea_Blue |
I always struggle with the politics. I’m daft enough to hope that if you do the right thing, it’ll be recognised and ultimately win more people over than playing the tribal game. I know that’s not how most people think it’s supposed to work. The games seem more important than than the policies sometimes, which is a shame. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if you’re right and this will backfire and get in the way of them doing some decent work. | |
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| Johnson on 21:27 - Mar 2 with 702 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 20:59 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I always struggle with the politics. I’m daft enough to hope that if you do the right thing, it’ll be recognised and ultimately win more people over than playing the tribal game. I know that’s not how most people think it’s supposed to work. The games seem more important than than the policies sometimes, which is a shame. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if you’re right and this will backfire and get in the way of them doing some decent work. |
Another issue I have (speaking as a former civil servant) is that senior civil servants like her usually end up in non-political positions, even if ennobled.
And the fact that Sue Gray resigned yesterday suggests to me that she had been in contact with Starmer or his office whilst still a civil servant, which I am not sure is totally above board.
Another problem is that the civil service and the BBC tend to be portrayed by the right as left wing or anti-Brexit, and her appointment will merely reinforce this view: indeed I have seen lots of twitter comments to that effect. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 21:29]
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| Johnson on 22:09 - Mar 2 with 676 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 21:27 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Another issue I have (speaking as a former civil servant) is that senior civil servants like her usually end up in non-political positions, even if ennobled.
And the fact that Sue Gray resigned yesterday suggests to me that she had been in contact with Starmer or his office whilst still a civil servant, which I am not sure is totally above board.
Another problem is that the civil service and the BBC tend to be portrayed by the right as left wing or anti-Brexit, and her appointment will merely reinforce this view: indeed I have seen lots of twitter comments to that effect. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 21:29]
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And it's not just Tories who have concerns. Here are a couple of respected journalists.
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| Johnson on 22:15 - Mar 2 with 670 views | Ryorry |
| Johnson on 22:09 - Mar 2 by DJR |
And it's not just Tories who have concerns. Here are a couple of respected journalists.
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Agreed. Labour have to not just be, but be perceived by the 'great British public', as squeaky clean, otherwise they're just laying themselves open for attack.
If they did that, they'll admit right now they made a mistake on this & will rescind it, with SG maybe saying she had second thoughts about accepting. |  |
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| Johnson on 22:16 - Mar 2 with 662 views | HARRY10 |
| Johnson on 20:31 - Mar 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You know something is OK when the clueless stick insect rants against it.
So how is our continued involvement in the EU going for you Harry and the last few years of a truly left centered government?
Edit...f#ck me Harry that Grenfell stuff is disgraceful. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 20:32]
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I haven't a clue about that EU question, and perhaps you could enlighten me about the stick insect
Is it his thoughts on Grenfell, or my quoting him that you think is disgraceful ? | | | |
| Johnson on 23:04 - Mar 2 with 651 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Johnson on 22:16 - Mar 2 by HARRY10 |
I haven't a clue about that EU question, and perhaps you could enlighten me about the stick insect
Is it his thoughts on Grenfell, or my quoting him that you think is disgraceful ? |
Fair does Harry I missed the stick insect bit when I first read it and thought you meant something else! | |
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| Johnson on 23:34 - Mar 2 with 623 views | HARRY10 |
| Johnson on 23:04 - Mar 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fair does Harry I missed the stick insect bit when I first read it and thought you meant something else! |
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| Johnson on 23:58 - Mar 2 with 617 views | Churchman |
| Johnson on 21:27 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Another issue I have (speaking as a former civil servant) is that senior civil servants like her usually end up in non-political positions, even if ennobled.
And the fact that Sue Gray resigned yesterday suggests to me that she had been in contact with Starmer or his office whilst still a civil servant, which I am not sure is totally above board.
Another problem is that the civil service and the BBC tend to be portrayed by the right as left wing or anti-Brexit, and her appointment will merely reinforce this view: indeed I have seen lots of twitter comments to that effect. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 21:29]
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Regardless of how Civil Servants are portrayed I can say categorically that in carrying out their duties, they are totally non political, whatever personal views they may hold. That included me.
They implement, they don’t create policy or seek to do so. I only saw one instance where I thought there was an element of dangerous political bias being wielded and that was by private sector contractors working on a particular, highly sensitive, piece of work.
In terms of DGs, their appointment is approved by I believe the PM. Well, you could argue that this means they are political appointees. But I doubt you’d say that if you’d ever met HMRCs Jon Thompson or his successor Jim Harra.
This view is for those who do not know the Whitehall world, not you DJR who I know most certainly does. | | | |
| Johnson on 00:11 - Mar 3 with 609 views | eireblue |
| Johnson on 22:15 - Mar 2 by Ryorry |
Agreed. Labour have to not just be, but be perceived by the 'great British public', as squeaky clean, otherwise they're just laying themselves open for attack.
If they did that, they'll admit right now they made a mistake on this & will rescind it, with SG maybe saying she had second thoughts about accepting. |
All someone has to do is replay all the clips of all the Tory ministers that talked about SG´s integrity, and how they have known her for years as a straight up trustworthy person. | | | |
| Johnson on 07:15 - Mar 3 with 553 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson on 19:20 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Seems like a great idea to me. Shows they intend to behave as adults if they’re happy to have someone like Sue Gray advising (and no doubt giving them crap lol!). Compare her to the likes of Nick Timothy, Fullbrook and Barclay. It’s chalk and cheese. Looks like we may get some grown ups back running the country. |
Really? I don’t disagree that she is eminently qualified for the job, and head and shoulders above the series of desperate candidates appointed to the same position by johnson post Cummings, politically it’s an own goal from Starmer. He’s been Mr cautious throughout his leadership and it’s seen him take a commanding lead over the Tories.
This appointment has opened up questions of impartiality in the “Sue Grey report”.
Personally, from what I’ve read about Sue Grey, she is regarded as a person of total integrity.. but that is going to matter little in the Boris supporting media.
Given the timing being less than a year after her report was one of the nails in Johnson’s coffin, the youngsters today say, the optics don’t look great. An unforced error that Starmer didn’t need to make. |  |
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| Johnson on 07:32 - Mar 3 with 544 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 07:15 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Really? I don’t disagree that she is eminently qualified for the job, and head and shoulders above the series of desperate candidates appointed to the same position by johnson post Cummings, politically it’s an own goal from Starmer. He’s been Mr cautious throughout his leadership and it’s seen him take a commanding lead over the Tories.
This appointment has opened up questions of impartiality in the “Sue Grey report”.
Personally, from what I’ve read about Sue Grey, she is regarded as a person of total integrity.. but that is going to matter little in the Boris supporting media.
Given the timing being less than a year after her report was one of the nails in Johnson’s coffin, the youngsters today say, the optics don’t look great. An unforced error that Starmer didn’t need to make. |
I make you right. I don't think they remotely thought through the implications of it and how it will be portrayed by Johnson's cheerleaders, of which there are still a remarkable number. | |
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| Johnson on 07:38 - Mar 3 with 537 views | DanTheMan |
| Johnson on 07:15 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Really? I don’t disagree that she is eminently qualified for the job, and head and shoulders above the series of desperate candidates appointed to the same position by johnson post Cummings, politically it’s an own goal from Starmer. He’s been Mr cautious throughout his leadership and it’s seen him take a commanding lead over the Tories.
This appointment has opened up questions of impartiality in the “Sue Grey report”.
Personally, from what I’ve read about Sue Grey, she is regarded as a person of total integrity.. but that is going to matter little in the Boris supporting media.
Given the timing being less than a year after her report was one of the nails in Johnson’s coffin, the youngsters today say, the optics don’t look great. An unforced error that Starmer didn’t need to make. |
I don't think your average person is at all going to remember or care about this come election time.
Honestly, it might just be she's a very competent person (from what little I know) and he wants competent people around him, optics be damned. |  |
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