| Johnson 08:42 - Mar 2 with 5726 views | Herbivore |
Comes out of this exchange very well I think, doesn't at all seem like a dim-witted sociopath:
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| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 with 787 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 07:38 - Mar 3 by DanTheMan |
I don't think your average person is at all going to remember or care about this come election time.
Honestly, it might just be she's a very competent person (from what little I know) and he wants competent people around him, optics be damned. |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. | |
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| Johnson on 08:35 - Mar 3 with 730 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. |
“ it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories”.
Very much this. There are still people who still see Johnson as a white knight who will ride to save the Tories at the next election. They are undermining Sunak’s leadership every day. This is a gift to them. |  |
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| Johnson on 08:43 - Mar 3 with 744 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 10:17 - Mar 2 by WD19 |
Disappointing lack of Gifs and bants. Must be the dullest work WhatsApp out there. |
These exchanges sounds a bit more like it. Top bantz.
The Telegraph reported messages showing Simon Case, the Cabinet Secretary and Hancock joking about the quarantine rules that meant travellers had to isolate on returning to the UK.
Case told Hancock on 5 February 2021: “I just want to see some of the faces of people coming out of first class and into a Premier Inn shoe box.”
More than a week later, Case sent a message to Hancock saying: “Any idea how many people we locked up in hotels yesterday?”.
And Hancock sent a message saying "149 chose to enter the country and are now in Quarantine Hotels due to their own free will!" to which Case replied "Hilarious". |  | | |
| Johnson on 08:45 - Mar 3 with 738 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 08:35 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
“ it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories”.
Very much this. There are still people who still see Johnson as a white knight who will ride to save the Tories at the next election. They are undermining Sunak’s leadership every day. This is a gift to them. |
He's a turd that just won't flush. | |
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| Johnson on 08:48 - Mar 3 with 721 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. |
Let them I say. If anyone takes the Johnson-promoting press seriously they need meds. Another partyleader shouldn’t let the press effectively vet his staffing appointments. The Mail/Telegraph/Express, etc., will always find another leftywoke conspiracy theory to bang on about. |  |
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| Johnson on 08:49 - Mar 3 with 716 views | Churchman |
| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. |
I don’t think it matters. Whatever lies the tories wish to peddle, they’re busted, found out, offer nothing for the next election whenever it is.
Their old standby of claimed competence with the economy is busted. Defence and law and order? They’ve shown everyone they’re not interested in either having disposed of much of both. NHS - they’ve made it clear what they want and it isn’t an NHS or a welfare state.
Corruption wise, they’ve made it clear to all that if it’s there, grab it and if caught blame somebody else. There will be people like some friends of mine that’ll always vote Tory and ‘blame the unions’ etc. but for the majority of people, especially in the middle ground, the tories are done, helped by Starmer not scaring people off as Corbyn did. |  | | |
| Johnson on 08:52 - Mar 3 with 714 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 08:48 - Mar 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Let them I say. If anyone takes the Johnson-promoting press seriously they need meds. Another partyleader shouldn’t let the press effectively vet his staffing appointments. The Mail/Telegraph/Express, etc., will always find another leftywoke conspiracy theory to bang on about. |
I have little faith in the critical faculties of the electorate after the last decade. | |
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| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 3 with 698 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 23:58 - Mar 2 by Churchman |
Regardless of how Civil Servants are portrayed I can say categorically that in carrying out their duties, they are totally non political, whatever personal views they may hold. That included me.
They implement, they don’t create policy or seek to do so. I only saw one instance where I thought there was an element of dangerous political bias being wielded and that was by private sector contractors working on a particular, highly sensitive, piece of work.
In terms of DGs, their appointment is approved by I believe the PM. Well, you could argue that this means they are political appointees. But I doubt you’d say that if you’d ever met HMRCs Jon Thompson or his successor Jim Harra.
This view is for those who do not know the Whitehall world, not you DJR who I know most certainly does. |
I agree entirely.
Interestingly, a very high proportion of public sector workers (and so presumably civil servants) have voted for the Tories these last 13 years, which I always thought was madness because they were voting for real term pay cuts.
When it comes to bias in the civil service, what really matters is bias in Whitehall, or elsewhere where policy is developed, because the fact that a civil servant in a Job Centre in Salford votes Labour is of no consequence.
My experience of Whitehall is that no one I came across was party political or even that interested in politics (as opposed to policy and the workings of government) because I never had a proper political discussion in the 20 odd years I worked there. Indeed, the fact that you have to be prepared to work for either party probably rarely attracts the politically committed.
I was probably the exception that proved the rule, because I did belong to a political party, but I was not able to be involved in politics because of the position I held.
I might add that my role did not involve policy work, but instead giving legal effect to policy work, so I always felt slightly detached from the policy and much more part of the Parliamentary process. Indeed, the duty in our office was as much to the House authorities as it was to the Government because propriety was an essential part our role.
Finally, to those who say it was the civil service who thwarted or delayed Brexit, that is just not true. Brexit was delayed because it took three and a half years for the Tories to decide what sort of Brexit they wanted, given Theresa May's version wasn't it. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 9:11]
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| Johnson on 09:13 - Mar 3 with 680 views | DanTheMan |
| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. |
The flip side is, they keep reminding everyone that whilst everyone else was locking down and their loved ones were dying, Boris and co. were having fun parties.
It's a double edged sword. I don't think this is going to make any difference and will be promptly forgotten. |  |
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| Johnson on 09:16 - Mar 3 with 675 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. |
It also makes me wonder whether it will scupper the Privileges Committee investigation into partygate, or at least discredit any finding.
Indeed, even if the investigation goes ahead, it seems to me it will give the Tories and the right wing press an ongoing opportunity to discredit Gray and Starmer. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 9:18]
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| Johnson on 09:18 - Mar 3 with 665 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 09:13 - Mar 3 by DanTheMan |
The flip side is, they keep reminding everyone that whilst everyone else was locking down and their loved ones were dying, Boris and co. were having fun parties.
It's a double edged sword. I don't think this is going to make any difference and will be promptly forgotten. |
I just can't see the press spinning the flip side narrative though, so it won't get any traction. The Boris was betrayed!!! narrative is already being spun by his media buddies and political supporters and whilst us lefty bumfesters know it's nonsense there's a lot of gullible people out there. Remember these people voted with Johnson on Brexit, they voted with him again in 2019. He still has inexplicable popularity in some quarters. This keeps him alive whilst giving the Tories the opportunity to blame the lefty establishment for their ills. As I said, whether it will have much of an impact remains to be seen but it feels like a needless opportunity has been given to the Tories to spin their favoured narratives. | |
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| Johnson on 09:29 - Mar 3 with 660 views | Churchman |
| Johnson on 09:07 - Mar 3 by DJR |
I agree entirely.
Interestingly, a very high proportion of public sector workers (and so presumably civil servants) have voted for the Tories these last 13 years, which I always thought was madness because they were voting for real term pay cuts.
When it comes to bias in the civil service, what really matters is bias in Whitehall, or elsewhere where policy is developed, because the fact that a civil servant in a Job Centre in Salford votes Labour is of no consequence.
My experience of Whitehall is that no one I came across was party political or even that interested in politics (as opposed to policy and the workings of government) because I never had a proper political discussion in the 20 odd years I worked there. Indeed, the fact that you have to be prepared to work for either party probably rarely attracts the politically committed.
I was probably the exception that proved the rule, because I did belong to a political party, but I was not able to be involved in politics because of the position I held.
I might add that my role did not involve policy work, but instead giving legal effect to policy work, so I always felt slightly detached from the policy and much more part of the Parliamentary process. Indeed, the duty in our office was as much to the House authorities as it was to the Government because propriety was an essential part our role.
Finally, to those who say it was the civil service who thwarted or delayed Brexit, that is just not true. Brexit was delayed because it took three and a half years for the Tories to decide what sort of Brexit they wanted, given Theresa May's version wasn't it. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 9:11]
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100% agree with this. It parallels my experiences.
The CS didn’t thwart Brexit. In fact it was precisely the opposite. It took 18 months - 2 years for the members of the government to understand what Brexit was or how anything worked. Customs Union and SM? The tories had no idea what it was until 2018. They initially went Ito discussion with the EU without any clue what they were talking about. The EU, by and large, knew their business though.
The so called deal over the line wasn’t as it was painted. Nearly all of the work had been done before Johnson. All Johnson and his chums did was accept a stupid non solution to NI and a mechanism for keeping tariff free trade open with penalties for infringements. | | | |
| Johnson on 10:08 - Mar 3 with 637 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 21:27 - Mar 2 by DJR |
Another issue I have (speaking as a former civil servant) is that senior civil servants like her usually end up in non-political positions, even if ennobled.
And the fact that Sue Gray resigned yesterday suggests to me that she had been in contact with Starmer or his office whilst still a civil servant, which I am not sure is totally above board.
Another problem is that the civil service and the BBC tend to be portrayed by the right as left wing or anti-Brexit, and her appointment will merely reinforce this view: indeed I have seen lots of twitter comments to that effect. [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 21:29]
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The following from the Guardian indicates that the independent Institute for Government shares my misgivings with regard to propriety.
Alex Thomas, a former civil servant who now works at the Institute for Government thinktank, has been giving interviews about the propriety of the Sue Gray appointment this morning. Here are some of the main points he has been making.
Thomas described the appointment of Gray as chief of staff to Keir Starmer was “unusual” and “surprising”. He told the Today programme:
"I do think this is unusual, it’s surprising. Although civil servants have crossed the aisle before — Jonathan Powell for Tony Blair, or others — I mean, it hasn’t happened before with a civil servant who was still serving of this seniority and with the public profile and career history in the deep centre of government that Sue Grey has."
He said the appointment “raises quite tricky questions for the civil service in the long term about the trust of relationship between ministers and civil servants”.
He said it was important for Gray to stress that she would not be divulging confidential information she obtained when she was in government. He told Times Radio:
"Sue Gray can’t unknow what she knows. And if she does this job, I do think she needs to be very clear she’s not going to share details of the work that she did in government."
But Thomas rejected suggestions that the appointment meant Gray might have acted in a biased= manner as a civil servant. Thomas said that he had worked with her, and that he had always seen her “behave entirely impartially and equally robustly with ministers and political advisers of any party”. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 10:09]
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| Johnson on 10:17 - Mar 3 with 628 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 10:08 - Mar 3 by DJR |
The following from the Guardian indicates that the independent Institute for Government shares my misgivings with regard to propriety.
Alex Thomas, a former civil servant who now works at the Institute for Government thinktank, has been giving interviews about the propriety of the Sue Gray appointment this morning. Here are some of the main points he has been making.
Thomas described the appointment of Gray as chief of staff to Keir Starmer was “unusual” and “surprising”. He told the Today programme:
"I do think this is unusual, it’s surprising. Although civil servants have crossed the aisle before — Jonathan Powell for Tony Blair, or others — I mean, it hasn’t happened before with a civil servant who was still serving of this seniority and with the public profile and career history in the deep centre of government that Sue Grey has."
He said the appointment “raises quite tricky questions for the civil service in the long term about the trust of relationship between ministers and civil servants”.
He said it was important for Gray to stress that she would not be divulging confidential information she obtained when she was in government. He told Times Radio:
"Sue Gray can’t unknow what she knows. And if she does this job, I do think she needs to be very clear she’s not going to share details of the work that she did in government."
But Thomas rejected suggestions that the appointment meant Gray might have acted in a biased= manner as a civil servant. Thomas said that he had worked with her, and that he had always seen her “behave entirely impartially and equally robustly with ministers and political advisers of any party”. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 10:09]
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And on the political front, it doesn't seem to be going well if this is to be believed.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/03/labour-ready-to-delay-sue-gray- | | | |
| Johnson on 12:07 - Mar 3 with 603 views | DJR |
| Johnson on 23:58 - Mar 2 by Churchman |
Regardless of how Civil Servants are portrayed I can say categorically that in carrying out their duties, they are totally non political, whatever personal views they may hold. That included me.
They implement, they don’t create policy or seek to do so. I only saw one instance where I thought there was an element of dangerous political bias being wielded and that was by private sector contractors working on a particular, highly sensitive, piece of work.
In terms of DGs, their appointment is approved by I believe the PM. Well, you could argue that this means they are political appointees. But I doubt you’d say that if you’d ever met HMRCs Jon Thompson or his successor Jim Harra.
This view is for those who do not know the Whitehall world, not you DJR who I know most certainly does. |
I forgot to say that when it came to instructing on Bills, HMRC and before them the Inland Revenue were the Rolls Royce of the Civil Service.
Perhaps strangely, they were the only departments not to use lawyers to instruct, maybe because the subject matter was so complicated, they were such experts and there few pure law issues, but it worked well and all of the instructions I received were excellent.
The same excellence wasn't always true of other departments (including the old Customs and Excise who also used lawyers), but that just made our task harder. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 14:34]
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| Johnson on 12:42 - Mar 3 with 568 views | HARRY10 |
| Johnson on 09:13 - Mar 3 by DanTheMan |
The flip side is, they keep reminding everyone that whilst everyone else was locking down and their loved ones were dying, Boris and co. were having fun parties.
It's a double edged sword. I don't think this is going to make any difference and will be promptly forgotten. |
The bloater is up before the beak this month (20th March), and it is not looking good
"The privileges committee report out today includes evidence that has not been made public before, suggesting Boris Johnson was not being honest with MPs when he told them the Covid rules were followed at all times in No 10.
It includes this paragraph.
The evidence strongly suggests that breaches of guidance would have been obvious to Mr Johnson at the time he was at the gatherings.The privileges committee report out today includes evidence that has not been made public before, suggesting Boris Johnson was not being honest with MPs when he told them the Covid rules were followed at all times in No 10.
It includes this paragraph.
The evidence strongly suggests that breaches of guidance would have been obvious to Mr Johnson at the time he was at the gatherings."
and
"In a separate WhatsApp exchange with a No 10 official of 25 January 2022 in relation to the gathering of 19 June 2020, the director of communications stated: “I’m struggling to come up with a way this one is in the rules in my head”, and in response to a suggestion that they describe the event as “reasonably necessary for work purposes”, “not sure that one works does it. Also blows another great gaping hole in the PM’s account doesn’t it?”
Committee report
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5803/cmselect/cmprivi/1203/report.html |  | | |
| Johnson on 14:07 - Mar 3 with 525 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson on 07:38 - Mar 3 by DanTheMan |
I don't think your average person is at all going to remember or care about this come election time.
Honestly, it might just be she's a very competent person (from what little I know) and he wants competent people around him, optics be damned. |
I think after the sh1t show of corruption and cronyism we’ve seen over the past few years it’s very important that Starmer is seen as being whiter than white. Otherwise we will see the usual charge that they are all the same.
It also brings into question when the negotiates between Starmer and Grey started. He obviously didn’t pick up the phone yesterday to offer her the job. These things take months of negotiation. Johnson’s supporters will ask if those negotiations took place in parallel to her investigation. | |
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| Johnson on 14:16 - Mar 3 with 493 views | giant_stow |
| Johnson on 14:07 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I think after the sh1t show of corruption and cronyism we’ve seen over the past few years it’s very important that Starmer is seen as being whiter than white. Otherwise we will see the usual charge that they are all the same.
It also brings into question when the negotiates between Starmer and Grey started. He obviously didn’t pick up the phone yesterday to offer her the job. These things take months of negotiation. Johnson’s supporters will ask if those negotiations took place in parallel to her investigation. |
bit of an own goal - she can't be the only one up to the gig. |  |
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| Johnson on 14:21 - Mar 3 with 483 views | HARRY10 |
| Johnson on 14:07 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I think after the sh1t show of corruption and cronyism we’ve seen over the past few years it’s very important that Starmer is seen as being whiter than white. Otherwise we will see the usual charge that they are all the same.
It also brings into question when the negotiates between Starmer and Grey started. He obviously didn’t pick up the phone yesterday to offer her the job. These things take months of negotiation. Johnson’s supporters will ask if those negotiations took place in parallel to her investigation. |
Which would presume a Rees-Mogg level of stupidity
Labour contacts Sue Gray at the time you suggest, Sue Gray reports that contact to Parliament,- or the press, as an attempt to influence her enquiry.
Does rather back my assertion about Daily Mail readers | | | |
| Johnson on 14:51 - Mar 3 with 465 views | NthQldITFC |
| Johnson on 08:35 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
“ it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories”.
Very much this. There are still people who still see Johnson as a white knight who will ride to save the Tories at the next election. They are undermining Sunak’s leadership every day. This is a gift to them. |
Which is why I'm wondering if this might not just be a very clever move by Starmer. |  |
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| Johnson on 14:56 - Mar 3 with 460 views | Ryorry |
| Johnson on 14:51 - Mar 3 by NthQldITFC |
Which is why I'm wondering if this might not just be a very clever move by Starmer. |
Sadly, I don’t think the majority of our electorate are that bright! |  |
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| Johnson on 14:59 - Mar 3 with 459 views | Zapers |
| Johnson on 08:16 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
It's not so much about whether the average person will remember, it's more that it gives the largely right wing media in the UK an opportunity to push the narrative that the Tories have spent the last few years being thwarted by a lefty remain establishment. Look, they'll say, the person who did for Johnson who got Brexit done is actually a Labour stooge! And plenty of people are likely to buy it, sadly.
Of course, whether that will be sufficient to overturn a twenty point plus poll lead is doubtful. People are sick of the Tories at this point. But it gives the Tories unnecessary ammo to push some of their favoured narratives about how they are the real victims rather than the cause of our ills, and perhaps more worryingly, it keeps the ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive for another tilt at leading the Tories as they can paint his misdeeds as a left wing remoaner establishment stitch up.
Politically, I think it's a terrible move, even if she's the best person for the job. |
" The ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive " What does that even mean  | | | |
| Johnson on 15:00 - Mar 3 with 455 views | Churchman |
| Johnson on 12:07 - Mar 3 by DJR |
I forgot to say that when it came to instructing on Bills, HMRC and before them the Inland Revenue were the Rolls Royce of the Civil Service.
Perhaps strangely, they were the only departments not to use lawyers to instruct, maybe because the subject matter was so complicated, they were such experts and there few pure law issues, but it worked well and all of the instructions I received were excellent.
The same excellence wasn't always true of other departments (including the old Customs and Excise who also used lawyers), but that just made our task harder. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 14:34]
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I think it’s just as you say. The complexity of measures most of the time meant that subject matter experts within HMRC did the majority of it. Experts on tax had different specialisms. HMRC had its legal department of course proposals were more often than not scrutinised by them.
HMRCs legal people were extremely clever people, as you’d expect, and were often qualified in tax matters as well as in law. I worked for a while with a chap who became for a while HMRCs chief solicitor in 2018. He was frighteningly clever but you couldn’t wish to meet a more lovely man.
HMRC was always regarded as a very structured department. That didn’t always sit well with others when they were forced to work together on certain things. My work took me into a lot of other departments, including the big hitters and I was amazed how different they were to each other. | | | |
| Johnson on 15:31 - Mar 3 with 431 views | Herbivore |
| Johnson on 14:59 - Mar 3 by Zapers |
" The ghost of Boris fecking Johnson alive " What does that even mean |
It's pretty self-explanatory for anyone with greater than a primary school level of comprehension. | |
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