| QPR ouch.... (n/t) 20:09 - Mar 14 with 6900 views | homer_123 |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:15 - Mar 15 with 1974 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 12:55 - Mar 15 by BlueNomad |
He wouldn't get anywhere near our team |
QPR signed Dozzell when they already had Dom Ball, played him more than Dom Ball and then released Dom Ball.
We then signed Dom Ball. |  |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:38 - Mar 15 with 1898 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:11 - Mar 15 by Herbivore |
An utterly hopeless footballer who is playing in a league above us. |
QPR fans would tell you something about him. |  | | |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:47 - Mar 15 with 1872 views | Radlett_blue |
I used to quite like QPR but if Ainsworth is going to make them play the same ugly football as Wycombe, then I hope they get relegated. |  |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 15:49 - Mar 15 with 1821 views | BlueNomad |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:15 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe |
QPR signed Dozzell when they already had Dom Ball, played him more than Dom Ball and then released Dom Ball.
We then signed Dom Ball. |
They play completely different roles. It doesn't make Dozzell a better player because he played more games if he had a different job to do. I stand by my comment that JD would not get in our team. Would he be ahead of Morsy, Luongo, Evans, Humphreys even, Camara (although we only know by reputation) and Ball? He lacks the power and speed of the others. Unless he has changed he also switches off regularly.
In my view he is not a McKenna type player. |  | | |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 15 with 1763 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 15:49 - Mar 15 by BlueNomad |
They play completely different roles. It doesn't make Dozzell a better player because he played more games if he had a different job to do. I stand by my comment that JD would not get in our team. Would he be ahead of Morsy, Luongo, Evans, Humphreys even, Camara (although we only know by reputation) and Ball? He lacks the power and speed of the others. Unless he has changed he also switches off regularly.
In my view he is not a McKenna type player. |
We'll never know - but people happy to try and put Dozzell down.....when we sold him for £1m and susbequently bought Harper for £250k some fans were crowing that we have a better player.
It's the same with Dom Ball v Dozzell for me.
There is a reason a Championship side signed him for a big fee and has played him a lot, and that is because he is a Championship standard player - we need to get these guys there to prove that they are also.
Personally, I'd have him above Evans, Humphreys and Camara for us. But would be the player you would allow to move upwards to let Humphreys come in and takeover from to ensure he doesn't miss out on development.
Humphreys has done very well this season; but think we as Ipswich fans sometimes forget how difficult it is to break through and look good in a poorly performing and structured team/squad - and that is what we were from the moment Mick McCarthy walked out the door until Kieran McKenna walked into it.
We've wasted a lot of talent over that period, including Dozzell, and fact that he is still playing regular Championship football is testament to his ability and determination | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 17:25 - Mar 15 with 1676 views | Churchman |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 22:25 - Mar 14 by Coastalblue |
I think McKenna would undoubtedly be good for his game and improve him, however I don't think he's got the mobility or workrate to get in a McKenna team. I say that as a fan while he was here. |
Agree with this. Having a quick look at Loft For Words (waiting for the match report - the writer if that, Clive Whittingham is usually well worth a read), views on Dozzell are mixed nudging towards ‘meh’ - and they’re the ones the watch him after all.
According to them his contract finishes end of next season, but there’s a one year extension option. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
When I first saw him, I thought he’d be better than his dad. It just hasn’t happened, whether it’s injury, poor player management including medical by ITFC or himself. Either way, there’s still time for him. |  | | |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 17:32 - Mar 15 with 1669 views | FrimleyBlue |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe |
We'll never know - but people happy to try and put Dozzell down.....when we sold him for £1m and susbequently bought Harper for £250k some fans were crowing that we have a better player.
It's the same with Dom Ball v Dozzell for me.
There is a reason a Championship side signed him for a big fee and has played him a lot, and that is because he is a Championship standard player - we need to get these guys there to prove that they are also.
Personally, I'd have him above Evans, Humphreys and Camara for us. But would be the player you would allow to move upwards to let Humphreys come in and takeover from to ensure he doesn't miss out on development.
Humphreys has done very well this season; but think we as Ipswich fans sometimes forget how difficult it is to break through and look good in a poorly performing and structured team/squad - and that is what we were from the moment Mick McCarthy walked out the door until Kieran McKenna walked into it.
We've wasted a lot of talent over that period, including Dozzell, and fact that he is still playing regular Championship football is testament to his ability and determination |
Joe. You've had good links with the academy set up..
What's the story on the following. Some who showed promise but we haven't heard much about them or seen more of them..
Chiwera ( probably spelt wrong) think he rejected a contract not heard anything since.
Ward... looked a promising pre season cameo. Is he on first team radar?
Any others you think might have a claim next season or are we a few years away from our next batch of potentials. |  |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 21:53 - Mar 15 with 1583 views | catch74 |
Reckon this’ll sort them out.
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 22:01 - Mar 15 with 1562 views | Swansea_Blue |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:47 - Mar 15 by Radlett_blue |
I used to quite like QPR but if Ainsworth is going to make them play the same ugly football as Wycombe, then I hope they get relegated. |
I’d not realised he’d gone there, although knew he was being linked. It’s a logical move for him given it’s where he played most his football, but I’m not a fan of his game nor how QPR have gone about things off the pitch. But I wouldn’t want to see them crash and burn despite all that. They’ve got good fans though and Loft For Words is an institution on a par with TWTD. |  |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 22:51 - Mar 15 with 1550 views | Churchman |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 16:17 - Mar 15 by itfcjoe |
We'll never know - but people happy to try and put Dozzell down.....when we sold him for £1m and susbequently bought Harper for £250k some fans were crowing that we have a better player.
It's the same with Dom Ball v Dozzell for me.
There is a reason a Championship side signed him for a big fee and has played him a lot, and that is because he is a Championship standard player - we need to get these guys there to prove that they are also.
Personally, I'd have him above Evans, Humphreys and Camara for us. But would be the player you would allow to move upwards to let Humphreys come in and takeover from to ensure he doesn't miss out on development.
Humphreys has done very well this season; but think we as Ipswich fans sometimes forget how difficult it is to break through and look good in a poorly performing and structured team/squad - and that is what we were from the moment Mick McCarthy walked out the door until Kieran McKenna walked into it.
We've wasted a lot of talent over that period, including Dozzell, and fact that he is still playing regular Championship football is testament to his ability and determination |
Are you saying if QPR offered a straight swap of Dozzell for Humphreys you’d take it?
On what little I’ve seen of both, I wouldn’t. I’ve seen little of Dozzell for QPR, but what I have seen is that despite the ability to spot a brilliant pass, he goes missing in games. But that’s only on TV, which never gives a true perspective of what a player is doing.
Somebody said on LFW that he requested being subbed the other day because he was tired. Their view was that was a warning light, given he’s only 23, regarding attitude.
You’ve seen a lot more of Humphreys than me - what are the weaknesses compared to AD? | | | |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 08:42 - Mar 16 with 1438 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 17:32 - Mar 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Joe. You've had good links with the academy set up..
What's the story on the following. Some who showed promise but we haven't heard much about them or seen more of them..
Chiwera ( probably spelt wrong) think he rejected a contract not heard anything since.
Ward... looked a promising pre season cameo. Is he on first team radar?
Any others you think might have a claim next season or are we a few years away from our next batch of potentials. |
Chirewa - he has been offered a new deal but hasn't signed it yet. I think he wants out as just too much traffic for him. His performances last year should have earned him some first team game time but at the expense of who as squad was bloated. He's had a downturn this year and not sure attitude is all there for him, but hard to blame him when he has prob done all he can.
Ward - out on loan now in Ireland; I imagine he'll be released in the summer. Didn't kick on last season after a good pre season - but again didn't really have any room to kick on into so a bit of a ctach 22.
The problem you often have, with a squad like we have, is that there just isn't any room to give players a chance to even train with frist team so their development gets stunted at an important time. It's really only injuries this season that have allowed Humphreys to play as much as he has otherwise he'd have had 7 or 8 cup games and that be it. | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 09:14 - Mar 16 with 1392 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 22:51 - Mar 15 by Churchman |
Are you saying if QPR offered a straight swap of Dozzell for Humphreys you’d take it?
On what little I’ve seen of both, I wouldn’t. I’ve seen little of Dozzell for QPR, but what I have seen is that despite the ability to spot a brilliant pass, he goes missing in games. But that’s only on TV, which never gives a true perspective of what a player is doing.
Somebody said on LFW that he requested being subbed the other day because he was tired. Their view was that was a warning light, given he’s only 23, regarding attitude.
You’ve seen a lot more of Humphreys than me - what are the weaknesses compared to AD? |
No, because Dozzell is 5 years older than Humphreys and he is the past for ITFC. His ceiling seems to be a player for a mid ranking Championship side whereas we'd all like to think Humphreys can go higher.
But a lot of Ipswich fans are saying if we go up that Humphreys will need a loan spell back in League One next season whereas Dozzell will have likely ticked past 100 games at that level by that point so in the here and now is a better bet but I wouldn't be swapping them
Dozzell a better passer and reader of the game, Humphreys has a far better engine and finds himself being able to take over areas of the pitch - but I think fans do underestimate the difference between League 1 and the Championship and the capabilities required to play there and play there regularly.
Paul Hurst made that mistake big time - he went for physicality and pace and didn't know there is a base level of technical ability you simply have to have to succeed there. | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 09:39 - Mar 16 with 1364 views | clive_baker |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 09:14 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
No, because Dozzell is 5 years older than Humphreys and he is the past for ITFC. His ceiling seems to be a player for a mid ranking Championship side whereas we'd all like to think Humphreys can go higher.
But a lot of Ipswich fans are saying if we go up that Humphreys will need a loan spell back in League One next season whereas Dozzell will have likely ticked past 100 games at that level by that point so in the here and now is a better bet but I wouldn't be swapping them
Dozzell a better passer and reader of the game, Humphreys has a far better engine and finds himself being able to take over areas of the pitch - but I think fans do underestimate the difference between League 1 and the Championship and the capabilities required to play there and play there regularly.
Paul Hurst made that mistake big time - he went for physicality and pace and didn't know there is a base level of technical ability you simply have to have to succeed there. |
There's definitely a lot of talent in L1 and players capable of making the step up to the Championship, but Hirst's issue also was that he wasn't buying top L1 talent. The likes of Nsiala, Nolan, Harrison, Roberts have never been and will never be top League 1 players. Even our big bet in Jackson had never played above L2. There's a world of difference between scoring 15 in L2 and trying to fill a proven and experienced Championship void left by Garner and Wagnorn. |  |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 10:03 - Mar 16 with 1334 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 09:39 - Mar 16 by clive_baker |
There's definitely a lot of talent in L1 and players capable of making the step up to the Championship, but Hirst's issue also was that he wasn't buying top L1 talent. The likes of Nsiala, Nolan, Harrison, Roberts have never been and will never be top League 1 players. Even our big bet in Jackson had never played above L2. There's a world of difference between scoring 15 in L2 and trying to fill a proven and experienced Championship void left by Garner and Wagnorn. |
People were also buying into the 'young and hungry' line when those players were 25-26 and no resale value at that point - they'd found their level.
The best players burn through League 1 | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 11:17 - Mar 16 with 1280 views | Churchman |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 09:14 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
No, because Dozzell is 5 years older than Humphreys and he is the past for ITFC. His ceiling seems to be a player for a mid ranking Championship side whereas we'd all like to think Humphreys can go higher.
But a lot of Ipswich fans are saying if we go up that Humphreys will need a loan spell back in League One next season whereas Dozzell will have likely ticked past 100 games at that level by that point so in the here and now is a better bet but I wouldn't be swapping them
Dozzell a better passer and reader of the game, Humphreys has a far better engine and finds himself being able to take over areas of the pitch - but I think fans do underestimate the difference between League 1 and the Championship and the capabilities required to play there and play there regularly.
Paul Hurst made that mistake big time - he went for physicality and pace and didn't know there is a base level of technical ability you simply have to have to succeed there. |
Ta for that. According to Wiki Dozzell has made 51 appearances to date for QPR including Mickey Mouse competitions. I’ll be interested in how it goes for him, not least because I’ve very fond memories of his dad playing for us.
He’s coming up to 24 now and QPR look in turmoil along with a manager that hardly suits his style. I suspect he might move on this summer, but then I’m usually wrong on such things.
Not seen enough of Humphreys to judge but looking at Championship football, I don’t thing the gap to L1 is huge. Certainly isn’t if Norwich Sunderland was anything to go by. It is from Championship to PL, obviously. If they are to loan him, as was suggested on Blue Monday, they need to be careful to who and on what terms.
Hurst? Clueless. Alan Lee’s comments on him said it all. Basically he was so far out of his depth and the club in such a mess it was unreal. | | | |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 12:31 - Mar 16 with 1208 views | Radlett_blue |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 22:01 - Mar 15 by Swansea_Blue |
I’d not realised he’d gone there, although knew he was being linked. It’s a logical move for him given it’s where he played most his football, but I’m not a fan of his game nor how QPR have gone about things off the pitch. But I wouldn’t want to see them crash and burn despite all that. They’ve got good fans though and Loft For Words is an institution on a par with TWTD. |
Fair enough - there was an inevitability about Ainsworth to QPR at some stage. But I still hope he isn't a success there, although that means he's almost certain to return to Wycombe. As long as we then aren't in the same division! | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:04 - Mar 16 with 1153 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 11:17 - Mar 16 by Churchman |
Ta for that. According to Wiki Dozzell has made 51 appearances to date for QPR including Mickey Mouse competitions. I’ll be interested in how it goes for him, not least because I’ve very fond memories of his dad playing for us.
He’s coming up to 24 now and QPR look in turmoil along with a manager that hardly suits his style. I suspect he might move on this summer, but then I’m usually wrong on such things.
Not seen enough of Humphreys to judge but looking at Championship football, I don’t thing the gap to L1 is huge. Certainly isn’t if Norwich Sunderland was anything to go by. It is from Championship to PL, obviously. If they are to loan him, as was suggested on Blue Monday, they need to be careful to who and on what terms.
Hurst? Clueless. Alan Lee’s comments on him said it all. Basically he was so far out of his depth and the club in such a mess it was unreal. |
I imagine Dozzell will kick around mid range Championship clubs for a few more years as yet, but his career certainly isn;'t going where it could have done before that injury and then coming back from that into a shell of a club with no direction or purpose.
I'd have loved to have seen the likes of him, Downes, Nydam, Morris etc come into the squad and structure we currently have in place - where once you clear the hurdle of making the first team squad (which is a bit big) you enter an environment totally set up to succeed.
In fairness to mick, his tight control over footballing matters gave him the platform to develop and bring through young players but with what was above him they were the shakiest of foundations | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:28 - Mar 16 with 1076 views | Churchman |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:04 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
I imagine Dozzell will kick around mid range Championship clubs for a few more years as yet, but his career certainly isn;'t going where it could have done before that injury and then coming back from that into a shell of a club with no direction or purpose.
I'd have loved to have seen the likes of him, Downes, Nydam, Morris etc come into the squad and structure we currently have in place - where once you clear the hurdle of making the first team squad (which is a bit big) you enter an environment totally set up to succeed.
In fairness to mick, his tight control over footballing matters gave him the platform to develop and bring through young players but with what was above him they were the shakiest of foundations |
From what I’ve heard Mick drew the first team wagons into a circle and sort of ignored what was happening in the rest of the club (Dyer, Lee interviews) but I don’t think MMs style of playing suited Dozzell any more than it did McGoldrick. Mick made the best with what he had.
Back to AD, to come back from an injury that was a career threatener to the post MM shambles that was Hurst and Lambert can’t have helped.
I suspect Downes especially would have thrived in the current set up. Probably Dozzell too. It’s a shame really, but we can only look forwards and in contrast to the Evans years where the backdrop was decay, asset sweating and managers fighting gravity, we now have something to look forward to.
For players, they know they are in good hands at the club and that in itself will attract better ones - hopefully. The only caveat is the academy. Not quite sure where we are going with that given Ashton’s lukewarm comments on it. | | | |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:46 - Mar 16 with 1053 views | itfcjoe |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:28 - Mar 16 by Churchman |
From what I’ve heard Mick drew the first team wagons into a circle and sort of ignored what was happening in the rest of the club (Dyer, Lee interviews) but I don’t think MMs style of playing suited Dozzell any more than it did McGoldrick. Mick made the best with what he had.
Back to AD, to come back from an injury that was a career threatener to the post MM shambles that was Hurst and Lambert can’t have helped.
I suspect Downes especially would have thrived in the current set up. Probably Dozzell too. It’s a shame really, but we can only look forwards and in contrast to the Evans years where the backdrop was decay, asset sweating and managers fighting gravity, we now have something to look forward to.
For players, they know they are in good hands at the club and that in itself will attract better ones - hopefully. The only caveat is the academy. Not quite sure where we are going with that given Ashton’s lukewarm comments on it. |
There are big steps being made around recruitment in the academy, and feels like the resource is being put in place to be successful but it's such a long term thing that you'll struggle to place blame or credit......although as you know success will have lots of fathers and failures will be an orphan....
But Cameron Humphreys signed when Roy Keane was the manager, my eldest kid is in Year 1 at school and these are the age kids that will be going through the system from day dot under the new ownership and structure.
We've been quite poor in that U9-U14 level but have picked up above that because you can recruit from wider - but areas that were strong for us like other side of Colchester, Brentwood, etc we've lost out on boys from because we stopped running the minibus down the A12 that used to ferry likes of Nydam, Downes, Morris etc to training and all those boys would have ended up at Colchester instead and they regularly beat us well in the younger age groups. But that stuff is beginning to turn, but boys aren't going to leave academies to come here now we've got our act together, we just have to try and find what is left or what has been missed.
Apparently Billericay is the hotspot now that every team wants to get into for quality of footballers, but obviously the big London teams have an advantage there | |
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| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 16:54 - Mar 16 with 914 views | Radlett_blue |
| QPR ouch.... (n/t) on 13:28 - Mar 16 by Churchman |
From what I’ve heard Mick drew the first team wagons into a circle and sort of ignored what was happening in the rest of the club (Dyer, Lee interviews) but I don’t think MMs style of playing suited Dozzell any more than it did McGoldrick. Mick made the best with what he had.
Back to AD, to come back from an injury that was a career threatener to the post MM shambles that was Hurst and Lambert can’t have helped.
I suspect Downes especially would have thrived in the current set up. Probably Dozzell too. It’s a shame really, but we can only look forwards and in contrast to the Evans years where the backdrop was decay, asset sweating and managers fighting gravity, we now have something to look forward to.
For players, they know they are in good hands at the club and that in itself will attract better ones - hopefully. The only caveat is the academy. Not quite sure where we are going with that given Ashton’s lukewarm comments on it. |
Yes, that was the downside of Mick. He focused on the first XI & when he came, that was exactly what Town needed as we were free-falling into Division 3. His approach also took Town to the play offs eventually. If Mick had stayed, I doubt we would have been relegated but it wouldn't have been increasingly ugly football in front of diminishing crowds. | |
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