| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? 21:45 - Mar 18 with 6921 views | Brads |
Can’t keep losing the toss? I hate it. Can see the logic re marginal gains and starting well but don’t think the theory stacks up, if that’s what it is. It’s never quite the same first half so doubt it makes much difference and then we lose the potential advantage of the crowd being up if we’re building momentum and need a goal second half, when I think it can influence the game. |  | | |  |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:20 - Apr 7 with 1294 views | textbackup |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:02 - Apr 7 by Brads |
From what McKenna said at the forum about us choosing to attack towards our fans first half at away games (with the aim of helping us to start well), it seems likely that we’ve also chosen to kick towards the north first half at home. |
Said simile on Twitter earlier, and it makes sense, because once we have a lead, the gane seems to have only one outcome.
I know some love a last min winner, but I’d much rather get the game win in first 25mins and control it there on after |  |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:29 - Apr 7 with 1263 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:20 - Apr 7 by textbackup |
Said simile on Twitter earlier, and it makes sense, because once we have a lead, the gane seems to have only one outcome.
I know some love a last min winner, but I’d much rather get the game win in first 25mins and control it there on after |
Yeah could see the logic before KM articulated it, and the first goal has always been significant, just not convinced it ever really gets going enough first half to be of an equivalent advantage. Sounds like I’ll just have to get used to it though! | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:39 - Apr 7 with 1243 views | Stewart27 |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:29 - Apr 7 by Brads |
Yeah could see the logic before KM articulated it, and the first goal has always been significant, just not convinced it ever really gets going enough first half to be of an equivalent advantage. Sounds like I’ll just have to get used to it though! |
We’ve literally killed games off before half time since we’ve chosen to do this.
My heart says north second, but the head of our manager says first.
Surprise, surprise KM has it spot on. |  | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:45 - Apr 7 with 1225 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:39 - Apr 7 by Stewart27 |
We’ve literally killed games off before half time since we’ve chosen to do this.
My heart says north second, but the head of our manager says first.
Surprise, surprise KM has it spot on. |
One of the advantages of attacking towards North stand in the first half is that it means our opponents are not attacking the goal in front of their fans in the second half. |  |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:59 - Apr 7 with 1212 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:39 - Apr 7 by Stewart27 |
We’ve literally killed games off before half time since we’ve chosen to do this.
My heart says north second, but the head of our manager says first.
Surprise, surprise KM has it spot on. |
So we’ve only scored 1st half and won those games because we’ve attacked the north first? Ha! Come off it mate, obviously no way of determining exactly why we won but we’re at home in L1 with arguably the best squad, so the likelihood is we would have scored/won anyway, regardless of which end we attacked first.
I just don’t think the crowd ever really gets going enough 1st half to be equivalent to the advantage we’d get if we needed a goal 2nd half, when momentum is building and the crowd is really up. KM probably hasn’t been here long enough to experience that properly.
I just hope it’s not really a case of KM thinking it makes no difference at all so he’s not bothered either way, but plays the game because Ashton actually prefers us to attack the south second half because that’s where the premium seats are in the upper and corporate section in the lower ha! | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:00 - Apr 7 with 1210 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:45 - Apr 7 by Pinewoodblue |
One of the advantages of attacking towards North stand in the first half is that it means our opponents are not attacking the goal in front of their fans in the second half. |
Not getting the significant boost that their 24 fans give them? 😆 | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:17 - Apr 7 with 1172 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:59 - Apr 7 by Brads |
So we’ve only scored 1st half and won those games because we’ve attacked the north first? Ha! Come off it mate, obviously no way of determining exactly why we won but we’re at home in L1 with arguably the best squad, so the likelihood is we would have scored/won anyway, regardless of which end we attacked first.
I just don’t think the crowd ever really gets going enough 1st half to be equivalent to the advantage we’d get if we needed a goal 2nd half, when momentum is building and the crowd is really up. KM probably hasn’t been here long enough to experience that properly.
I just hope it’s not really a case of KM thinking it makes no difference at all so he’s not bothered either way, but plays the game because Ashton actually prefers us to attack the south second half because that’s where the premium seats are in the upper and corporate section in the lower ha! |
I've weighed up the pros and cons of what a successful, highly-analytical, professional football manager thinks, versus some random chap on a football messageboard, and I've decided to go with McKenna.
Ashton actually doesn't want us to attack where the premium seats are 2nd half as that's when the desserts come out and he doesn't want tiramisu on the new carpets. |  |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:24 - Apr 7 with 1153 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 22:00 - Mar 18 by Brads |
I’d agree if the noise levels were equivalent to what they can be second half if the team are having a go and we’re building momentum but don’t think they are so not sure it helps to win. |
Are you honestly thinking this when we've won the last 4 at home (kicking the 'wrong' way), scoring 13 odd goals? |  |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:26 - Apr 7 with 1134 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 09:59 - Apr 7 by Brads |
So we’ve only scored 1st half and won those games because we’ve attacked the north first? Ha! Come off it mate, obviously no way of determining exactly why we won but we’re at home in L1 with arguably the best squad, so the likelihood is we would have scored/won anyway, regardless of which end we attacked first.
I just don’t think the crowd ever really gets going enough 1st half to be equivalent to the advantage we’d get if we needed a goal 2nd half, when momentum is building and the crowd is really up. KM probably hasn’t been here long enough to experience that properly.
I just hope it’s not really a case of KM thinking it makes no difference at all so he’s not bothered either way, but plays the game because Ashton actually prefers us to attack the south second half because that’s where the premium seats are in the upper and corporate section in the lower ha! |
"but plays the game because Ashton actually prefers us to attack the south second half because that’s where the premium seats are in the upper and corporate section in the lower ha!"
As hot takes go, we're getting to Frimmers levels here. | |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:30 - Apr 7 with 1105 views | EdwardStone |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:17 - Apr 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've weighed up the pros and cons of what a successful, highly-analytical, professional football manager thinks, versus some random chap on a football messageboard, and I've decided to go with McKenna.
Ashton actually doesn't want us to attack where the premium seats are 2nd half as that's when the desserts come out and he doesn't want tiramisu on the new carpets. |
Errr....
I don't think that it is tiramasu on the carpets when we score |  | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:36 - Apr 7 with 1083 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:30 - Apr 7 by EdwardStone |
Errr....
I don't think that it is tiramasu on the carpets when we score |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:39 - Apr 7 with 1086 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:17 - Apr 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've weighed up the pros and cons of what a successful, highly-analytical, professional football manager thinks, versus some random chap on a football messageboard, and I've decided to go with McKenna.
Ashton actually doesn't want us to attack where the premium seats are 2nd half as that's when the desserts come out and he doesn't want tiramisu on the new carpets. |
Ha! I’ll back King KM to do what he thinks is best but it’s not something that can really be determined precisely by facts, analytics or professional experience, so a fans opinion is no less valid tbf. I’ve been in the ground long enough to have observed the differences in momentum/atmosphere and how the away teams react to that pressure. E.g. repeatedly slicing the ball out when pressure’s mounting and the crowd’s up etc, how often has that happened first half?
Main thing is it’s a footy decision anyway, not that we’ll ever know if it wasn’t. | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:45 - Apr 7 with 1070 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:24 - Apr 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Are you honestly thinking this when we've won the last 4 at home (kicking the 'wrong' way), scoring 13 odd goals? |
Well there’s no way of knowing and my main focus is on fan experience but I don’t think it makes a difference to most results. Are you suggesting that we’ve only won because we changed ends then? We’ve also won a lot of games kicking towards the south 1st half this season. Unsurprisingly, given that we’re one of the best sides in L1 and are expected to win most games. | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:48 - Apr 7 with 1069 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:39 - Apr 7 by Brads |
Ha! I’ll back King KM to do what he thinks is best but it’s not something that can really be determined precisely by facts, analytics or professional experience, so a fans opinion is no less valid tbf. I’ve been in the ground long enough to have observed the differences in momentum/atmosphere and how the away teams react to that pressure. E.g. repeatedly slicing the ball out when pressure’s mounting and the crowd’s up etc, how often has that happened first half?
Main thing is it’s a footy decision anyway, not that we’ll ever know if it wasn’t. |
I'm with you in that I don't like it. But I'm pretty sure it can be determined precisely by facts, analytics and professional experience. Certainly based on this current team and their high intensity tactics. [Post edited 7 Apr 2023 22:49]
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 11:17 - Apr 7 with 1044 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:26 - Apr 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"but plays the game because Ashton actually prefers us to attack the south second half because that’s where the premium seats are in the upper and corporate section in the lower ha!"
As hot takes go, we're getting to Frimmers levels here. |
You’re deliberately taking that out of context, was obviously meant to be tongue in cheek, hence the “ha” at the end. To be clear, I don’t think it’s likely to be the case because I believe that McKenna sees the value in it being a marginal gain.
Let’s not be naive enough to think that such ideas wouldn’t be possible in football though. Let’s say McKenna and his players aren’t bothered which end they attack because they don’t think it makes any difference (some managers have this opinion)…
Meanwhile, Ashton and his team, who are tasked with maxing the commercials, observe that a large percentage of their corporate clients who are seated in the south stand have traditionally got the raw end of the deal (it’s generally accepted that people prefer to be closer for 2nd half). They want to sell more tickets at higher prices in those areas. They’re also constantly discussing changes to who sits where in the ground and what works best etc…
Footballing decisions are obviously going to be prioritised but if there’s no preference, it’s not beyond the realms that such things could influence decisions. Man Utd put a corporate area in the middle of the Stretford End lower tier btw (removing it in the summer following criticism). & if Town were to break with tradition for a non footballing reason, it’s unlikely that they’d tell us the real reason. | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 11:21 - Apr 7 with 1017 views | Bluesky |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 21:51 - Mar 18 by BloomBlue |
Been saying for the last 4 seasons we need kick towards the North in the first half and we'll start winning more home games. |
Certainly if the sun is in the goalkeeper's eyes, first half. Keep those lobs coming! |  | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 11:32 - Apr 7 with 1010 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 10:48 - Apr 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm with you in that I don't like it. But I'm pretty sure it can be determined precisely by facts, analytics and professional experience. Certainly based on this current team and their high intensity tactics. [Post edited 7 Apr 2023 22:49]
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Well not precisely as there are unknown factors. It’s not an exact science so more subjective. You could compare first half south v north stats, and yeah they’re likely to be better…but those stats would be heavily influenced by an overall improvement in our form, including away games, new players etc. You’ll also never know how many we would have scored if we’d have attacked the opposite end first. So there’s not a right or wrong answer.
Anyway, I think I’m being slightly misunderstood here. I don’t think it makes a huge difference. I think we’ll potentially miss out on a second half advantage (greater than first half), when we eventually need a late winner so disagree with the logic somewhat. However, the main reason for my general interest is just that I prefer to attack the north second half because I’m up that end! I didn’t mean to get entrenched in a debate about which way is better, so I really must walk the dog now… | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 13:47 - Apr 7 with 906 views | clive_baker |
I feel like the 2nd half of games often becomes really ‘bitty’ what with ‘injuries’, time wasting, all the substitutions in the modern game. I think in terms of ball in play I’m sure the first half is optimum so I’m all in favour of using the 1st half to attack the north. Get our noses in front early, or in the case of a game like Morecambe it’s over by half time. |  |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 13:49 - Apr 7 with 899 views | Kropotkin123 |
I'm surprised people give a toss |  |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 17:04 - Apr 7 with 847 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 13:49 - Apr 7 by Kropotkin123 |
I'm surprised people give a toss |
Me either. We're winning game after game, but 'Brads' is more concerned with his 'fan experience'
Odd. | |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 18:04 - Apr 7 with 787 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 17:04 - Apr 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Me either. We're winning game after game, but 'Brads' is more concerned with his 'fan experience'
Odd. |
Ha. Are you enjoying us winning game after game? Or are you sat at home in Cheltenham posting on threads that you don’t care about and sniping at fellow fans because they have a different opinion to you? | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 18:36 - Apr 7 with 744 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 18:04 - Apr 7 by Brads |
Ha. Are you enjoying us winning game after game? Or are you sat at home in Cheltenham posting on threads that you don’t care about and sniping at fellow fans because they have a different opinion to you? |
Yes I am mate. Season ticket holder ta. | |
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| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 18:42 - Apr 7 with 737 views | Bluespeed225 |
All North Standers to move to Cobbold, it won't matter then? | | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 18:50 - Apr 7 with 699 views | RonFearonsHair |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 13:49 - Apr 7 by Kropotkin123 |
I'm surprised people give a toss |
What’s the alternative?
Rock, paper, scissors? |  | | |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 19:17 - Apr 7 with 651 views | Brads |
| Are we choosing to kick towards the north stand first half? on 18:36 - Apr 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yes I am mate. Season ticket holder ta. |
You going Monday? Party round yours if we attack the away end 2nd half… | | | |
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