| Lovely to see Charles.... 11:40 - Mar 30 with 3447 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
....among his people today.
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:12 - Mar 30 with 772 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:09 - Mar 30 by Herbivore |
Why would I aim racist remarks at African politicians? The OP is probably xenophobic, definitely silly, but why is it racist in your opinion? It relates to Charles' national heritage, not his ethnicity. |
Yes you’re right, xenophobic rather than racist. |  |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:18 - Mar 30 with 747 views | itfcjoe |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:00 - Mar 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Unless I missed something none of those people or GB's example are the head of an institution loved by nationalist, jingoistic, flag waving, subservient loons so it doesn't carry quite the same irony factor. Anyway carry on trying to feel virtuous some of you! |
Have you not seen the current Conservative party? |  |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:20 - Mar 30 with 738 views | Tractor_Buck |
Thought not. Thanks.
Why not though? They're all examples of leaders/heads of state visiting the land of their forebears, just the same as in your example. Like I said I can understand the point you are trying to make - abolish the monarchy, screw the privileged etc - but one rule for all surely? |  | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:26 - Mar 30 with 725 views | Herbivore |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:20 - Mar 30 by Tractor_Buck |
Thought not. Thanks.
Why not though? They're all examples of leaders/heads of state visiting the land of their forebears, just the same as in your example. Like I said I can understand the point you are trying to make - abolish the monarchy, screw the privileged etc - but one rule for all surely? |
It's not one rule for all though and nor should it be as you strip away a ton of important context. To bring it back to a football example, there's a world of difference between saying Gareth Bale looks like a chimp and saying a Black player looks like a chimp. You can't strip out context, which is why blueas' test is flawed. |  |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:28 - Mar 30 with 724 views | eireblue |
Hmmm….prompts a thought.
A description of racism.
“ Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.”
Is supporting a monarchy, e.g. being supportive of a group of people, that are in a minority, that have privilege and a position in society that is superior, purely based on birth, racist? |  | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:29 - Mar 30 with 720 views | Tractor_Buck |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:00 - Mar 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Unless I missed something none of those people or GB's example are the head of an institution loved by nationalist, jingoistic, flag waving, subservient loons so it doesn't carry quite the same irony factor. Anyway carry on trying to feel virtuous some of you! |
See Joe's point about the current Tory party and come back to me.
I'm not feeling virtuous about anything. I asked you a question and made it clear that I understood what you were trying to say. I was interested in what made you use that as an example when citing others in similar circumstances would in all likelihood end up with you being called out. It just seems like a really weird attack line, so I was trying to understand it a bit better, rather than head down the tried and trusted Ad Hominem route. | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:32 - Mar 30 with 713 views | Tractor_Buck |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:26 - Mar 30 by Herbivore |
It's not one rule for all though and nor should it be as you strip away a ton of important context. To bring it back to a football example, there's a world of difference between saying Gareth Bale looks like a chimp and saying a Black player looks like a chimp. You can't strip out context, which is why blueas' test is flawed. |
I'm not claiming racism, so you're probably best at aiming that at Blueas. And I certainly don't need guide to what racism is.
I thought 'attack this guy because of who he is' was a really strange line to take when if it was applied to other similar examples it would open the OP up to the kind of accusations being made on this thread, so I was trying to understand it better. | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:33 - Mar 30 with 703 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:26 - Mar 30 by Herbivore |
It's not one rule for all though and nor should it be as you strip away a ton of important context. To bring it back to a football example, there's a world of difference between saying Gareth Bale looks like a chimp and saying a Black player looks like a chimp. You can't strip out context, which is why blueas' test is flawed. |
That's daft. Saying a black person looks like a chimp is a vile racial stereotype. Saying it to a white person in meaningless.
Using xenophobic tropes against a wealthy and privileged person is still a xenophobic trope. | |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:39 - Mar 30 with 681 views | blueasfook |
You should have picked on Prince Andrew. Nobody is gonna stand up for him! |  |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:39 - Mar 30 with 681 views | leitrimblue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:20 - Mar 30 by Tractor_Buck |
Thought not. Thanks.
Why not though? They're all examples of leaders/heads of state visiting the land of their forebears, just the same as in your example. Like I said I can understand the point you are trying to make - abolish the monarchy, screw the privileged etc - but one rule for all surely? |
Surely there is an obvious difference here? The people you listed are all quite rightly proud of their ancestry and don't attempt to hide it. While Charlie and his family have spent their time distancing themselves from an trying to hide their German ancestry for some reason... |  | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:41 - Mar 30 with 677 views | clive_baker |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:39 - Mar 30 by blueasfook |
You should have picked on Prince Andrew. Nobody is gonna stand up for him! |
Careful, that's borderline racist. |  |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:44 - Mar 30 with 661 views | Tractor_Buck |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:39 - Mar 30 by leitrimblue |
Surely there is an obvious difference here? The people you listed are all quite rightly proud of their ancestry and don't attempt to hide it. While Charlie and his family have spent their time distancing themselves from an trying to hide their German ancestry for some reason... |
I don't know about you but I learned about the Windsor's ancestry when I was in primary school. All they've done is change their surname and that's not a secret.
My great Grandfather modified the spelling of my family name when he came to this country in 1900 ish in a (failed) attempt to protect himself and his family from xenophobia. I don't think anyone would have to do that now, but I'm sure he was no less proud of his heritage than anyone else. | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:47 - Mar 30 with 636 views | blueasfook |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:41 - Mar 30 by clive_baker |
Careful, that's borderline racist. |
Wasnt me. I was in Pizza Express. | |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:49 - Mar 30 with 630 views | leitrimblue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:44 - Mar 30 by Tractor_Buck |
I don't know about you but I learned about the Windsor's ancestry when I was in primary school. All they've done is change their surname and that's not a secret.
My great Grandfather modified the spelling of my family name when he came to this country in 1900 ish in a (failed) attempt to protect himself and his family from xenophobia. I don't think anyone would have to do that now, but I'm sure he was no less proud of his heritage than anyone else. |
My family also changed their name as recently as the 1950,s. But we are all quite proud of our heritage and have made little attempt to hide it. Not seen Charlie today but did he announce his proud ancestry at all? | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:53 - Mar 30 with 609 views | Tractor_Buck |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:49 - Mar 30 by leitrimblue |
My family also changed their name as recently as the 1950,s. But we are all quite proud of our heritage and have made little attempt to hide it. Not seen Charlie today but did he announce his proud ancestry at all? |
Does he have to when the entire country learned it at school? Or do you feel that everyone should go round wrapped in their ancestral flag to avoid accusations of hiding anything? | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:54 - Mar 30 with 601 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:49 - Mar 30 by leitrimblue |
My family also changed their name as recently as the 1950,s. But we are all quite proud of our heritage and have made little attempt to hide it. Not seen Charlie today but did he announce his proud ancestry at all? |
His dad was Greek.
The last German born male ancestor of his was born in 1819, not the bloody 1950's.
Do you know where your great, great great Grandad was born by any chance? [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 14:58]
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:56 - Mar 30 with 587 views | HARRY10 |
Yes, his race........our race
The human race
While I have no time for the royal family, it doesn't mean I wish any of them any ill, personally.
And you would have to go back to Charlies great grandparents to find any German blood. Mary of Teck, who was only half German - which means he is 1/16th German
I expect Bankruptcy is more a reflection on his ideas, than any political comment.
For the record I am a very small part Spanish, in that my fathers side originally came from the Western Isles of Scotland and it is believed some sailors from the Spanish Armada were shipwrecked there and procreated.
I did visit Tenerife some while back, but did not think I was among my people.... apart from there being a plane load from Manchester staying in the same hotel. |  | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:59 - Mar 30 with 571 views | leitrimblue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:54 - Mar 30 by GlasgowBlue |
His dad was Greek.
The last German born male ancestor of his was born in 1819, not the bloody 1950's.
Do you know where your great, great great Grandad was born by any chance? [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 14:58]
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Argh, yer sorry he's Dad was 'Greek', was just his sisters who were married to leading Nazis wasn't it? | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:01 - Mar 30 with 557 views | blueasfook |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:59 - Mar 30 by leitrimblue |
Argh, yer sorry he's Dad was 'Greek', was just his sisters who were married to leading Nazis wasn't it? |
Yes, the sisters that he never spoke to again. | |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:02 - Mar 30 with 548 views | leitrimblue |
Guessing he didn't mention reparations for the fortune he's family made from slavery by any chance? | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:07 - Mar 30 with 524 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:29 - Mar 30 by Tractor_Buck |
See Joe's point about the current Tory party and come back to me.
I'm not feeling virtuous about anything. I asked you a question and made it clear that I understood what you were trying to say. I was interested in what made you use that as an example when citing others in similar circumstances would in all likelihood end up with you being called out. It just seems like a really weird attack line, so I was trying to understand it a bit better, rather than head down the tried and trusted Ad Hominem route. |
Tbf Jo has a very fair point, however the government is not at the center of a nationalistic construct beloved of cap doffers in the same way as the monarchy. In essence the OP is more about the fawners than Charlie but perhaps everyone is over thinking it!
The virtuous thing wasn't aimed at you just a general point. | |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:07 - Mar 30 with 525 views | leitrimblue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:01 - Mar 30 by blueasfook |
Yes, the sisters that he never spoke to again. |
Didn't his favourite sister, the 1 who married her cousin and was a raving Nazi die in a plane crash in the 30,s? | | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:09 - Mar 30 with 512 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:59 - Mar 30 by leitrimblue |
Argh, yer sorry he's Dad was 'Greek', was just his sisters who were married to leading Nazis wasn't it? |
How the fcuk does that make him German? If my sister married a person of colour I'd still be white.
Christ, it's like arguing with a 5 year old at times. | |
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| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:13 - Mar 30 with 498 views | MattinLondon |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:39 - Mar 30 by blueasfook |
You should have picked on Prince Andrew. Nobody is gonna stand up for him! |
Apart from his late mum who gave him millions to pay-off his victims (sorry accusers). |  | | |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 15:17 - Mar 30 with 490 views | Herbivore |
| Lovely to see Charles.... on 14:33 - Mar 30 by GlasgowBlue |
That's daft. Saying a black person looks like a chimp is a vile racial stereotype. Saying it to a white person in meaningless.
Using xenophobic tropes against a wealthy and privileged person is still a xenophobic trope. |
You're essentially agreeing with me so not sure why you're saying it's daft. | |
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