| Photo id for voting 06:36 - May 5 with 2927 views | gtsb1966 |
is this a trial thing or is it now compulsory for all elections including the General election. The reason I ask is because I am reading this morning that a lot of people couldn't vote because they had no photo id . I think it's fair to say most of those people come from the poorest in our society or are young people who haven't got their driving licence or passport yet. Is this government deliberately targeting the people who probably wouldn't give them their vote or was this an independent decision. Either way it doesn't sit well with me. |  | | |  |
| Photo id for voting on 06:54 - May 5 with 2870 views | DanTheMan |
Compulsory.
You can apply to get a free voter ID ahead of time but as is usual with these things, either people didn't know and then turned up and couldn't vote, or they forgot etc.
It's just putting an unnecessary boundary in front of voting to solve a problem we don't have.
Doesn't sit well with me either. If we had mandatory government issued IDs it might be slightly less friction but as it is I just do not understand the point. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 07:08 - May 5 with 2841 views | Oldsmoker |
Some people were turned away because the address on their ID didn't match their polling card. The photo on the ID is supposed to establish that it is you presenting yourself. If the ID is out of date and shows an old address I can't see how that makes the image not a picture of you.
However, I've now had a chance to glance at the rules and it seems....
rule 11b) If they don't look like Tories then deny them the vote.
.... seems to cover this. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 07:16 - May 5 with 2821 views | Vaughan8 |
| Photo id for voting on 07:08 - May 5 by Oldsmoker |
Some people were turned away because the address on their ID didn't match their polling card. The photo on the ID is supposed to establish that it is you presenting yourself. If the ID is out of date and shows an old address I can't see how that makes the image not a picture of you.
However, I've now had a chance to glance at the rules and it seems....
rule 11b) If they don't look like Tories then deny them the vote.
.... seems to cover this. |
You are correct. The website says
"You can still use your photo ID if it's out of date, as long as it looks like you.
The name on your ID should be the same name you used to register to vote."
As you say, surely doesn't matter if the address is not correct? |  | | |
| Photo id for voting on 07:21 - May 5 with 2805 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Photo id for voting on 06:54 - May 5 by DanTheMan |
Compulsory.
You can apply to get a free voter ID ahead of time but as is usual with these things, either people didn't know and then turned up and couldn't vote, or they forgot etc.
It's just putting an unnecessary boundary in front of voting to solve a problem we don't have.
Doesn't sit well with me either. If we had mandatory government issued IDs it might be slightly less friction but as it is I just do not understand the point. |
Interesting that you mention national ID cards as this is exactly what Labour will introduce if they are the next government rather than scrap an unnecessary law. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 07:37 - May 5 with 2767 views | DanTheMan |
| Photo id for voting on 07:21 - May 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Interesting that you mention national ID cards as this is exactly what Labour will introduce if they are the next government rather than scrap an unnecessary law. |
It wouldn't surprise me. I'm not dead against national ID cards, it's not like the Government doesn't have data on who you are and where you live already.
It's all the fluff that goes with national IDs.
- Do you have to provide them if the police ask?
- Are they electronic?
- Where is the data stored?
- What data is stored?
- How easy and cheap are they to replace?
- Are you legally required to carry them?
etc. etc. | |
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| Photo id for voting on 07:42 - May 5 with 2756 views | DJR |
| Photo id for voting on 07:16 - May 5 by Vaughan8 |
You are correct. The website says
"You can still use your photo ID if it's out of date, as long as it looks like you.
The name on your ID should be the same name you used to register to vote."
As you say, surely doesn't matter if the address is not correct? |
Especially for students, who can vote in local elections both where the live and where they study, and can't have both addresses on any ID card. |  | | |
| Photo id for voting on 08:30 - May 5 with 2701 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Photo id for voting on 07:37 - May 5 by DanTheMan |
It wouldn't surprise me. I'm not dead against national ID cards, it's not like the Government doesn't have data on who you are and where you live already.
It's all the fluff that goes with national IDs.
- Do you have to provide them if the police ask?
- Are they electronic?
- Where is the data stored?
- What data is stored?
- How easy and cheap are they to replace?
- Are you legally required to carry them?
etc. etc. |
I’m all for them. One card to tick all boxes - drivers licence, NI, bus passes, railcards, proof of insurances, etc. One card loaded up with all your stuff, much like staff have for multiple electric door locks in large organisations. You wouldn’t even need the card ideally - just load it onto your phone like we do bank cards. We could even use it to travel in the EU if some tvvats hadn’t messed that up for us.
Data protection is an issue of course, but it seems better to have one robust system rather than the many potential points of failure we have now. All this data already exists, so I don’t see an argument in terms of privacy - we’d just be organising it differently. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 08:33 - May 5 with 2687 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Photo id for voting on 08:30 - May 5 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m all for them. One card to tick all boxes - drivers licence, NI, bus passes, railcards, proof of insurances, etc. One card loaded up with all your stuff, much like staff have for multiple electric door locks in large organisations. You wouldn’t even need the card ideally - just load it onto your phone like we do bank cards. We could even use it to travel in the EU if some tvvats hadn’t messed that up for us.
Data protection is an issue of course, but it seems better to have one robust system rather than the many potential points of failure we have now. All this data already exists, so I don’t see an argument in terms of privacy - we’d just be organising it differently. |
Maybe in the form of an implant to remove any risk of losing it! | |
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| Photo id for voting on 08:44 - May 5 with 2659 views | Pinewoodblue |
Judging by some comments on here yesterday it is mainly faux rage. People intended to go to vote without bringing the required ID simply as a means of protest. The need to produce ID was widely advertised on social media, back of buses etc.
There will have been a few idiots on duty at polling stations who over step the mark.
The introduction is an over reaction to problems experienced in a small number of constituencies in recent elections. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 08:48 - May 5 with 2649 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Photo id for voting on 08:33 - May 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Maybe in the form of an implant to remove any risk of losing it! |
Good idea, as I’m always losing one of the dozens of bits of proof we have to accumulate now. I like the idea of a bionic eye like in Terminator. | |
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| Photo id for voting on 08:55 - May 5 with 2621 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Photo id for voting on 06:54 - May 5 by DanTheMan |
Compulsory.
You can apply to get a free voter ID ahead of time but as is usual with these things, either people didn't know and then turned up and couldn't vote, or they forgot etc.
It's just putting an unnecessary boundary in front of voting to solve a problem we don't have.
Doesn't sit well with me either. If we had mandatory government issued IDs it might be slightly less friction but as it is I just do not understand the point. |
"I just do not understand the point."
The OP found the point: "this government deliberately targeting the people who probably wouldn't give them their vote."
Pretty obvious when you think that it's the Tories doing it. You either have to look at what's the most incompetent angle to anything they do, or the most evil. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 13:58 - May 5 with 2505 views | Oldsmoker |
| Photo id for voting on 08:33 - May 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Maybe in the form of an implant to remove any risk of losing it! |
They could inject the ID chip it into our bodies when they do the next vaccine booster.
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| Photo id for voting on 14:02 - May 5 with 2498 views | unbelievablue |
| Photo id for voting on 07:37 - May 5 by DanTheMan |
It wouldn't surprise me. I'm not dead against national ID cards, it's not like the Government doesn't have data on who you are and where you live already.
It's all the fluff that goes with national IDs.
- Do you have to provide them if the police ask?
- Are they electronic?
- Where is the data stored?
- What data is stored?
- How easy and cheap are they to replace?
- Are you legally required to carry them?
etc. etc. |
The last time they tried it it was a complete sh!t show and cost hundreds of millions in consultancy before being scrapped. I have no confidence it would be different this time. |  |
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| Photo id for voting on 14:13 - May 5 with 2482 views | J2BLUE |
You're posting this as if you've just realised. There is no way you haven't see that written on here 100 times over the last few weeks.
Edit: Sorry posted that during busy period at work, sounds a bit snippy reading it back. The point stands though, this has been mentioned a lot on here. [Post edited 5 May 2023 14:23]
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| Photo id for voting on 19:39 - May 7 with 2270 views | andytown |
| Photo id for voting on 07:08 - May 5 by Oldsmoker |
Some people were turned away because the address on their ID didn't match their polling card. The photo on the ID is supposed to establish that it is you presenting yourself. If the ID is out of date and shows an old address I can't see how that makes the image not a picture of you.
However, I've now had a chance to glance at the rules and it seems....
rule 11b) If they don't look like Tories then deny them the vote.
.... seems to cover this. |
Didn’t think address was relevant at all. I used my passport as ID on Thursday & there’s no address open it. | | | |
| Photo id for voting on 20:45 - May 7 with 2215 views | sohamblue74 |
| Photo id for voting on 08:55 - May 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"I just do not understand the point."
The OP found the point: "this government deliberately targeting the people who probably wouldn't give them their vote."
Pretty obvious when you think that it's the Tories doing it. You either have to look at what's the most incompetent angle to anything they do, or the most evil. |
Nail on head. A cynical Tory ploy.
Aimed to freeze out younger and / or poorer voters.
We need to get them out and keep them out. | | | |
| Photo id for voting on 23:03 - May 7 with 2136 views | Oldsmoker |
| Photo id for voting on 19:39 - May 7 by andytown |
Didn’t think address was relevant at all. I used my passport as ID on Thursday & there’s no address open it. |
You're right - the address isn't relevant.
So why was that person turned away?
My joke comment about 'not looking Tory' could be the reason. | |
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