| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways 17:57 - May 6 with 2679 views | noggin |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:01 - May 6 with 2642 views | J2BLUE |
They are out of sight of the cameras right? ffs, go and throw some cold water over them and move them on! |  |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:08 - May 6 with 2623 views | Swansea_Blue |
I hope they stood up during the anthem and are waving their flags!
It’s an interesting argument. I agree - the money would be better spent on people who need it. How far do you take that thought? You could maybe say football shouldn’t exist for the same reasons, or any activity or ‘thing’ that is awash with money. |  |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:17 - May 6 with 2598 views | noggin |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:08 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I hope they stood up during the anthem and are waving their flags!
It’s an interesting argument. I agree - the money would be better spent on people who need it. How far do you take that thought? You could maybe say football shouldn’t exist for the same reasons, or any activity or ‘thing’ that is awash with money. |
Football is a choice. | |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:48 - May 6 with 2537 views | grow_our_own |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:08 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I hope they stood up during the anthem and are waving their flags!
It’s an interesting argument. I agree - the money would be better spent on people who need it. How far do you take that thought? You could maybe say football shouldn’t exist for the same reasons, or any activity or ‘thing’ that is awash with money. |
People have been rightly focussing on the cost of today, but worth adding the incalculable corrosive effect monarchy has.
I love this country. I'm a patriot. I love the culture, music, sport, sense of humour, the climate (yes really), etc. But we're held back by the class system. And it's perpetuated by having monarchy as head of state. Royalists say it's harmless and ceremonial. But if you meet the PM for an hour a week regardless of the PM's schedule, if you're the only person outside cabinet to receive cabinet meeting notes, then you have influence and knowledge. You have power. This manifests in legistlative carve-outs: Charles' property company pays zero corporation tax (Duchy of Lancaster), same for William's (Duchy of Cornwall). Charles paid zero tax on his inheritance from Elizabeth. He's now worth nearly two billion.
But worst of all is the symbolism. Holding aloft this principle of hereditary, unearned privilege trickles down like acid. The honours system is a cesspit of cronyism. Just last week, the former CEO of the Post Office got a CBE. She presided over the Horizon scandal which wrongly accused innocent post masters of fraud, some of whom committed suicide. It's why, statistically we have among the worst social mobility in the rich world. Alumni of the tax-free private schools fill the top jobs in professions, govt, media, and Tufton Street think-tanks. The latter wang on about deregulation and Britannia Unchained. I'll tell you what Britannia Unchained looks like and it's not Trussonomics. It's unleashing peoples' potential. A republic. |  | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:53 - May 6 with 2503 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:17 - May 6 by noggin |
Football is a choice. |
It’s a choice to watch, but we can’t chose to stop the obscene spending in the game (by buying tickets and tv subscription we actively promote it). I’m just pointing out that there are plenty of things we spend money on that are less important than whether someone is able to eat or keep warm. | |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:54 - May 6 with 2487 views | J2BLUE |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:08 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I hope they stood up during the anthem and are waving their flags!
It’s an interesting argument. I agree - the money would be better spent on people who need it. How far do you take that thought? You could maybe say football shouldn’t exist for the same reasons, or any activity or ‘thing’ that is awash with money. |
The taxpayer funds football? | |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:00 - May 6 with 2449 views | brazil1982 |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:54 - May 6 by J2BLUE |
The taxpayer funds football? |
Much if the cost of policing, yes. |  | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:00 - May 6 with 2450 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:48 - May 6 by grow_our_own |
People have been rightly focussing on the cost of today, but worth adding the incalculable corrosive effect monarchy has.
I love this country. I'm a patriot. I love the culture, music, sport, sense of humour, the climate (yes really), etc. But we're held back by the class system. And it's perpetuated by having monarchy as head of state. Royalists say it's harmless and ceremonial. But if you meet the PM for an hour a week regardless of the PM's schedule, if you're the only person outside cabinet to receive cabinet meeting notes, then you have influence and knowledge. You have power. This manifests in legistlative carve-outs: Charles' property company pays zero corporation tax (Duchy of Lancaster), same for William's (Duchy of Cornwall). Charles paid zero tax on his inheritance from Elizabeth. He's now worth nearly two billion.
But worst of all is the symbolism. Holding aloft this principle of hereditary, unearned privilege trickles down like acid. The honours system is a cesspit of cronyism. Just last week, the former CEO of the Post Office got a CBE. She presided over the Horizon scandal which wrongly accused innocent post masters of fraud, some of whom committed suicide. It's why, statistically we have among the worst social mobility in the rich world. Alumni of the tax-free private schools fill the top jobs in professions, govt, media, and Tufton Street think-tanks. The latter wang on about deregulation and Britannia Unchained. I'll tell you what Britannia Unchained looks like and it's not Trussonomics. It's unleashing peoples' potential. A republic. |
Nicely summed up. My dislike of the monarchy is based on that privilege you mention, the access, power and things like tying up land just through an accident of birth, etc. It’s obscene. It wouldn’t be so bad if at least the monarch did act as a sense check on Parliament, but they don’t. So they seem utterly pointless to me.
I’m not arguing for the monarchy at all (I married to a Welsh nat who’d burn them at the stake if she could 🤣). I was simply commenting on the cost of the coronation which is chicken feed compared to other excesses. And we do do pomp well, that’s not arguable. Again I wasn’t making a case for it, but that seems self evident to me. | |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:33 - May 6 with 2374 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:54 - May 6 by J2BLUE |
The taxpayer funds football? |
Largely, no of course not. My comment was about inequality and the obscene wealth in some parts of society and poverty in others. In that context I don’t think it matters whether that excess is in the private sector or private. There’s lots of wealth in all sorts of places that could help irradiate poverty. The cost of the coronation would barely touch the sides. It is a waste though, I do agree with that. It’s just not the biggest problem. | |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:43 - May 6 with 2339 views | grow_our_own |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:00 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Nicely summed up. My dislike of the monarchy is based on that privilege you mention, the access, power and things like tying up land just through an accident of birth, etc. It’s obscene. It wouldn’t be so bad if at least the monarch did act as a sense check on Parliament, but they don’t. So they seem utterly pointless to me.
I’m not arguing for the monarchy at all (I married to a Welsh nat who’d burn them at the stake if she could 🤣). I was simply commenting on the cost of the coronation which is chicken feed compared to other excesses. And we do do pomp well, that’s not arguable. Again I wasn’t making a case for it, but that seems self evident to me. |
"if at least the monarch did act as a sense check on Parliament, but they don’t"
It's worse than that. If it's okay to give head of state to the undeserving, then why not membership of the second chamber? Apart from the cross-bench peers, the house of lords is full of talentless govt sicophants, hereditary peers, and bishops. Same principle applies.
France do presidential pomp well, and get loads more tourists than us. | | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:56 - May 6 with 2312 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:48 - May 6 by grow_our_own |
People have been rightly focussing on the cost of today, but worth adding the incalculable corrosive effect monarchy has.
I love this country. I'm a patriot. I love the culture, music, sport, sense of humour, the climate (yes really), etc. But we're held back by the class system. And it's perpetuated by having monarchy as head of state. Royalists say it's harmless and ceremonial. But if you meet the PM for an hour a week regardless of the PM's schedule, if you're the only person outside cabinet to receive cabinet meeting notes, then you have influence and knowledge. You have power. This manifests in legistlative carve-outs: Charles' property company pays zero corporation tax (Duchy of Lancaster), same for William's (Duchy of Cornwall). Charles paid zero tax on his inheritance from Elizabeth. He's now worth nearly two billion.
But worst of all is the symbolism. Holding aloft this principle of hereditary, unearned privilege trickles down like acid. The honours system is a cesspit of cronyism. Just last week, the former CEO of the Post Office got a CBE. She presided over the Horizon scandal which wrongly accused innocent post masters of fraud, some of whom committed suicide. It's why, statistically we have among the worst social mobility in the rich world. Alumni of the tax-free private schools fill the top jobs in professions, govt, media, and Tufton Street think-tanks. The latter wang on about deregulation and Britannia Unchained. I'll tell you what Britannia Unchained looks like and it's not Trussonomics. It's unleashing peoples' potential. A republic. |
Post of the year. |  | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 21:35 - May 6 with 2192 views | GeoffSentence |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 18:54 - May 6 by J2BLUE |
The taxpayer funds football? |
Well, London Stadium |  |
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| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 21:50 - May 6 with 2092 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:33 - May 6 by Swansea_Blue |
Largely, no of course not. My comment was about inequality and the obscene wealth in some parts of society and poverty in others. In that context I don’t think it matters whether that excess is in the private sector or private. There’s lots of wealth in all sorts of places that could help irradiate poverty. The cost of the coronation would barely touch the sides. It is a waste though, I do agree with that. It’s just not the biggest problem. |
Some posters are on here railing against tax dodging billionaires on a daily basis. When they are wearing a crown they seem happy to cheer them on. | | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 23:09 - May 6 with 1991 views | Vaughan8 |
The money is a lot, there is no doubt about that.
But when you think Bounce back loan fraud is going to be roughly £4-5billion, its doesn't seem quite so much! | | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 08:01 - May 7 with 1814 views | Churchman |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 23:09 - May 6 by Vaughan8 |
The money is a lot, there is no doubt about that.
But when you think Bounce back loan fraud is going to be roughly £4-5billion, its doesn't seem quite so much! |
I think you make an interesting point about cost. In real terms, compared to how this govt has hosed it up the wall on things like Covid loan fraud, isn’t huge. I’d add that Presidential inaugural ceremonies every four years in the US apparently cost $150-$200m.
I also don’t have much problem with events that seem a waste of public money like this or the Olympic Games. The Coronation was not my thing, but I watched it as Mrs C wanted to see it. I may be a bit of a miserable git, but plenty of people clearly got pleasure from it and that’s ok.
You can measure the cost but nobody has any idea of what financial or other benefits these things bring. In any case, when Cromwell got rid of all such things, including Christmas, the people got sick of that pretty quickly. It’s something Charles 2nd (the ‘merry monarch’ - not so merry for the Regicides!) certainly tapped into, not least because he enjoyed a good time.
No, my objection is the principle of monarchy, what it represents and supports as others on here have expressed far more eloquently than me. The concept of monarchy is something I’ve always been against, despite Cromwell’s mob being a miserable bunch. New Model Army for me! In any case Olly C, like Napoleon, turned himself into a quasi monarch anyway, even abolishing Parliament.
Clearly we need a head of state. I’m happy to do it, as long as it doesn’t interfere with the football! |  | | |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 08:05 - May 7 with 1805 views | Mullet |
| Meanwhile, just a mile away, his subjects are sleeping in shop doorways on 19:00 - May 6 by brazil1982 |
Much if the cost of policing, yes. |
Eh? That's a pathetically flawed argument. Policing is a miniscule cost in the whole industry of football. |  |
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