| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party 11:14 - May 10 with 2118 views | tractordownsouth |
Meaning that Laurence Fox is now the leader of a political party with parliamentary representation…
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 11:53 - May 10 with 2031 views | BlueBadger |
Imagine being chucked out of the current iteration of the Tory party for being too racist. |  |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 11:57 - May 10 with 2019 views | J2BLUE |
Meh. He's joined because there is nowhere else to go.
Reform can't claim any sort of victory here without a by-election. |  |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 12:08 - May 10 with 1998 views | MattinLondon |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 11:57 - May 10 by J2BLUE |
Meh. He's joined because there is nowhere else to go.
Reform can't claim any sort of victory here without a by-election. |
My ignorance and nativity is going to shine brightly now. But how can an MP represent an area in which the constitutes voted for another party?
Anyone with any self-worth or dignity would recognise this and call for a by-election rather than seat in the HoC collecting all of the perks that come with it.
Think I just answered my own question. |  | | |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 13:32 - May 10 with 1890 views | NthQldITFC |
Bridgen; The Gap. |  |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 14:52 - May 10 with 1771 views | Guthrum |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 12:08 - May 10 by MattinLondon |
My ignorance and nativity is going to shine brightly now. But how can an MP represent an area in which the constitutes voted for another party?
Anyone with any self-worth or dignity would recognise this and call for a by-election rather than seat in the HoC collecting all of the perks that come with it.
Think I just answered my own question. |
Because constituents vote for a representative, not for a party.
The fact that people do the latter shows how corrupted the system has become over these groupings, which aren't even centred around the issues for which they originally came together. They're just meaningless, self-perpetuating entities with their own labels and leaders, but not an awful lot of difference ideologically. What used to be temporary and fluid has become stagnant and habitual.
Once upon a time talented members of other factions could be enticed to join a government. Deals were done. What we'd now call coalitions. Presently, however, party loyalty is more important than running the country. Woe betide anyone who cooperates with another party to do something sensible! |  |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 14:59 - May 10 with 1742 views | Churchman |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 14:52 - May 10 by Guthrum |
Because constituents vote for a representative, not for a party.
The fact that people do the latter shows how corrupted the system has become over these groupings, which aren't even centred around the issues for which they originally came together. They're just meaningless, self-perpetuating entities with their own labels and leaders, but not an awful lot of difference ideologically. What used to be temporary and fluid has become stagnant and habitual.
Once upon a time talented members of other factions could be enticed to join a government. Deals were done. What we'd now call coalitions. Presently, however, party loyalty is more important than running the country. Woe betide anyone who cooperates with another party to do something sensible! |
Imagine voting for Bridgen regardless of which party he ‘represented’. Perhaps those that did should be banned from voting ever again on the grounds of insanity😃.
You are right though - it is a corrupt system and I guess most people do vote in a GE for the party over an individual. |  | | |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 15:32 - May 10 with 1689 views | MattinLondon |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 14:59 - May 10 by Churchman |
Imagine voting for Bridgen regardless of which party he ‘represented’. Perhaps those that did should be banned from voting ever again on the grounds of insanity😃.
You are right though - it is a corrupt system and I guess most people do vote in a GE for the party over an individual. |
At election time when the door knockers come all of the party candidates try to sell the manifesto and there’s little room for scope for personal views. For example, I doubt if a Labour or Tory candidate would go against the party line regarding Brexit etc.
They all simply appear to be clogs in the party machine rather than having some sense of individuality about them - well apart from some of the older guard from each party. | | | |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 15:50 - May 10 with 1648 views | Churchman |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 15:32 - May 10 by MattinLondon |
At election time when the door knockers come all of the party candidates try to sell the manifesto and there’s little room for scope for personal views. For example, I doubt if a Labour or Tory candidate would go against the party line regarding Brexit etc.
They all simply appear to be clogs in the party machine rather than having some sense of individuality about them - well apart from some of the older guard from each party. |
You are right. I confess I actually wouldn’t have minded being a politician, but your post is the very reason I wouldn’t have lasted five minutes. | | | |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 15:57 - May 10 with 1635 views | Ewan_Oozami |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 16:14 - May 10 with 1543 views | DJR |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 17:32 - May 10 with 1443 views | HARRY10 |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 14:52 - May 10 by Guthrum |
Because constituents vote for a representative, not for a party.
The fact that people do the latter shows how corrupted the system has become over these groupings, which aren't even centred around the issues for which they originally came together. They're just meaningless, self-perpetuating entities with their own labels and leaders, but not an awful lot of difference ideologically. What used to be temporary and fluid has become stagnant and habitual.
Once upon a time talented members of other factions could be enticed to join a government. Deals were done. What we'd now call coalitions. Presently, however, party loyalty is more important than running the country. Woe betide anyone who cooperates with another party to do something sensible! |
And therein lies then flaw with PR. I fully agree with the thought that he should stand again.
However this is one MP. PR means whole parties frequently engage in such snide behaviour. One of the causes of disquiet in Scottish politics was the decision by Sturgeon and others to change position on trans rights to prop up the SNP in the Scottish Parliament. Similar 'horse trading' is how we ended up with the Libdems propping up the Tory government in 2010.
One of their main vote winners was a claim by the Libdems to scrap tuition fees. One that was dumped as soon as a coalition was offered.
Given that every election for the past century or more would have resulted in a coalition it would have meant back room deals of this nature would be routine. Voters then find those representing you are backing something entirely different to what they campaigned on.
This was graphically shown in yesterdays Guardian. A Brexit style opinion piece on how wonderful PR would be was systematically destroyed by posts in the comments section. So much so that an almost unheard of act of closing the comments at 1.30pm was put in place. Comments were being taken down for no other reason other than they were pointing out the blindingly obvious.
Aside from all the obvious stuff about handing more power to Head Office there was the rallying cry that by gerrymandering the vote it would keep the Tories out of power 'forever'. It is based on the delusion that all the non Tory voters share common purpose and are in agreement on all matters. They are not. The other point being that while some of you may have thought I am not too partial towards the Tories, it can never be acceptable to block any party in this fashion.
All voices need to be hears - which in that light Bridgen should be required to have his voice heard on the hustings, and decided upon through the ballot box.
Greater scrutiny of MPs words and actions inside Parliament is what is needed, NOT less accountability. |  | | |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 18:03 - May 10 with 1388 views | BLUEGOLD |
I think you meant to say defecated | | | |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 19:30 - May 10 with 1306 views | BlueBadger |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 17:32 - May 10 by HARRY10 |
And therein lies then flaw with PR. I fully agree with the thought that he should stand again.
However this is one MP. PR means whole parties frequently engage in such snide behaviour. One of the causes of disquiet in Scottish politics was the decision by Sturgeon and others to change position on trans rights to prop up the SNP in the Scottish Parliament. Similar 'horse trading' is how we ended up with the Libdems propping up the Tory government in 2010.
One of their main vote winners was a claim by the Libdems to scrap tuition fees. One that was dumped as soon as a coalition was offered.
Given that every election for the past century or more would have resulted in a coalition it would have meant back room deals of this nature would be routine. Voters then find those representing you are backing something entirely different to what they campaigned on.
This was graphically shown in yesterdays Guardian. A Brexit style opinion piece on how wonderful PR would be was systematically destroyed by posts in the comments section. So much so that an almost unheard of act of closing the comments at 1.30pm was put in place. Comments were being taken down for no other reason other than they were pointing out the blindingly obvious.
Aside from all the obvious stuff about handing more power to Head Office there was the rallying cry that by gerrymandering the vote it would keep the Tories out of power 'forever'. It is based on the delusion that all the non Tory voters share common purpose and are in agreement on all matters. They are not. The other point being that while some of you may have thought I am not too partial towards the Tories, it can never be acceptable to block any party in this fashion.
All voices need to be hears - which in that light Bridgen should be required to have his voice heard on the hustings, and decided upon through the ballot box.
Greater scrutiny of MPs words and actions inside Parliament is what is needed, NOT less accountability. |
PR would effectively condemn Tory 'majorities' to the past as there wouldn't be millions of 'wasted' votes in places like....well, round most of Suffolk for starters. Worst case scenario, they'd have to act like grown-ups in collaboration with more moderate partners. | |
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| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 19:40 - May 10 with 1293 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Andrew Bridgen has defected to the Reclaim Party on 11:57 - May 10 by J2BLUE |
Meh. He's joined because there is nowhere else to go.
Reform can't claim any sort of victory here without a by-election. |
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