| What is the position with El-Miz? 08:38 - Jul 21 with 4185 views | GeoffSentence |
Recallable at this point? Might be a useful understudy to Taylor and Luongo if Morsy is tempted by Saudi. |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:43 - Jul 21 with 1013 views | Westcountryblue |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:37 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
We bought Morsy for £150k when he was already a well known and well established Champ player (and we were a L1 club), you'd expect that with the budget we'd have you could replace him
The only way he is worth £3-4m to us is if he is the difference between getting in the PL and not |
We picked up and improved his contract, allowing Middlesborough some space to move in the transfer market. Brought him when his stock was low. Inspired bit of business. |  | | |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:48 - Jul 21 with 986 views | the_toff |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:41 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
Joe you seemingly have a different view on how easy / hard it would be to replace Morsy ?
Who would you expect to pick up " with the budget we'd have" to replace Sam in all departments and to be able to hit the ground running bearing in mind how close we are to the start of the season ? |
I'm sure we probably could replace him, but that always comes with more risk than someone settled, proven, respected etc. What's to say in 6 months time Taylor isn't the main man in midfield and we're all sat here wondering whether it should be Morsy or Luongo alongside him? If he was 25 I would be more concerned (and I say this as someone who massively rates Morsy, I think he was POTS last year) but he's getting on, and maybe this just expedites an inevitable evolution in our midfield by a year or 2 but with the benefit of funds for a replacement. Ultimately its a risk v reward scenario, if it was a fee that made it worth taking the risk which we could reinvest in a younger player with a higher ceiling then OK. But as you say finding them isn't easy, and there here and now might be compromised.
I've not yet seen an example of the Saudi's paying over the market value by way of transfer fees, so the talk of £3m, £5m etc is far fetched. I can't see a fee too far north of £1m though, which wouldn't be worth it for me. But it's hard to keep a player against their wishes (not saying he wants to go, we'll have to wait and see) and ultimately it'll come down to what Morsy wants to do. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 9:53]
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:49 - Jul 21 with 979 views | tractorboy1978 |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:41 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
Joe you seemingly have a different view on how easy / hard it would be to replace Morsy ?
Who would you expect to pick up " with the budget we'd have" to replace Sam in all departments and to be able to hit the ground running bearing in mind how close we are to the start of the season ? |
We sold Downes for £1.5m a couple of summers ago - there are players out there. | | | |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:50 - Jul 21 with 979 views | the_toff |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:24 - Jul 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Wouldn't this just give Humphreys the opportunity to develop further.
Luongo becomes the Morsy and Taylor and Humphreys rotatw the other central position with Ball and Evans as backups. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 9:30]
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As promising as Humphreys is you really can't talk about him in the same bracket as Morsy. He's nowhere near that level of influence yet. | | | |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:51 - Jul 21 with 972 views | Vic |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:00 - Jul 21 by Westcountryblue |
Raises the question, is 2 good years from Sam Morsy worth 3-4m ?
Personally, i think he only improves our chances of making it back into the Premiership and they'd be a huge, gapping, 'leadership void on the pitch if he left the club. With some canny recruitment and scouting over the next 2 years, a successor could be found at a lower cost. |
I get that Morsy has been an excellent figure head and captain for the last couple of years. But the situation in the team is very different now to even 6 months ago. I look around a see several strong characters, players with the respect of the others, on pitch, which makes me think that as long as we can get a player of equal or greater quality to replace him, we may not miss his influence as much as we would have done a year ago.
I'd like to think that if we got £2m for him and added another £2m we'd get a very capable replacement. |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:53 - Jul 21 with 966 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:50 - Jul 21 by the_toff |
As promising as Humphreys is you really can't talk about him in the same bracket as Morsy. He's nowhere near that level of influence yet. |
No. But Luongo is and Taylor is on his way on that path too. It would just imo open the door further for Humphreys to get more minutes.
Stick either luongo or Taylor in the Morsy role. He's a miss but both of these are fully capable of filling that void. Not forgetting Ball and Evans. |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:59 - Jul 21 with 963 views | the_toff |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:53 - Jul 21 by FrimleyBlue |
No. But Luongo is and Taylor is on his way on that path too. It would just imo open the door further for Humphreys to get more minutes.
Stick either luongo or Taylor in the Morsy role. He's a miss but both of these are fully capable of filling that void. Not forgetting Ball and Evans. |
I think if Morsy does leave we'll 100% need a senior replacement to come in and fill the huge hole he'll leave.
Evans seemingly can't stay fit, and when fit is too slow and cumbersome on the ball for me. In 2 years here he's about about 8 good weeks of football, he's one I would move on regardless. | | | |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:59 - Jul 21 with 960 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:12 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
Why would £5m just automatically get us an upgrade ?
A player's worth is just that
Spunk £5m on a player doesn't make him an instant upgrade |
Ah, the Harry Maguire principle |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:59 - Jul 21 with 961 views | Guthrum |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:35 - Jul 21 by GeoffSentence |
Thanks Guthers, no recall until January, that was what I wanted to know.
As for the loss of reputation for trying to get him back now, where on the Ian Crook scale would that fall? |
Worse than Crook, that was a new manager coming in and persuading a player to change his mind. This would be a club reneging on a done deal which everyone was happy with at the time because they'd messed up a transfer situation. Who would be willing to take loans from us after that, if they're going to be snatched away on a whim? |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:04 - Jul 21 with 952 views | itfcjoe |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:41 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
Joe you seemingly have a different view on how easy / hard it would be to replace Morsy ?
Who would you expect to pick up " with the budget we'd have" to replace Sam in all departments and to be able to hit the ground running bearing in mind how close we are to the start of the season ? |
I think it would be a major blow to lose him, and if we do I'll be downgrading where I think we'll finish this season.
But ultimately, over his career, Morsy hasn't proven himself to be a top Championship midfielder - you'd hope that with a good budget to recruit from we should be able to find someone of equal quality with room to grow from here.
People have mentioned Downes, Swansea bought him for £1.5m and he became one of the best midfifelders in the league that season and earned an 8 figure move to West Ham. There are players out there, but don't think you'll be able to get the full package in year 1 but will need others to step up as well |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:20 - Jul 21 with 911 views | Metal_Hacker |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:04 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I think it would be a major blow to lose him, and if we do I'll be downgrading where I think we'll finish this season.
But ultimately, over his career, Morsy hasn't proven himself to be a top Championship midfielder - you'd hope that with a good budget to recruit from we should be able to find someone of equal quality with room to grow from here.
People have mentioned Downes, Swansea bought him for £1.5m and he became one of the best midfifelders in the league that season and earned an 8 figure move to West Ham. There are players out there, but don't think you'll be able to get the full package in year 1 but will need others to step up as well |
I think we need to consider the bigger picture . Live for the here and now not what could be if it lessens your chances
If we don't need to sell I don't think we should personally
Totally believe there are better players out there but he is so instrumental it would cost a LOT to replace with someone who would hit the ground running and if that lessens our chances for another season it just doesn't make sense to sell for selling sake |  |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:30 - Jul 21 with 903 views | tractorboy1978 |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:20 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
I think we need to consider the bigger picture . Live for the here and now not what could be if it lessens your chances
If we don't need to sell I don't think we should personally
Totally believe there are better players out there but he is so instrumental it would cost a LOT to replace with someone who would hit the ground running and if that lessens our chances for another season it just doesn't make sense to sell for selling sake |
A lot of it is driven by what he wants though. Hopefully he doesn't want to go, but if he's being offered 3 times his current take home salary on a 3 year deal and is keen to go, it is very hard to keep him at that point. You are then in just get the best deal you can territory. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 10:39]
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:31 - Jul 21 with 901 views | Guthrum |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:20 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
I think we need to consider the bigger picture . Live for the here and now not what could be if it lessens your chances
If we don't need to sell I don't think we should personally
Totally believe there are better players out there but he is so instrumental it would cost a LOT to replace with someone who would hit the ground running and if that lessens our chances for another season it just doesn't make sense to sell for selling sake |
I don't think we would sell for selling's sake, but there is going to be a monetary tipping-point beyond which it will be very hard to turn a deal down. Especially if the player themselves wants the move.
But I doubt this has come out of the blue and one would hope there's a list of potential replacements already being worked on if a departure is likely. | |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:34 - Jul 21 with 882 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 09:59 - Jul 21 by the_toff |
I think if Morsy does leave we'll 100% need a senior replacement to come in and fill the huge hole he'll leave.
Evans seemingly can't stay fit, and when fit is too slow and cumbersome on the ball for me. In 2 years here he's about about 8 good weeks of football, he's one I would move on regardless. |
Yep fair on Evans.
I know you mentioned a senior player... but what ever happened to that fella who I think played for Sunderland that everyone said could be the next morsy. | |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:36 - Jul 21 with 880 views | Metal_Hacker |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:31 - Jul 21 by Guthrum |
I don't think we would sell for selling's sake, but there is going to be a monetary tipping-point beyond which it will be very hard to turn a deal down. Especially if the player themselves wants the move.
But I doubt this has come out of the blue and one would hope there's a list of potential replacements already being worked on if a departure is likely. |
Totally agree Guthers and I'm not saying we shouldn't sell but my point being a "replacement" would cost more than I think most of us imagine
I honestly think we'd need to spend £5m+ to replace his attributes and can't see us getting much more than £1.5m-£2m which in the grand scheme of things is a good profit but then its the outlay from thereon in to replace - I'm also taking into account this "replacement" would potentially have a sell on value ...in theory (that's if the gamble works)
Just really don't think it's as easy as some may think - hopefully if it happens I'm proven wrong | |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:51 - Jul 21 with 861 views | Guthrum |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:36 - Jul 21 by Metal_Hacker |
Totally agree Guthers and I'm not saying we shouldn't sell but my point being a "replacement" would cost more than I think most of us imagine
I honestly think we'd need to spend £5m+ to replace his attributes and can't see us getting much more than £1.5m-£2m which in the grand scheme of things is a good profit but then its the outlay from thereon in to replace - I'm also taking into account this "replacement" would potentially have a sell on value ...in theory (that's if the gamble works)
Just really don't think it's as easy as some may think - hopefully if it happens I'm proven wrong |
Not sure it would be quite that much disparity, but equally agree that we will probably make a loss overall. Plus there is always the risk that the new player won't work out at Ipswich. | |
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| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:54 - Jul 21 with 847 views | GeoffSentence |
| What is the position with El-Miz? on 10:34 - Jul 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Yep fair on Evans.
I know you mentioned a senior player... but what ever happened to that fella who I think played for Sunderland that everyone said could be the next morsy. |
Jay Matete? Stil at Sunderland I think, did have a loan with Plymouth at the back end of last season. | |
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| El-Missionary? (n/t) on 10:59 - Jul 21 with 832 views | Bloots |
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