| Baggott on 21:50 - Aug 3 with 2389 views | Metal_Hacker |
Probably confirms we’re not far enough down the road with a new CB yet [Post edited 3 Aug 2023 21:58]
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| Baggott on 22:15 - Aug 3 with 2326 views | Bobsthename |
| Baggott on 21:50 - Aug 3 by Metal_Hacker |
Probably confirms we’re not far enough down the road with a new CB yet [Post edited 3 Aug 2023 21:58]
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We can’t seem to get one over the line i wonder why must be a reason. |  | | |
| Baggott on 22:20 - Aug 3 with 2312 views | BondiBlue |
| Baggott on 22:15 - Aug 3 by Bobsthename |
We can’t seem to get one over the line i wonder why must be a reason. |
Maybe the players aren't quite buying into the hype that the bookies and podcasters seem to be generating about us. Possibly waiting until january to see how we're going.
Either that or the owners are baulking at championship wages and/or don't want to rock the boat by paying some semi-proven 21yo twice as much our captain. | |
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| Baggott on 22:30 - Aug 3 with 2276 views | Coastalblue |
| Baggott on 22:15 - Aug 3 by Bobsthename |
We can’t seem to get one over the line i wonder why must be a reason. |
Maybe the ones we want aren't available at the moment? |  |
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| Baggott on 22:48 - Aug 3 with 2216 views | wkj |
| Baggott on 22:15 - Aug 3 by Bobsthename |
We can’t seem to get one over the line i wonder why must be a reason. |
One thing about GC20 is it seems they have a lot of these deals agreed in principle quite a while before the deals are formalised. I suspect our perception of missing targets might not be seen as all that accurate by the time the window shuts. |  |
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| Baggott on 22:53 - Aug 3 with 2200 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Baggott on 21:50 - Aug 3 by Metal_Hacker |
Probably confirms we’re not far enough down the road with a new CB yet [Post edited 3 Aug 2023 21:58]
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I assume we thought McNally would come here & we’re moving on to the next target now | | | |
| Baggott on 23:04 - Aug 3 with 2136 views | patrickswell |
It would be wonderful - though probably fanciful - to imagine a situation where Woolfenden and Baggott comprise our central defensive pairing, with Baggott taking to the Championship like Titus Bramble did the Premier League, back in the day. |  | | |
| Baggott on 23:53 - Aug 3 with 2041 views | BigCommon |
Stevenage may have been interested. But doesn't mean that we were interested in loaning Elkan there. Or if Elkan wants to even go there.
Didn't sound like an ideal loan move, imo.
Steve Evans renowned for "agricultural" style of play. And will most likely be battling lower down the division. Where the pressure and atmosphere can make for a moody and toxic environment.
Character building, I guess. But not ideal for Baggot imo.
I think he's better than a loan move to Stevenage. |  | | |
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| Baggott on 06:27 - Aug 4 with 1878 views | PioneerBlue |
| Baggott on 22:20 - Aug 3 by BondiBlue |
Maybe the players aren't quite buying into the hype that the bookies and podcasters seem to be generating about us. Possibly waiting until january to see how we're going.
Either that or the owners are baulking at championship wages and/or don't want to rock the boat by paying some semi-proven 21yo twice as much our captain. |
The bit about owners baulking at valuations.
This may be true but it is not how we operate these days (as I understand it).
There is separation between ownership / funding and operational management.
A plan and funding envelope (budget) is agreed on a 1-3 year basis and the operational management, that’s MA is this case go deliver to that plan and report periodically on performance to budget and status on short and long term goals (KPIs), they will be on and off pitch value creation based ie team performance and infrastructure improvement set against supporter satisfaction since this is one place where future revenue can be maintained and growth can come from.
I expect the risks now coming to be recognised are that we currently have little headroom in FFP therefore making it hard to compete financially with a) those with parachute payments, b) those whom have sold players for ++ millions in this window therefore creating additional headroom to spend. Demonstrated by transfer targets having to be rethought or pushed out pending sufficient FFP headroom which probability comes in a year or so. Outcome, additional funding may be required to drive accelerated performance but until we see what happens on the pitch there really is no case to answer. Until we see a struggle to compete or a little push required to break the top 6 how much additional funding is required. No one knows until October or December timeframe.
Watch this space, none of this means less appetite to get out of the league. The financial parameters changed for us upon promotion, it would not surprise if it took a window or two to adjust the squad for this league.
A pension fund isn’t like your dad who will keep chucking 50 quid at you whenever you want to go to the the pub. They want defined outcomes and will fund based on meeting goals that aLogan with the outcomes along the way. If you go awry due to lack of funding they will make decisions based on course correction. (Your dad sounds like a decent guy in this example). [Post edited 4 Aug 2023 7:55]
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| Baggott on 06:47 - Aug 4 with 1842 views | textbackup |
| Baggott on 22:53 - Aug 3 by BLUEGOLD |
I assume we thought McNally would come here & we’re moving on to the next target now |
Has 2 years of Ashton not shown you anything as yet?
Irons are in the fire in various places with him, and he’s consistently looking for the best deal for the club. |  |
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| Baggott on 07:27 - Aug 4 with 1784 views | BlueBoots |
| Baggott on 23:04 - Aug 3 by patrickswell |
It would be wonderful - though probably fanciful - to imagine a situation where Woolfenden and Baggott comprise our central defensive pairing, with Baggott taking to the Championship like Titus Bramble did the Premier League, back in the day. |
K McK has sounded impressed with Baggott's development this pre-season in interviews. We have Sunday - Wednesday - Saturday games this week, so I can't see us letting any players go for a couple of weeks with the few fitness doubts we have. Can see him getting a start in the cup game. |  |
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| Baggott on 07:49 - Aug 4 with 1745 views | BondiBlue |
| Baggott on 06:27 - Aug 4 by PioneerBlue |
The bit about owners baulking at valuations.
This may be true but it is not how we operate these days (as I understand it).
There is separation between ownership / funding and operational management.
A plan and funding envelope (budget) is agreed on a 1-3 year basis and the operational management, that’s MA is this case go deliver to that plan and report periodically on performance to budget and status on short and long term goals (KPIs), they will be on and off pitch value creation based ie team performance and infrastructure improvement set against supporter satisfaction since this is one place where future revenue can be maintained and growth can come from.
I expect the risks now coming to be recognised are that we currently have little headroom in FFP therefore making it hard to compete financially with a) those with parachute payments, b) those whom have sold players for ++ millions in this window therefore creating additional headroom to spend. Demonstrated by transfer targets having to be rethought or pushed out pending sufficient FFP headroom which probability comes in a year or so. Outcome, additional funding may be required to drive accelerated performance but until we see what happens on the pitch there really is no case to answer. Until we see a struggle to compete or a little push required to break the top 6 how much additional funding is required. No one knows until October or December timeframe.
Watch this space, none of this means less appetite to get out of the league. The financial parameters changed for us upon promotion, it would not surprise if it took a window or two to adjust the squad for this league.
A pension fund isn’t like your dad who will keep chucking 50 quid at you whenever you want to go to the the pub. They want defined outcomes and will fund based on meeting goals that aLogan with the outcomes along the way. If you go awry due to lack of funding they will make decisions based on course correction. (Your dad sounds like a decent guy in this example). [Post edited 4 Aug 2023 7:55]
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Great point, hence why they are talking about player trading. I suppose we need to get our heads around wanting individual players to do well this season so that we can sell them to the prem and reinvest. I'm looking at you, broadhead. | |
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| Baggott on 08:03 - Aug 4 with 1680 views | tommyboy1972 |
| Baggott on 06:27 - Aug 4 by PioneerBlue |
The bit about owners baulking at valuations.
This may be true but it is not how we operate these days (as I understand it).
There is separation between ownership / funding and operational management.
A plan and funding envelope (budget) is agreed on a 1-3 year basis and the operational management, that’s MA is this case go deliver to that plan and report periodically on performance to budget and status on short and long term goals (KPIs), they will be on and off pitch value creation based ie team performance and infrastructure improvement set against supporter satisfaction since this is one place where future revenue can be maintained and growth can come from.
I expect the risks now coming to be recognised are that we currently have little headroom in FFP therefore making it hard to compete financially with a) those with parachute payments, b) those whom have sold players for ++ millions in this window therefore creating additional headroom to spend. Demonstrated by transfer targets having to be rethought or pushed out pending sufficient FFP headroom which probability comes in a year or so. Outcome, additional funding may be required to drive accelerated performance but until we see what happens on the pitch there really is no case to answer. Until we see a struggle to compete or a little push required to break the top 6 how much additional funding is required. No one knows until October or December timeframe.
Watch this space, none of this means less appetite to get out of the league. The financial parameters changed for us upon promotion, it would not surprise if it took a window or two to adjust the squad for this league.
A pension fund isn’t like your dad who will keep chucking 50 quid at you whenever you want to go to the the pub. They want defined outcomes and will fund based on meeting goals that aLogan with the outcomes along the way. If you go awry due to lack of funding they will make decisions based on course correction. (Your dad sounds like a decent guy in this example). [Post edited 4 Aug 2023 7:55]
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This post should be pinned to the top of the page until the transfer window shuts! | | | |
| Baggott on 08:04 - Aug 4 with 1680 views | GeoffSentence |
| Baggott on 22:15 - Aug 3 by Bobsthename |
We can’t seem to get one over the line i wonder why must be a reason. |
Why do you think that is Bob? You have raised the same question before, so I guess you must have some thoughts on it.
Maybe all these centre backs don't want to come here because they are worried about the fire risk at Playford Road.
Or maybe it is that the big, ugly, grizzled fellas you need to play at CB like the rough, hard nature of a tough urban enviroment and beautiful Suffolk is just too soft for them. |  |
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| Baggott on 12:33 - Aug 4 with 1484 views | Wickets |
| Baggott on 22:15 - Aug 3 by Bobsthename |
We can’t seem to get one over the line i wonder why must be a reason. |
I think it's simply we have been aiming maybe very high so understandably other have been in for them and we have been outbid. No point in buying a player that is not an improvement on what we have , we will get the right deals done sooner or later . |  | | |
| Baggott on 12:41 - Aug 4 with 1441 views | Ryorry |
| Baggott on 08:03 - Aug 4 by tommyboy1972 |
This post should be pinned to the top of the page until the transfer window shuts! |
There'd still be a handful who'd be determined to ignore it! |  |
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| Baggott on 13:07 - Aug 4 with 1350 views | Rozz |
| Baggott on 07:49 - Aug 4 by BondiBlue |
Great point, hence why they are talking about player trading. I suppose we need to get our heads around wanting individual players to do well this season so that we can sell them to the prem and reinvest. I'm looking at you, broadhead. |
Probably true. If we don't have the headroom within FFP to land the calibre of player we want, then we need to generate it with good business. One of Bristol City's main gripes with Ashton was how hamstrung they were under FFP by year 3.
You can see in our business last year signing Broadhead, Clarke, Davis that we're not just looking for players to improve the team on the pitch but also with very high resale potential. Of them, I think Davis could be worth the biggest fee. |  | | |
| Baggott on 14:17 - Aug 4 with 1255 views | solemio |
| Baggott on 08:04 - Aug 4 by GeoffSentence |
Why do you think that is Bob? You have raised the same question before, so I guess you must have some thoughts on it.
Maybe all these centre backs don't want to come here because they are worried about the fire risk at Playford Road.
Or maybe it is that the big, ugly, grizzled fellas you need to play at CB like the rough, hard nature of a tough urban enviroment and beautiful Suffolk is just too soft for them. |
Yes, just like rural Suffolk was too soft for Hunter, Beattie etc. | | | |
| Baggott on 14:17 - Aug 4 with 1255 views | Churchman |
| Baggott on 22:30 - Aug 3 by Coastalblue |
Maybe the ones we want aren't available at the moment? |
Agreed and in addition maybe what is available isn’t considered any better than what we already have? The clue is in the phrase ‘not looking for squad fillers’. |  | | |
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