| Why is Ladapo Doubted? 09:07 - Aug 7 with 6344 views | whymark4lazio0 |
Last season he scored 17 league goals (21 in all competitions) despite being mainly used as a sub in the second half of the season.
He played a full season in the Championship and scored 9 league goals for a poor Rotherham side that was relegated.
His general play is good, he's a good team player and always give 100%. He's very strong with his back to goal and provides an excellent alternative to Hirst.
What's not to like?
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:03 - Aug 7 with 938 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:48 - Aug 7 by commuterblue |
What better decision? The square ball was not on |
Yes it was. He had two or three opportunities from when he received the ball to check and play a square pass to Ball, who was all alone and running into a central position. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:04 - Aug 7 with 936 views | commuterblue |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:51 - Aug 7 by FrimleyBlue |
People saying he couldn't cut back.. why not?
Didn't we have another player free alongside ball who freddie could have passed to? |
Yes, but how many strikers would play the ball behind when in on goal.
I could just be biased as I'm a massive Freddie fan. But apart from Henry in the invincibles I'm struggling to think of a striker that would play the ball behind in such a situation.
If he had done, and that player missed, everyone would be saying as a striker you have to be selfish and shoot. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:05 - Aug 7 with 936 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:17 - Aug 7 by DanTheMan |
I think he's a really good player, he just made a poor decision. If he makes the right one, we probably go 3-0 up and the game is very easy.
On Guthers point, I think he's got plenty of time to square it before getting into the box.
He's not a perfect player and pointing out things that could be done better doesn't mean people don't rate him. |
This in a nutshell.
Will you stop posting well-balanced stuff! | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:06 - Aug 7 with 928 views | bluelou |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:11 - Aug 7 by Guthrum |
People saying he should have crossed are forgetting the fact the defender was between him and Ball, preventing an easy pass. Checking would have lost the momentum and put the latter beyond where the ball would have gone. |
100% this.
Freddie is our number 9, got a shedload of goals last season and has always came on as a sub with the right attitude and got goals in important games.
Yet he got pelters yesterday for not squaring it to Dom f**king Ball when he'd already done enough to get in front of his man and get a shot off. Dom did the right job in making that run to give the defender just enough to think about but strikers are there to score goals.
Just how much does he have to do? | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:08 - Aug 7 with 908 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:04 - Aug 7 by commuterblue |
Yes, but how many strikers would play the ball behind when in on goal.
I could just be biased as I'm a massive Freddie fan. But apart from Henry in the invincibles I'm struggling to think of a striker that would play the ball behind in such a situation.
If he had done, and that player missed, everyone would be saying as a striker you have to be selfish and shoot. |
If you can pass to a teammate who is in a better position, you pass to him. Otherwise, you deservedly get pelters if you go it alone and miss.
If your teammate then misses an easier chance, it's his fault. Not yours. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:08 - Aug 7 with 904 views | Vaughan8 |
Seems like a scapegoat from yesterday. He did OK for me.
Hutchinson had a better opportunity to square it earlier and he seems to get no criticism. Very strange. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:11 - Aug 7 with 884 views | bluelou |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:06 - Aug 7 by bluelou |
100% this.
Freddie is our number 9, got a shedload of goals last season and has always came on as a sub with the right attitude and got goals in important games.
Yet he got pelters yesterday for not squaring it to Dom f**king Ball when he'd already done enough to get in front of his man and get a shot off. Dom did the right job in making that run to give the defender just enough to think about but strikers are there to score goals.
Just how much does he have to do? |
Lets not forget Freddie was making an important contribution at the back during that period also. Of course he had scuffles but he also won defensive headers more than once.
that said, I do agree that we may have done better at game management near the end. We did give the ball away more than we should have done in the first half of the 13 mins...by the end we were a bit calmer. | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:11 - Aug 7 with 882 views | nrb1985 |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:08 - Aug 7 by Vaughan8 |
Seems like a scapegoat from yesterday. He did OK for me.
Hutchinson had a better opportunity to square it earlier and he seems to get no criticism. Very strange. |
as I commented on another thread to you, one is a 19 year old kid and the other has played close to 400 senior games. | | | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:12 - Aug 7 with 877 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:06 - Aug 7 by bluelou |
100% this.
Freddie is our number 9, got a shedload of goals last season and has always came on as a sub with the right attitude and got goals in important games.
Yet he got pelters yesterday for not squaring it to Dom f**king Ball when he'd already done enough to get in front of his man and get a shot off. Dom did the right job in making that run to give the defender just enough to think about but strikers are there to score goals.
Just how much does he have to do? |
What he has to do is make a better decision.
Dan summed it up perfectly. There's no need to write-off the fella. But by the same token, if he makes a mistake, I have no problem if it is pointed out.
It was one mistake, but a bad one and could have proven costly. Thankfully it didn't. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:13 - Aug 7 with 872 views | Vaughan8 |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:11 - Aug 7 by nrb1985 |
as I commented on another thread to you, one is a 19 year old kid and the other has played close to 400 senior games. |
Thats just a lazy excuse (replied on the other thread) | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:15 - Aug 7 with 852 views | DanTheMan |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:59 - Aug 7 by commuterblue |
Watching it live I hadn't thought about the earlier pass to be fair.
Annoyingly it's not on the extended highlights. I'd like to have another look. |
Happy to be proven wrong, like you I've not watched it back. Could be he was blocked the whole way and he made the right decision. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:18 - Aug 7 with 831 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:08 - Aug 7 by Vaughan8 |
Seems like a scapegoat from yesterday. He did OK for me.
Hutchinson had a better opportunity to square it earlier and he seems to get no criticism. Very strange. |
Absolutely. The same should be levelled at Hutchinson (regardless of his age and experience). I'm sure these points and others will be worked on as part of the improvement that McKenna mentioned after the game. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:18 - Aug 7 with 831 views | nrb1985 |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:54 - Aug 7 by franz_tyson |
Harness was the one who pissed me off most. As you say, in extra time of extra time and gets the ball just outside our box. Time enough to lash it deep into their half and maybe out for a throw in. Would have wasted 10-15 seconds and taken play 40-50 yards up the pitch. Would have taken all the momentum out of Sunderland.What does he do? Tries a short pass and gives the ball away and we're back again defending deeply and forcing Hladky to save us in the dying seconds. What was he thinking?
But... we got away with it and fingers-crossed we will learn from it.
One weakness we had last season was injury time. We never won a game in injury time yet we lost points from late goals. I'll never forget Charlton. |
I don't think he does think, that's the problem. I think he's extremely fortunate to be a Championship player to be very honest - has never impressed me.
In the interests of balance and before someone opines " Yy R u ALwaYs NEguTif" - I thought there were some heroic performances yesterday. Notably Hladky who recovered brilliantly from a shaky start in the face of 40k people jeering and mocking his every touch. Takes some serious bottle that.Top man. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:19 - Aug 7 with 822 views | Stewart27 |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:16 - Aug 7 by NthQldITFC |
Plus he was actually in quite a decent position to shoot, himself, and although he blazed it over he hit it well, and it wasn't that different to Hirst's goal in some senses. Another day it goes in. |
I dunno about that.
In my eyes Hirst was never missing his chance. Where as for Freddie he was never scoring that.
I like Freddie by the way but the pass was on. Not necessarily when he shot but much earlier in that move. It was poor from him. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:20 - Aug 7 with 812 views | DJR |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:12 - Aug 7 by farkenhell |
What he has to do is make a better decision.
Dan summed it up perfectly. There's no need to write-off the fella. But by the same token, if he makes a mistake, I have no problem if it is pointed out.
It was one mistake, but a bad one and could have proven costly. Thankfully it didn't. |
He's a striker who went for goal and missed a very difficult chance.
I am not sure you can call it a mistake, any more than you can call Davis's shot cleared off the line a mistake.
I really don't get why some players appear to get so much more stick than others. |  | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:20 - Aug 7 with 802 views | nrb1985 |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:13 - Aug 7 by Vaughan8 |
Thats just a lazy excuse (replied on the other thread) |
It's not lazy - I think it's correct that senior players are held to a higher standard than 19 year old debutants. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:21 - Aug 7 with 794 views | DJR |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:19 - Aug 7 by Stewart27 |
I dunno about that.
In my eyes Hirst was never missing his chance. Where as for Freddie he was never scoring that.
I like Freddie by the way but the pass was on. Not necessarily when he shot but much earlier in that move. It was poor from him. |
There's no comparison between the difficulty of the two chances. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:23 - Aug 7 with 783 views | le2blue |
He's a top League One striker, but there is a reason no other Championship teams want him now or last summer. We're aiming for the top end of the championship and we need another intelligent striker to compete with Hirst and to link play and act as the platform for our other strikers to build from, hence why we offered so much for Ellis Simms and will sign someone else who can push us on and potentially be a Premier League player.
Freddie will end up at Derby I suspect. |  | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:26 - Aug 7 with 764 views | ArnieM |
I think his first touch often lets him down and decision making. He’s most effective actually in the box. He’s not quick enough out if it. But overall he’s a hot or cold player. We need another striker I feel. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:27 - Aug 7 with 755 views | DJR |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:54 - Aug 7 by franz_tyson |
Harness was the one who pissed me off most. As you say, in extra time of extra time and gets the ball just outside our box. Time enough to lash it deep into their half and maybe out for a throw in. Would have wasted 10-15 seconds and taken play 40-50 yards up the pitch. Would have taken all the momentum out of Sunderland.What does he do? Tries a short pass and gives the ball away and we're back again defending deeply and forcing Hladky to save us in the dying seconds. What was he thinking?
But... we got away with it and fingers-crossed we will learn from it.
One weakness we had last season was injury time. We never won a game in injury time yet we lost points from late goals. I'll never forget Charlton. |
But McKenna chose to bring on Harness in preference to, say, Evans, Taylor or Ball.
Harness performed a similar function well in the Derby, Bolton, Peterborough and Barnsley games, but the step-up in the quality and intensity yesterday meant he did struggle, but perhaps no more than the starting 11 in the first 20 minutes. [Post edited 7 Aug 2023 10:30]
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:30 - Aug 7 with 725 views | Vaughan8 |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:27 - Aug 7 by DJR |
But McKenna chose to bring on Harness in preference to, say, Evans, Taylor or Ball.
Harness performed a similar function well in the Derby, Bolton, Peterborough and Barnsley games, but the step-up in the quality and intensity yesterday meant he did struggle, but perhaps no more than the starting 11 in the first 20 minutes. [Post edited 7 Aug 2023 10:30]
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Actually a good point. The first 11 struggled to start with so the guys coming on had to deal with the increased pace of the game etc when coming on.
I think we are being a bit harsh on some player considering they've played 15-20 mins of a game.
McKenna clearly feels these players are capable. Its not like we had a load of youngsters on the bench. We had plenty of options. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:34 - Aug 7 with 709 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:20 - Aug 7 by DJR |
He's a striker who went for goal and missed a very difficult chance.
I am not sure you can call it a mistake, any more than you can call Davis's shot cleared off the line a mistake.
I really don't get why some players appear to get so much more stick than others. |
The mistake was that he chose to go it alone rather than pass to a teammate in a better position. Having chosen to do that, he then beat the defender beautifully, struck a powerful shot and very nearly scored a great goal from a difficult angle. However, there's no getting away from the fact that he could and should have passed to Ball.
I agree with you that he does seem to get more stick than others and I don't know why. Perhaps forwards (and goalkeepers) come in for a disproportionate amount of criticism if/when they make a mistake? | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:47 - Aug 7 with 678 views | itfcjoe |
I think it's clear that Hirst was a big upgrade on him, so that if possible we try and get a second striker of Hirst's quality into the squad as they effectively play 1 complete game between the 2 number 9s in the squad.
It also means we very much need one, because if we go with just Ladapo and Hirst, then we are in a position where any injury to them means we can't play the forward rotation like we have done so succesfully |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:53 - Aug 7 with 662 views | Pinewoodblue |
Freddie will do fine in the Championship. He won’t score 20 goals though but no way will we score 100+ goals this season, would be more than happy with 75 goals & 75 points*. That would require 15 from Freddie and he is more than capably of that.
You want your attacking players to go for goal at every opportunity, like Chaplin did when he hit the bar. The pace of the game was quicker Freddie saw his chance and went for it. Like me he probably wasn’t expecting Dom Ball to be the most advanced Town player.
*75/75 gives a good chance of making play offs and we still have 4 weeks remaining this window. I’m also sure if we are well placed by years end that we will strengthen in January if opportunities are available. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:57 - Aug 7 with 639 views | DJR |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:53 - Aug 7 by Pinewoodblue |
Freddie will do fine in the Championship. He won’t score 20 goals though but no way will we score 100+ goals this season, would be more than happy with 75 goals & 75 points*. That would require 15 from Freddie and he is more than capably of that.
You want your attacking players to go for goal at every opportunity, like Chaplin did when he hit the bar. The pace of the game was quicker Freddie saw his chance and went for it. Like me he probably wasn’t expecting Dom Ball to be the most advanced Town player.
*75/75 gives a good chance of making play offs and we still have 4 weeks remaining this window. I’m also sure if we are well placed by years end that we will strengthen in January if opportunities are available. |
Dom Ball has scored four goals in his entire career. | | | |
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