| Why is Ladapo Doubted? 09:07 - Aug 7 with 6338 views | whymark4lazio0 |
Last season he scored 17 league goals (21 in all competitions) despite being mainly used as a sub in the second half of the season.
He played a full season in the Championship and scored 9 league goals for a poor Rotherham side that was relegated.
His general play is good, he's a good team player and always give 100%. He's very strong with his back to goal and provides an excellent alternative to Hirst.
What's not to like?
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:00 - Aug 7 with 1071 views | BigCommon |
People don't rate a player, and look for faults.
Wait til Burgess mistimes a tackle. The melt down will be crazy.
Tough match for all the subs to come into and be up to speed from the off. It's obvious KM will have a chat with them and demand a bit more.
First game of the season, both sides had 1 or 2 rusty looking players.
Fred has improved his all round game since he came here. Scored a bag full of goals. Massive part of our promotion . And cost us nothing in transfer fees.. Brilliant signing, and well loved by most. [Post edited 7 Aug 2023 11:17]
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:12 - Aug 7 with 1023 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:57 - Aug 7 by DJR |
Dom Ball has scored four goals in his entire career. |
Five if you count Trophy games. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:27 - Aug 7 with 1009 views | portmanking |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:53 - Aug 7 by Pinewoodblue |
Freddie will do fine in the Championship. He won’t score 20 goals though but no way will we score 100+ goals this season, would be more than happy with 75 goals & 75 points*. That would require 15 from Freddie and he is more than capably of that.
You want your attacking players to go for goal at every opportunity, like Chaplin did when he hit the bar. The pace of the game was quicker Freddie saw his chance and went for it. Like me he probably wasn’t expecting Dom Ball to be the most advanced Town player.
*75/75 gives a good chance of making play offs and we still have 4 weeks remaining this window. I’m also sure if we are well placed by years end that we will strengthen in January if opportunities are available. |
He's only ever scored more 15+ goals twice in his career - both at third tier level. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:34 - Aug 7 with 994 views | BigCommon |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:27 - Aug 7 by portmanking |
He's only ever scored more 15+ goals twice in his career - both at third tier level. |
By that yardstick, you wouldnt have Hirst in the side...
Playing under McKenna and his staff, is a new era for all these players. If you're going to judge a player. You need only to judge them on how they've played under KM. Which also applies to any new signings we might bring in. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:40 - Aug 7 with 975 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:00 - Aug 7 by BigCommon |
People don't rate a player, and look for faults.
Wait til Burgess mistimes a tackle. The melt down will be crazy.
Tough match for all the subs to come into and be up to speed from the off. It's obvious KM will have a chat with them and demand a bit more.
First game of the season, both sides had 1 or 2 rusty looking players.
Fred has improved his all round game since he came here. Scored a bag full of goals. Massive part of our promotion . And cost us nothing in transfer fees.. Brilliant signing, and well loved by most. [Post edited 7 Aug 2023 11:17]
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I like freddie. I wanted him at town.
But his overall game isn't good enough to take town to the next level now that he's helped us to get to the championship. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:43 - Aug 7 with 978 views | Dyland |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:34 - Aug 7 by BigCommon |
By that yardstick, you wouldnt have Hirst in the side...
Playing under McKenna and his staff, is a new era for all these players. If you're going to judge a player. You need only to judge them on how they've played under KM. Which also applies to any new signings we might bring in. |
Agree Ladders deserves a chance, and I also think he'll get a few. But Hirst is clearly a different level and the analogy doesn't work for that reason.
I know what you mean though, re coaching and that. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:55 - Aug 7 with 952 views | Dyland |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 09:46 - Aug 7 by FrimleyBlue |
Hirst has shown over his time with us that he not only is attackingly important. But he helps us defend too.
Freddie isn't the same. He ll jog back and get involved but not to the same level. Also Hirsts movement brings in other players and creates space for the likes of Chaplin. With freddie it's more rigid and he's there for anything that falls into the box.
He's a handy player. But with more minutes in games now we need someone who can do pretty much the same job as Hirst. |
"Also Hirsts movement brings in other players and creates space for the likes of Chaplin. With freddie it's more rigid and he's there for anything that falls into the box."
Not a good example of their different levels. Ladapo was excellent at creating space for the wide players before Hirst arrived in January. This was constantly pointed out to his detractors at the time. Is Hirst a cut above at bringing other players in? Yes, probably, just as he is in pretty much every area.
That's not to say Freddie can't be an important player for us this season, and yeh I know you called his addition early ;) | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:58 - Aug 7 with 944 views | Whos_blue |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:40 - Aug 7 by FrimleyBlue |
I like freddie. I wanted him at town.
But his overall game isn't good enough to take town to the next level now that he's helped us to get to the championship. |
Are we judging this on one substitute appearance in our first league game in the Championship for 4 years, or pre season and all of last season?
It feels a tad early to write him off for the season? |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:02 - Aug 7 with 921 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:55 - Aug 7 by Dyland |
"Also Hirsts movement brings in other players and creates space for the likes of Chaplin. With freddie it's more rigid and he's there for anything that falls into the box."
Not a good example of their different levels. Ladapo was excellent at creating space for the wide players before Hirst arrived in January. This was constantly pointed out to his detractors at the time. Is Hirst a cut above at bringing other players in? Yes, probably, just as he is in pretty much every area.
That's not to say Freddie can't be an important player for us this season, and yeh I know you called his addition early ;) |
No. Freddie was good at holding the ball waiting to pass to the 10s. With Hirst it's more his movement which helps the 10 find gaps and work the ball between themselves and our wide players. | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:10 - Aug 7 with 903 views | BigCommon |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:40 - Aug 7 by FrimleyBlue |
I like freddie. I wanted him at town.
But his overall game isn't good enough to take town to the next level now that he's helped us to get to the championship. |
That may be true. And I'd agree that we need another striker, anyway, just for some more legs/ cover...
Thing is, I don't see us just binning off Freddy and neither do I think he deserves it. For me, you don't just throw away 20 goals out of the side. I'd just rather some people got behind him, at times.
He's had 20 minutes this season. Not much to go on, imo. Let's see how he is after 10-12 appearances. If he's on 4 or 5 goal involvements by then. It will be a good
contribution, especially if it's mostly off the bench.
If he's really struggling, and missing chances and looks unable to adjust to Championship after being given a decent crack. Then it's a different story, imo. But you could lump a few players into that category. We simply won't know, or be able to do much about it, util the next window. In the mean time, I just feel better trying to get behind, whoever weve got in our squad.. | | | |
| He created space for the other players on 12:13 - Aug 7 with 904 views | Dyland |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:02 - Aug 7 by FrimleyBlue |
No. Freddie was good at holding the ball waiting to pass to the 10s. With Hirst it's more his movement which helps the 10 find gaps and work the ball between themselves and our wide players. |
Believe me, I saw the whole play from the North innit :) | |
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| He created space for the other players on 12:16 - Aug 7 with 889 views | FrimleyBlue |
| He created space for the other players on 12:13 - Aug 7 by Dyland |
Believe me, I saw the whole play from the North innit :) |
Good for you. | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:44 - Aug 7 with 854 views | chicoazul |
Who can possibly guess. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:46 - Aug 7 with 848 views | chicoazul |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 10:20 - Aug 7 by DJR |
He's a striker who went for goal and missed a very difficult chance.
I am not sure you can call it a mistake, any more than you can call Davis's shot cleared off the line a mistake.
I really don't get why some players appear to get so much more stick than others. |
It’s weird isn’t it. I wonder why? | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 13:08 - Aug 7 with 822 views | DJR |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:58 - Aug 7 by Whos_blue |
Are we judging this on one substitute appearance in our first league game in the Championship for 4 years, or pre season and all of last season?
It feels a tad early to write him off for the season? |
Just think of the criticism Freddie would have had had we drawn or lost.
In contrast, say, Chaplin didn't have a particularly good game yesterday as evidenced by his TWTD rating, and can sometimes be hit and miss anyway, but he never seems to come in for any criticism.
At the end of the day the players are playing for our team, so let's get behind them, rather than trying to look for faults. [Post edited 7 Aug 2023 13:09]
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 13:10 - Aug 7 with 814 views | DJR |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:46 - Aug 7 by chicoazul |
It’s weird isn’t it. I wonder why? |
I was wondering that too. [Post edited 7 Aug 2023 13:12]
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 13:50 - Aug 7 with 768 views | Horsham |
I don’t particularly think Freddie is a striker to play in a leading championship team and also I absolutely love what Hirst brings us but to be absolutely fair I’m not sure in that moment Hirst would have done anything different.
As I said I really like Hirst but he’s not perfect either. |  | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:15 - Aug 7 with 752 views | Herbivore |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 11:58 - Aug 7 by Whos_blue |
Are we judging this on one substitute appearance in our first league game in the Championship for 4 years, or pre season and all of last season?
It feels a tad early to write him off for the season? |
He wrote Baggott off after a 10 minute cameo in the Preston preseason friendly, so this counts as one of Frimmers' more solidly evidenced opinions. Make of that what you will. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:27 - Aug 7 with 724 views | Mullet |
Hirst has a ceiling, is seen as the man who can take us up a level whilst Freddie is probably at the peak of his powers playing for us in the Champ. It's unlikely in 3-5 years time they'll be in the same trajectory.
Freddie should have passed to Ball, he got the smell of a goal and the blinkers came on, there will be times when that pays off and scores at some point this season. However, like Hladky people have made their minds up about the player and are looking for evidence to support that. It pulls the whole narrative in both directions and creates a lot of noise around what was essentially a game of good and bad for everyone.
If Freddie fails it's easier to write into the emotional cost, but if Hirst fails it's a much bigger and bitterer blow to take. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:46 - Aug 7 with 698 views | burnbudgiesburn |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 12:46 - Aug 7 by chicoazul |
It’s weird isn’t it. I wonder why? |
Ask Cameron Burgess.
Some fans believe certain players have their 'level' and won't improve with coaching at a higher one. | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:50 - Aug 7 with 679 views | farkenhell |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:27 - Aug 7 by Mullet |
Hirst has a ceiling, is seen as the man who can take us up a level whilst Freddie is probably at the peak of his powers playing for us in the Champ. It's unlikely in 3-5 years time they'll be in the same trajectory.
Freddie should have passed to Ball, he got the smell of a goal and the blinkers came on, there will be times when that pays off and scores at some point this season. However, like Hladky people have made their minds up about the player and are looking for evidence to support that. It pulls the whole narrative in both directions and creates a lot of noise around what was essentially a game of good and bad for everyone.
If Freddie fails it's easier to write into the emotional cost, but if Hirst fails it's a much bigger and bitterer blow to take. |
For me, I get a tad frustrated, in that Freddie is clearly capable of genuine "off yer seat" moments (for example, Peterborough and Charlton away last year) but not often enough perhaps. That said, it is more difficult to have an impact when coming on with only 20 minutes or so left and less time to get up to speed in the game.
Everyone makes mistakes, including top strikers in the game (apart from the late, great Paul Mariner of course). | | | |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:56 - Aug 7 with 661 views | itfcjoe |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:46 - Aug 7 by burnbudgiesburn |
Ask Cameron Burgess.
Some fans believe certain players have their 'level' and won't improve with coaching at a higher one. |
Players will have a level though, and whilst you can build the best possible environment for players to flourish in looking at (like I presume McKenna does, or will do similar) the four corners FA coaching model, generally coaching wise the 'improvement' in players is around the other areas of football - i.e. psychological, physical and social opposed to the technical side of the games. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 15:02 - Aug 7 with 645 views | Herbivore |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:56 - Aug 7 by itfcjoe |
Players will have a level though, and whilst you can build the best possible environment for players to flourish in looking at (like I presume McKenna does, or will do similar) the four corners FA coaching model, generally coaching wise the 'improvement' in players is around the other areas of football - i.e. psychological, physical and social opposed to the technical side of the games. |
At the same time, the likes of Rickie Lambert and Grant Holt hadn't done much in their careers before their late 20s, they then hit the Championship with some momentum behind them from League 1 and then held their own in the Prem. Ladapo was really good last season and seems to be playing the best football of his career, I think he's got enough about him to be a handful at this level. | |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 15:04 - Aug 7 with 645 views | Kropotkin123 |
Hold up play and touch mean we have less threat from him, but also the whole front line. Though some overstate it, we shouldn't pretend he doesn't have gaps in his overall play. |  |
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| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 15:04 - Aug 7 with 643 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Why is Ladapo Doubted? on 14:15 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
He wrote Baggott off after a 10 minute cameo in the Preston preseason friendly, so this counts as one of Frimmers' more solidly evidenced opinions. Make of that what you will. |
Not quite based on one game and there was also another poster who hadn't thought he looked improved. He did follow that up with a solid game tho. Let's hope he continues.
On Freddie. I love freddie. I wanted freddie. But he's done his job which was to help get us up. I don't feel he's a champ player however | |
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