| Transfer business 14:38 - Aug 17 with 8614 views | tractorboy1978 |
From EADT - "On signings - Town can be selective. Had 24 outfield players training, he'd trust any to play this weekend. In that way, they're in a better position than a lot of squads.
He does, however, feel like "quality players" need to be added to the group, but the pool of targets isn't huge. Hoping to make signings in the next couple of weeks, but happy with the squad."
Sounds like we are going to wait on our 'high end' top targets right until the latter stages of the window and if we don't get them then we will go with what we have. |  | | |  |
| Transfer business on 22:32 - Aug 17 with 1156 views | BigCommon |
I think our current status comes into play with the sort of "upgrades" we might be wanting...On the inside, we are an upwardly mobile club. With The Prem in sight, great owners, great management and coaching staff, huge crowds and buzz about the place.... From the outside, we are a newly promoted Division 3 club...
If we can impress in the first few months of life in The Championship. Then it may be easier to turn the heads of said upgrades. If this window remains unexceptional, I'm sure plenty of seeds would have been planted, for, perhaps January or next Summer. When we may well be a better proven, proposition, to players at the higher end of our transfer spectrum . Players that KM actually wants...
For the record. I'm happy with our squad. I think we are comfortably mid table, with a chance of play offs, as it is. Which would be a decent showing and signs of progress imo.... Injuries? Suspensions? Same for everyone else in the division. |  | | |
| Well the fact that both KM.... on 22:55 - Aug 17 with 1095 views | jayessess |
| Well the fact that both KM.... on 17:56 - Aug 17 by Bloots |
....and MA have stated our desire to bring players in then I suspect that they think we need additions.
But maybe you are correct.
Also I reckon that we could probably find a player that is better than Burns, but not as good as Mbappe if we looked hard enough.
Still, not to worry, lets stick with the players we've got and hope for the best. |
The club should be constantly looking to improve wherever we can, using the budget we've got available. No-one suggesting otherwise.
That doesn't mean we desperately need to upgrade or that the current players aren't capable of contributing well. McKenna and Ashton made active decisions to have almost all of them around, they're here for that reason. [Post edited 17 Aug 2023 23:22]
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| Transfer business on 00:39 - Aug 18 with 1026 views | BlueBadger |
| Transfer business on 15:58 - Aug 17 by chicoazul |
Don’t know if you noticed but we didn’t make the play offs? Chico was right again. |
You are basically what happens when Frimers buys a copy of 'Atlas Shrugged'. |  |
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| Transfer business on 00:58 - Aug 18 with 1019 views | Westcountryblue |
I think the transfer business conducted so far has been OK. However, a lot of hard work will have to be done over the next couple of weeks. 2-3 key acquisitions could really take us to that next level and make us a force in this division.
With all this talk of fees, it think it's important to remember how much some of the current squad would be valued at. The likes of Chaplin, Broadhead, Davis, Woolfie, Clarke and Burns would not be cheap to buy at this level. We have a lot of multi-million pound assets currently in the squad. | | | |
| Vincent-Young......? on 01:33 - Aug 18 with 1007 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Vincent-Young......? on 15:50 - Aug 17 by Bloots |
....Slicker is just a replacement for Coleman.
Hirst was already here and Taylor is a replacement for Camara.
I wouldn't say we are particularly weaker, but we certainly aren't stronger despite moving to a stronger league.
We need additions, you can't judge our prospects on two league matches. |
Yeah, we spent 1.5m on a player who got 9 goals and 6 assists from centre mid across 46 games to replace a player who was accredited with playing 1min of league one football. "Certainly aren't any stronger"?
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| Vincent-Young......? on 06:12 - Aug 18 with 978 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Vincent-Young......? on 01:33 - Aug 18 by Kropotkin123 |
Yeah, we spent 1.5m on a player who got 9 goals and 6 assists from centre mid across 46 games to replace a player who was accredited with playing 1min of league one football. "Certainly aren't any stronger"?
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The squad hasn’t particularly been strengthened if they’re looking at making a run for top 6 though? And, like many have pointed out, if you go back through Ashtons quotes since the end of last season, and even during last season (Joe made a good post yesterday with them all on), then it’s clear we’re not in this division to make up the numbers.
Taylor and Hirst are good signings, great to have them on permanent deals. But we’ve signed a 3rd choice youth keeper to help with our squad registration and an 18 year old youth player from Chelsea in his first loan spell. These kind of loan spells only ever really work 2 ways … he takes a few weeks to get in the side, but when he does he absolutely rips it up … or he gets recalled in January as he can’t get anywhere near the team.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, whilst I certainly think McKenna has improved every single player he’s worked with, there’s a reason why the likes of Burns, Burgess, Harness and Jackson (amongst a few) have spent their careers in League 1.
This isn’t me criticising Ashton, because he’s done an absolutely incredible job in such a short space of time to turn this club around from where it has been. But then I also don’t particularly go over the top with him either. Look, I’m sure he’s well aware, but the first sign of the club standing still and not matching the ambitions of McKenna, then we’ll lose him.
It’s a big couple of weeks left in the window, and if we’re looking to attack this league (Ashtons words, not mine), then we’re 3 players, minimum, from doing that. |  |
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| Vincent-Young......? on 06:53 - Aug 18 with 947 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Vincent-Young......? on 06:12 - Aug 18 by Kieran_Knows |
The squad hasn’t particularly been strengthened if they’re looking at making a run for top 6 though? And, like many have pointed out, if you go back through Ashtons quotes since the end of last season, and even during last season (Joe made a good post yesterday with them all on), then it’s clear we’re not in this division to make up the numbers.
Taylor and Hirst are good signings, great to have them on permanent deals. But we’ve signed a 3rd choice youth keeper to help with our squad registration and an 18 year old youth player from Chelsea in his first loan spell. These kind of loan spells only ever really work 2 ways … he takes a few weeks to get in the side, but when he does he absolutely rips it up … or he gets recalled in January as he can’t get anywhere near the team.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, whilst I certainly think McKenna has improved every single player he’s worked with, there’s a reason why the likes of Burns, Burgess, Harness and Jackson (amongst a few) have spent their careers in League 1.
This isn’t me criticising Ashton, because he’s done an absolutely incredible job in such a short space of time to turn this club around from where it has been. But then I also don’t particularly go over the top with him either. Look, I’m sure he’s well aware, but the first sign of the club standing still and not matching the ambitions of McKenna, then we’ll lose him.
It’s a big couple of weeks left in the window, and if we’re looking to attack this league (Ashtons words, not mine), then we’re 3 players, minimum, from doing that. |
That's a lot of text addressing points I didn't make... and none of it changes that we have improved upon the squad. We haven't lost anyone we will miss. Taylor is measurably better than Camara.
Our squad improvements may be incremental, but they are still improvements. Ashton's also said the aim each season is to improve. Not first, second, play offs, survival - improve.
You can say what you want as many times as you want, but repeating something doesn't make it true. A push on the top six is about more than individual talent, it is the strength of the team. Being more than the sum of its parts. | |
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| Vincent-Young......? on 07:10 - Aug 18 with 935 views | NthQldITFC |
| Vincent-Young......? on 06:12 - Aug 18 by Kieran_Knows |
The squad hasn’t particularly been strengthened if they’re looking at making a run for top 6 though? And, like many have pointed out, if you go back through Ashtons quotes since the end of last season, and even during last season (Joe made a good post yesterday with them all on), then it’s clear we’re not in this division to make up the numbers.
Taylor and Hirst are good signings, great to have them on permanent deals. But we’ve signed a 3rd choice youth keeper to help with our squad registration and an 18 year old youth player from Chelsea in his first loan spell. These kind of loan spells only ever really work 2 ways … he takes a few weeks to get in the side, but when he does he absolutely rips it up … or he gets recalled in January as he can’t get anywhere near the team.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, whilst I certainly think McKenna has improved every single player he’s worked with, there’s a reason why the likes of Burns, Burgess, Harness and Jackson (amongst a few) have spent their careers in League 1.
This isn’t me criticising Ashton, because he’s done an absolutely incredible job in such a short space of time to turn this club around from where it has been. But then I also don’t particularly go over the top with him either. Look, I’m sure he’s well aware, but the first sign of the club standing still and not matching the ambitions of McKenna, then we’ll lose him.
It’s a big couple of weeks left in the window, and if we’re looking to attack this league (Ashtons words, not mine), then we’re 3 players, minimum, from doing that. |
I generally agree with most of what you're saying, but I'd take issue with one thing:
'...there’s a reason why the likes of Burns, Burgess, Harness and Jackson (amongst a few) have spent their careers in League 1.'
There's not one reason why those players have spent most of their careers in League 1 so far - it's not an absolute, fixed gradation that they fall below a 'good enough for the Championship' line and that's that.
It's a combination of factors and variables and where they've been mentally in relevant moments of their careers so far. It's the same thing with why a team doesn't just settle into a position between transfer windows and just stay there. As you say, McKenna (and The McKenna Environment) has improved every single player he's worked with.
All players have performance 'bands' for any number of different aspects of their capabilities. They perform at different levels on those bands depending on local and temporal influences, and the limits on those bands are constantly changing through things like coaching and ageing.
I'd say most or all of our first team squad are capable, with the right ongoing coaching and motivation, of playing consistently at a Championship level, particularly when they are being used, as McKenna does, with intelligence and consideration for their strengths in any given situation. |  |
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| Transfer business on 07:26 - Aug 18 with 908 views | cressi |
| Transfer business on 21:55 - Aug 17 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Realistically none of us are saying we're going up atm. It's been a fantastic start but most are sensible enough to know top 6 would be a really good season and modtable is what we might expect.
Thus far nothing suggests otherwise, early days that it is.
The business had been solid, most agree we need 1 or 2 more to be really competitive. There is no point in bringing in players for the sake of it, they have to add to and improve the squad |
No Blueandtrue not been rude they don't have to come here to improve the squad as Ashton said in a matter of words improve the first 11 starting basically May be a fortnight after arriving but playing. | | | |
| Vincent-Young......? on 11:34 - Aug 18 with 806 views | jayessess |
| Vincent-Young......? on 07:10 - Aug 18 by NthQldITFC |
I generally agree with most of what you're saying, but I'd take issue with one thing:
'...there’s a reason why the likes of Burns, Burgess, Harness and Jackson (amongst a few) have spent their careers in League 1.'
There's not one reason why those players have spent most of their careers in League 1 so far - it's not an absolute, fixed gradation that they fall below a 'good enough for the Championship' line and that's that.
It's a combination of factors and variables and where they've been mentally in relevant moments of their careers so far. It's the same thing with why a team doesn't just settle into a position between transfer windows and just stay there. As you say, McKenna (and The McKenna Environment) has improved every single player he's worked with.
All players have performance 'bands' for any number of different aspects of their capabilities. They perform at different levels on those bands depending on local and temporal influences, and the limits on those bands are constantly changing through things like coaching and ageing.
I'd say most or all of our first team squad are capable, with the right ongoing coaching and motivation, of playing consistently at a Championship level, particularly when they are being used, as McKenna does, with intelligence and consideration for their strengths in any given situation. |
And the thing with the likes of Burns, Burgess, Harness, Donacien and Jackson showing they can contribute well at this level is that you can up the risk level on some of your transfer business.
For me, the early season promise allows you not to settle for more getable targets, it gives you a bit of leeway to wait for your top targets to be available and to absorb the risk that those deals don't ultimately materialise. | |
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| Transfer business on 11:37 - Aug 18 with 794 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Transfer business on 07:26 - Aug 18 by cressi |
No Blueandtrue not been rude they don't have to come here to improve the squad as Ashton said in a matter of words improve the first 11 starting basically May be a fortnight after arriving but playing. |
We play as a squad. There is every chance a Keogh type player comes in who doesn't play many games but lifts the squad and provides experience and insight.
Any player coming in that improves the starting 11 automatically therfore improves the squad |  |
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| Transfer business on 11:42 - Aug 18 with 776 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Transfer business on 22:12 - Aug 17 by tractorboy1978 |
The owners, Ashton and McKenna don't want to be mid table though. I think the target amongst a lot of fans is lower than it is within the club. |
That maybe true but it doesn't change that post promotion a top 10 finish would be a solid build on what's been achieved so far and if the aim within the club is top 6 this year then all the more reason to make sure we don't bring in filler.
Has to be the right players or there is just no point. | |
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| Transfer business on 20:59 - Aug 18 with 672 views | Wickets |
And most agree its the right way to go . |  | | |
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