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I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna 10:40 - Sep 4 with 5475 views

actually does know exactly what to do.

Perhaps we should appreciate all his players more (they do seem to be a great set of characters that always give 100%) and enjoy the journey while we're lucky enough to keep him.

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I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna (n/t) on 12:54 - Sep 4 with 1376 views

Lion

Are you trying to start a sing song? I can't help reading this and singing in my head;
...' he knows exactly what we need, wolfy at the back...'
And you're right m8, he does

[Post edited 4 Sep 2023 12:55]

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I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:54 - Sep 4 with 1372 views

ChampionsofInnsbruck

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:18 - Sep 4 by farkenhell

Can I try to put to bed this point about developing loan players for the parent club? The players are with us for the whole season. Yes, of course the coaching staff will be working hard to improve them. But this is for our benefit and to improve our performances and results this season. Beyond that is frankly incidental and irrelevant. People said the same when Hirst joined and look at the impact he had for us last season. Hutchinson and Scarlett may not hit the same heights for us this season, but there are already positive signs with Hutch, after remarkably few games. Unlike with Jewell and Lamberk, the majority of players belong to us (including the spine of the team) and in that context, there is nothing wrong imo with adding a couple of loan players. And, of course, I hope they do improve during the season. For our benefit.

Rant over- my apologies!

I am happy to be proven wrong, but as a general rule I would prefer we signed and developed players long term for our own use. As I said, I can't say I thought Scarlett looked like a Championship quality player last season, that's not saying he couldn't be, but when we're mixing it up with much better teams this season I would have expected us to go out and pay some money for an established Championship forward, rather than loan someone else's youth team player in.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:10 - Sep 4 with 1340 views

Churchman

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:54 - Sep 4 by ChampionsofInnsbruck

Of course it’s preferable to have ‘our’ players. Ross Stewart and Simms would have been good. Cost: £18m.

As it is, we brought Hirst in for a fraction and if the loanees prove a success for a season, it’s better than infringing FFP and/or causing disharmony with astronomic wages at this stage.

Maybe go for an old bloke who can ‘do a job?’. There are a few pension seekers out there but what value is there in squeezing a year out of a hasbeen? You may as well take a loan or two and you never know, like Hirst and Luongo, they might buy into it and want to stay.

I will always prefer players who are ours, but in this day and age with the rules as they are, we need to make best use of the loan system if we can.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:15 - Sep 4 with 1331 views

vilanovablue

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:54 - Sep 4 by ChampionsofInnsbruck

Scarlett was played out of position in a Portsmouth team which was a bit all over the place. I am happy to judge him on how he does here. McKenna clearly rates him and I also suspect has a plan as to how he wants to best utilise him. Given the number of chances we create he could potentially have a field day here against tiring defenders which even in the Championship is still a thing.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:22 - Sep 4 with 1302 views

burnbudgiesburn

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:18 - Sep 4 by farkenhell

You will also notice that loan players in championship sides are a thing now, and all sides utilise it. Even Burnley with parachute payments used the loan market well last season.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:22 - Sep 4 with 1302 views

whymark4lazio0

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:18 - Sep 4 by farkenhell

Also- they're on loan from top 6 clubs (or should be given how much they spend) so unless the loanees are sensational (which obvs would not be a bad outcome) and if, by some miracle we do get promoted, we might be able to buy one or two for our first season back in the Premier League. If it takes us a few seasons to get promoted and we're seen as the best club to develop outsranding Premier League prospects then that's also a good outcome. We have these opportunities precisely because McKenna is so widely respected and trusted.

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No one is disagreeing with your first sentence on 13:26 - Sep 4 with 1294 views

Dyland

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:54 - Sep 4 by ChampionsofInnsbruck

It's a pretty vacuous statement actually.

Here's a current example...

Edwards wants regular game time. Fine, and fair play. He may have been able to push Burns but instead we've got in someone who (arguably and potentially) is better. That has to be a loan if we can't afford the right player on a permanent. Would I have preferred Edwards given more time in that Burns sub role? Yeh for sure but it hasn't happened. We don't even need to get into if he's good enough re end product, it's just the reality of a nuanced and highly fluid business (football squads and transfer activity).

By all accounts we tried to bring in another forward on a permanent (Simms e.g?) but have been unable to get the right deal done. This happens at every club. So we have Scarlett. And without being a provocative knob, what do you know vs McKenna and team? Fack all actually.

:) x

(Smiley kiss etc. cos I honestly am not trying to be rude, just making a point innit)

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I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:39 - Sep 4 with 1262 views

monkeymagic

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:10 - Sep 4 by Churchman

Agree that it’s preferable to own players but when they’re with us for a year, it doesn’t really make much difference:even someone on a 3 year contract can up sticks next summer. Ok, you look to get a decent free but there’s no guarantee of making a profit. The right loans can make a very positive difference and means you get to see players who we are unlikely to be able to afford to buy. Having a solid core of 8 ish long term first teasers is key for me.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:41 - Sep 4 with 1253 views

_clive_baker_

Football fans are very reactionary, we've certainly got a lot in our fanbase. If we concede a goal so and so is sh1t, or lose a game and we're crap, we need new players. Score a goal and suddenly he's a world beater who should play every week (until he has an off day of course, then he should be sold immediately).

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:47 - Sep 4 with 1231 views

Vaughan8

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 12:52 - Sep 4 by ChampionsofInnsbruck
Walton is out injured. Slicker and Hayes wouldn't be ideal to start cold in the Championship. Hladky has done well enough, but what if he was injured or his form dropped? We don't have a ready made Championship keeper in the squad. If we loaned in an experienced Championship goalkeeper for the period Walton is out as cover, I would feel a lot safer.

I'm sure someone on here said because Hayes and Slicker are inexperienced goalies, we would be able to get an "emergency loan" goalie in if we needed it. Yes not ideal but no point having a 3rd goalie "just in case".

I think if it was just for a few games, we might just throw Slicker in anyway.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 13:48 - Sep 4 with 1230 views

Whos_blue

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 11:44 - Sep 4 by Churchman

I agree with you entirely. Priority one is to get enough points on the board to forget about relegation. Then mid-table. After that 6-10 which is where I have always guessed (no evidence but hope) we’d finished. Finally dream time. Top six.

Ok, we are in the honeymoon period of carrying over stunning form (agree with Benjamin Bloom on that) but having seen four of five games and bits of other clubs’ games, I’ve a sneaky feeling we could do top six.

We are a good, exciting team scoring with ease and from different players. Defensively - work to be done. We will improve. I like the look of Taylor and my initial meh thoughts on Hutchinson and Williams was wrong.

The bedwetters and edgelords will have none of that, sadly. No doubt the elephantidiot will be lumbering into view too. He was quiet this weekend, strangely. A couple of inevitable defeats and the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the usual FM23 suspects will be loud and long. Learning from the premature bashing of KM in Jan/Feb? Zero.

Back to positivism, it’s been a dream start. I thought two wins and a draw would have been solid, nine points excellent. To have four wins from five games - brilliant.

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Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 14:02 - Sep 4 with 1205 views

Whos_blue

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 10:44 - Sep 4 by BlueBadger
To be fair, most of us worked that out well over a year ago. It's only the edgelords, budgies and bedwetters that haven't. [Post edited 4 Sep 2023 12:42]

The phrase edgelord always makes me smile!
There was some prime edgelordery and a fair smattering of bellendery on display on Saturday.
One bloke was called out for constantly moaning when we were 2-0 down. He then doubled down and seemingly wanted to offer everybody in his vicinity out!
This was just before Broady scored. The turncoat then had the audacity to celebrate like a loon.
It looked like it got quite heated, but thankfully it didn't get silly.
But deary me. What an edgelord!

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 14:14 - Sep 4 with 1194 views

Vegtablue

Spot on of course and extend this sentiment outwards to many others now at the club.

However, there is continued mischaracterization of our summer window from some quarters on this fantastic website (in my always humble opinion). McKenna hasn't declined improvements in favour of nurturing what we have and he hasn't been shy in emphasizing the importance of upgrading players. He's also said he's extracting the maximum from what's at his disposal, which isn't worrying because we've won 4 out of 5. He would have loved to improve the squad further but is cognizant and supportive of the framework within which the club must operate. We have a long-term strategy and extracting value is at the heart of it.

Notice in post-match interviews how he has focused on the technical qualities of opposition players and the hard work of our own. The message is clear. We won't win many matches this season on account of disparities in talent, while a few of our competitors will win routinely for this reason alone. Everything is great - couldn't have gone a lot better inside the set parameters (could have gone a bit better) - but let's not pretend high achievers like McKenna have engineered the squad in the manner some suggest. It is the healthy tension between ambition and prudence and managers typically represent the former.

I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 14:36 - Sep 4 with 1172 views

RKD

Wish people would pay more homage to the fact it is reassuring we didn’t make panic buys, and we are in the position where we didn’t need to.

I’d like to think Scarlett and Tuanzebe were us putting solid contingency plans into place, and we’re already lining up January targets.

Not sure if anybody remembers but our January transfer window went pretty well this year. Relax, we are in good hands.

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No one is disagreeing with your first sentence on 14:56 - Sep 4 with 1141 views

ChampionsofInnsbruck

No one is disagreeing with your first sentence on 13:26 - Sep 4 by Dyland

Well much like all of us, the only manager we've all known more than was Paul Hurst really, and that's because he's only won the Lincolnshire senior cup over us in terms of football success as a manager ... .

However, if we all blindly backed everything ever, what would be the point of a forum? As a supporter I have a way I want the club to be and recruit, that's my opinion. I respect you may disagree with my view, which is that we are using our time and resources to develop players for other clubs, and ones that will likely be competing with because if these kids don't make it at their big club parent, they will find their way into the top half of the Championship and lower Premier League, as they have done for years.

I prefer that we would buy and develop players for our own use. I always got the impression we were in to buy say a Hirst if it did work out, but given that Spurs have just given this kid a decent contract, I doubt we'll be signing him, same with Hutchinson. Williams we will absolutely be able to sign though, so that's a different thing. As far as what other Championship clubs do, as we're told everyone does it, half of them are in millions of debt and are yoyo outfits at best, so I wouldn't want to emulate them, I'd rather emulate Bournemouth and Brighton, and we absolutely can do that.

No one is disagreeing with your first sentence on 15:01 - Sep 4 with 1127 views

Keno

No one is disagreeing with your first sentence on 14:56 - Sep 4 by ChampionsofInnsbruck

Maybe, and I'm just floating this, when you say "I prefer that we would buy and develop players for our own use"

if this season goes well and we go up again we will look to buy the loanees or if we dont go up but get say £20mill for Davis we would then have enough FFP headroom to buy the loanees

Who knows

But in McKenna we trust

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I think there's a growing realisation that McKenna on 15:06 - Sep 4 with 1110 views

chicoazul

Thank you Confucius.

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It's as if you didn't read my post properly on 15:20 - Sep 4 with 1083 views

Dyland

No one is disagreeing with your first sentence on 14:56 - Sep 4 by ChampionsofInnsbruck

We all agree, or probably the vast majority, we'd rather have and develop our own permanent signings.

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