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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 15:24 - Oct 15 by DJR
This was the Foreign Office Minister's take in the House of Commons a couple of hours ago.
"While the world turns its attention to Lebanon, we must not forget the situation for the people of Gaza: they are in a truly intolerable situation currently and winter will make them increasingly vulnerable including to communicable disease. All of Gaza’s population now faces the risk of famine. Access to basic services, safe drinking water, shelter and healthcare are becoming harder by the day.
We are gravely concerned by the situation in northern Gaza in particular. Very little aid has entered northern Gaza since 1 October. Evacuation orders continue to be issued across northern Gaza but civilians are struggling to move to safety and we are worried that the IDF-designated humanitarian zone is overcrowded and unsafe. Israel must comply with international humanitarian law and allow unfettered aid access. The message from this Government is clear: Israel could and must do more to ensure that aid reaches civilians in Gaza. It is unacceptable to restrict aid."
It was also tragic to hear a young lawyer in Gaza on the World at One say she just wants to get out of Gaza. What makes this conflict particularly awful for civilians is that they are trapped, but their leaving Gaza would no doubt play into the hand of the two Israeli Ministers that David Cameron said earlier today were being considered for sanctions when he was Foreign Secretary.
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Here's the US take (from the BBC).
The US has written to Israel’s government giving it 30 days to urgently boost humanitarian aid access in Gaza or face having some US military assistance cut off.
The letter amounts to the strongest known written warning from the Biden administration to its ally, coming as Israel’s attack on northern Gaza has seen mass forced displacements of civilians to the south.
The letter - sent two days ago - was signed by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken and Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin. It says the US has “deep concern” about “the deteriorating humanitarian situation”.
It adds that Israel last month denied or impeded nearly 90% of humanitarian movements between north and south Gaza.
It states that evacuation orders have forced 1.7 million people into a narrow coastal strip where they are at “high risk of lethal contagion”.
The letter demands “urgent and sustained actions by your government this month to reverse this trajectory”.
It says Israel “must, starting now and within 30 days” act on a series of concrete measures to boost aid supplies, adding that failure may “have implications for US policy”.
It cites US laws which can prohibit military assistance to countries that impede delivery of American humanitarian aid.
It calls on Israel to end the “isolation of northern Gaza” by reaffirming that there will be no “no Israeli government policy of forced evacuation of civilians” from north to south.
The contents of the letter, reported by the journalist Barak Ravid, have been verified by the BBC.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 22:20 - Oct 15 with 3218 views
Israel’s prime minister, while standing on stage at the UN general assembly, denounced the body as “contemptible”, a “house of darkness” and a “swamp of antisemitic bile”.
Israel’s outgoing ambassador to the UN shredded a copy of the UN charter with a miniature paper shredder while also standing at the podium of the general assembly, and later said the UN headquarters in New York “should be closed and wiped off the face of the Earth”.
Israel’s foreign minister falsely accused the UN secretary general of not having condemned Iran’s attacks on Israel, declared him “persona non grata in Israel” and announced that he had “banned him from entering the country”.
The Israeli government actively obstructed a UN-mandated commission of inquiry trying to collect evidence on the 7 October attacks.
Israel’s parliament is in the process of designating a longstanding UN agency, Unrwa, as a “terrorist organization”.
The Israeli military has bombed UN schools, warehouses and refugee camps in Gaza for 12 consecutive months, and killed a record 228 UN employees in the process. “By far the highest number of our personnel killed in a single conflict or natural disaster since the creation of the United Nations,” to quote the UN secretary general.
The Israeli military is now also attacking UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon. According to the UN, “five UN ‘Blue Helmets’ serving with UNIFIL in Lebanon have been injured as Israeli forces inflicted damage on UN positions close to the ‘Blue Line’.”
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
If an unknown combatant has lost half of their lower arm and is sitting in a chair in a partially destroyed building is it within the 'rules of war' (sic) to finish them off with tank fire?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
'Six medical humanitarian groups, whose emergency medical missions in Gaza have collectively treated over 15,000 patients since October 2023, have been informed this week that their medical missions will now be denied entry into Gaza.
The notice was delivered to these organisations via text message from the World Health Organisation (WHO) following an order issued by the Israeli military via the country’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.
The WHO said it “calls for urgent and sustained facilitation of entry for EMTs into Gaza and access for humanitarian aid across the strip.”
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:50 - Oct 18 by BanksterDebtSlave
'Six medical humanitarian groups, whose emergency medical missions in Gaza have collectively treated over 15,000 patients since October 2023, have been informed this week that their medical missions will now be denied entry into Gaza.
The notice was delivered to these organisations via text message from the World Health Organisation (WHO) following an order issued by the Israeli military via the country’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.
The WHO said it “calls for urgent and sustained facilitation of entry for EMTs into Gaza and access for humanitarian aid across the strip.”
I read that before you posted it, and thought it pretty shocking, and presumably against the international humanitarian law which applies to an occupying power,
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 07:33 - Oct 19 with 2748 views
Faqoua village councilor Munir Barakat told AFP that “an Israeli in military clothing arrived at the place in a white car and fired about 10 bullets at the Abu Salama family, who were picking olives on their land.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 21:32 - Oct 18 by DJR
I read that before you posted it, and thought it pretty shocking, and presumably against the international humanitarian law which applies to an occupying power,
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And the West keeps issuing warnings to Israel rather than doing anything different. Which means Israel will continue. The objective is very clear.
Crucially, we are destroying such reputation as we have with places like India, Brazil etc and pushing them ever further into the arms of Russia and China.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:33 - Oct 23 with 2477 views
Over the last few days, I have been watching Aljazeera's coverage of the Israeli attacks on Northern Gaza. They seem to have journalists inside Gaza and as such have more footage of the devastation. I don't know how much longer this will go on but the destruction of infrastructure is massive. How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. Of course, this assumes there will be any Palestinians left to leave.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:33 - Oct 23 by noggin
Over the last few days, I have been watching Aljazeera's coverage of the Israeli attacks on Northern Gaza. They seem to have journalists inside Gaza and as such have more footage of the devastation. I don't know how much longer this will go on but the destruction of infrastructure is massive. How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. Of course, this assumes there will be any Palestinians left to leave.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:14 - Oct 19 by redrickstuhaart
And the West keeps issuing warnings to Israel rather than doing anything different. Which means Israel will continue. The objective is very clear.
Crucially, we are destroying such reputation as we have with places like India, Brazil etc and pushing them ever further into the arms of Russia and China.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:33 - Oct 23 by noggin
Over the last few days, I have been watching Aljazeera's coverage of the Israeli attacks on Northern Gaza. They seem to have journalists inside Gaza and as such have more footage of the devastation. I don't know how much longer this will go on but the destruction of infrastructure is massive. How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. Of course, this assumes there will be any Palestinians left to leave.
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"How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. "
This is clearly the objective, maybe it was from day 1? Channel 4 news did a piece a few days ago - a group of settlers have set up camp a few kms from Gaza, so they can see the devastation from where they are, and they're planning on moving in to Gaza as soon as they can.
When the reporter asked about the Palestinians, where will they go, will they be forced to leave, etc, the answer was, well countries like the UK and Ireland should take them. It's ethnic cleansing, and they have the support of many hard-liners in yahoos government sadly.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 13:48 - Oct 23 by Bent_double
"How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. "
This is clearly the objective, maybe it was from day 1? Channel 4 news did a piece a few days ago - a group of settlers have set up camp a few kms from Gaza, so they can see the devastation from where they are, and they're planning on moving in to Gaza as soon as they can.
When the reporter asked about the Palestinians, where will they go, will they be forced to leave, etc, the answer was, well countries like the UK and Ireland should take them. It's ethnic cleansing, and they have the support of many hard-liners in yahoos government sadly.
Quite clear. They have been flattening eductional, health and religous infrastructure throughout.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 14:56 - Oct 23 with 2129 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 13:48 - Oct 23 by Bent_double
"How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. "
This is clearly the objective, maybe it was from day 1? Channel 4 news did a piece a few days ago - a group of settlers have set up camp a few kms from Gaza, so they can see the devastation from where they are, and they're planning on moving in to Gaza as soon as they can.
When the reporter asked about the Palestinians, where will they go, will they be forced to leave, etc, the answer was, well countries like the UK and Ireland should take them. It's ethnic cleansing, and they have the support of many hard-liners in yahoos government sadly.
Sovereignty over the entirety of the land has always been Israel's long term goal.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 15:02 - Oct 23 with 2107 views
Can someone please explain to me, what the USA gets in return for the billions of dollars of foreign aid they donate to Israel? Tax payers money, from a country with millions of people living in poverty. I mean, what does Israel give the USA in return? This is not meant as a leading question, as I really don't know what the answer is.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:06 - Oct 24 by noggin
Can someone please explain to me, what the USA gets in return for the billions of dollars of foreign aid they donate to Israel? Tax payers money, from a country with millions of people living in poverty. I mean, what does Israel give the USA in return? This is not meant as a leading question, as I really don't know what the answer is.
As the greatest military power in the region, Israel helps consolidate US power and influence in the Middle East and protects it's interests. Also the evangelical Christian movement is a real electoral force in the US that is fanatically pro Israel. That’s two key factors.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:08 - Oct 25 with 1665 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:33 - Oct 23 by noggin
Over the last few days, I have been watching Aljazeera's coverage of the Israeli attacks on Northern Gaza. They seem to have journalists inside Gaza and as such have more footage of the devastation. I don't know how much longer this will go on but the destruction of infrastructure is massive. How are the Palestinian people going to live in that rubble, if and when Israel stops the bombing? I can't see any alternative than a large number of, if not all, Palestinians having to leave as refuees (supposing they are given somewhere to go). If so, that would surely make way for Israel to occupy the strip and for Israelis to built communities and declare it part of Israel. Of course, this assumes there will be any Palestinians left to leave.
'Israel's parliament has voted to pass legislation banning the UN's Palestinian refugee agency (Unrwa) from operating within Israel and Israeli-occupied East Jerusalem, within three months. Contact between Unrwa employees and Israeli officials will also be banned, severely limiting the agency's ability to operate in Gaza and the Israeli-occupied West Bank. UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy called it "totally wrong", while Unrwa's chief Philippe Lazzarini said it "will only deepen the suffering of Palestinians".The US State Department said Unrwa played a "critical" role in distributing humanitarian aid in the Gaza Strip. Almost all of the enclave's population of more than two million people are dependent on aid and services from the agency.'
Are there people in this thread that still support Israel's government decisions after all we've seen? If so, I cannot see you in any better light than Germans who said nothing against Hitler when it became known what was happening to Jews in WW2.
I'd be ashamed to know anyone supporting them. No - I'd be disgusted.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 06:36 - Oct 29 with 1328 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 05:52 - Oct 29 by jayceee
Are there people in this thread that still support Israel's government decisions after all we've seen? If so, I cannot see you in any better light than Germans who said nothing against Hitler when it became known what was happening to Jews in WW2.
I'd be ashamed to know anyone supporting them. No - I'd be disgusted.
While western governments continue to back Israel, there will be support from some within those countries, for Israel's 'self defence'. That over 70% of those slaughtered in Gaza, are women and children, doesn't seem to matter.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 06:36 - Oct 29 by noggin
While western governments continue to back Israel, there will be support from some within those countries, for Israel's 'self defence'. That over 70% of those slaughtered in Gaza, are women and children, doesn't seem to matter.
Good point - and an important reality check. It's easy to assume everyone knows that our government under Starmer has been captured. Of course not everyone realises this, but it's getting harder to hide behind that, with all we've seen.
There has never been a Prime Minister that disgusts me more than this prick. I can't stand Sunak and Johnson etc, but this guy is actually worse... At least you knew who they were - but not this guy who has deceptively walked into the seat of power and is the most dishonest prick that's ever been there.
But - there's no excuse any more - any one still standing behind his foreign policies is just as disgusting.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 07:33 - Oct 29 with 1241 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 07:20 - Oct 29 by jayceee
Good point - and an important reality check. It's easy to assume everyone knows that our government under Starmer has been captured. Of course not everyone realises this, but it's getting harder to hide behind that, with all we've seen.
There has never been a Prime Minister that disgusts me more than this prick. I can't stand Sunak and Johnson etc, but this guy is actually worse... At least you knew who they were - but not this guy who has deceptively walked into the seat of power and is the most dishonest prick that's ever been there.
But - there's no excuse any more - any one still standing behind his foreign policies is just as disgusting.
Who has Starmer and his government been captured by?
Any semblance of support from Western governments and individuals must stop, we are all being made less secure by the day and this whole episode is going to open doors for Russia and China.
'When internet connectivity returned to Jabalia in northern Gaza after yet another blackout last Thursday, the Al Jazeera journalist Anas Al-Sharif took to his social media accounts to let the world know what happened during the hours the area was offline. Israeli airstrikes had hit several houses on the same street in the al-Hawaja neighbourhood, he said, killing or wounding an estimated 150 people – but no one knew for sure. The ever-tightening Israeli siege of Jabalia and several other parts of northern Gaza – enforced by tanks and ground troops – meant that civil defence teams and medics could not come to rescue those trapped under the rubble. No reporters could make it either, other than al-Sharif, who lives nearby. “No civil defence, no coverage, nothing but death and destruction,” he said in a video from the quiet, dark street. “No one is coming to save them.”
'Raja, a 28-year-old pharmacist, along with two friends, did her best to help the wounded after airstrikes in Beit Lahia on Saturday that killed at least 40 people. There was no way to contact the three struggling hospitals still operating in the area, and ambulances never came; an unknown number of people are believed to be buried under collapsed buildings. “We helped by carrying the injured or transporting them on donkey carts, and we took them to our house. We had a few tools, so we could do some first aid, but we watched all of them take their last breaths. One little boy with his skull open was still alive, I don’t know how,” she said. “That’s what hurts the most, feeling so powerless. If there had been ambulances, most of them would be alive now.”
'Fiona O’Brien, the UK director of Reporters Without Borders, said: “We are utterly appalled by the continuing unfounded accusations linking journalists in Gaza to terror groups … Israel publishing documents alleging that is not sufficient proof or a licence to kill and puts them at even higher risk. “There’s been a systematic attempt by Israel to shut down media coverage of Gaza and stop the story getting out, most obviously by killing journalists. “Our investigations show at least 32 were targeted because of their work but so far there has been complete impunity.”
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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