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'According to accounts shared with ICC officials, he is alleged to have told her: “You should help us and let us take care of you. You don’t want to be getting into things that could compromise your security or that of your family.”
One individual briefed on Cohen’s activities said he had used “despicable tactics” against Bensouda as part of an ultimately unsuccessful effort to intimidate and influence her. They likened his behaviour to “stalking”.
The Mossad also took a keen interest in Bensouda’s family members and obtained transcripts of secret recordings of her husband, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Israeli officials then attempted to use the material to discredit the prosecutor.
The revelations about Cohen’s operation form part of a forthcoming investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call, revealing how multiple Israel intelligence agencies ran a covert “war” against the ICC for almost a decade.'
Trying to discredit anybody or anything around the world that threatens their apartheid regime is what they do!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
I first saw this reported in Haaretz but as it has a paywall, here is a link to another report of what is a rather distasteful story, written by a student at Tel Aviv University.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:39 - May 28 by DJR
I first saw this reported in Haaretz but as it has a paywall, here is a link to another report of what is a rather distasteful story, written by a student at Tel Aviv University.
Not an easy read at all. I'm struggling to understand how people can revel in the death of innocent human beings. NEVER AGAIN means "Never again for everybody".
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:23 - May 28 with 3622 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:07 - May 28 by Cafe_Newman
Not an easy read at all. I'm struggling to understand how people can revel in the death of innocent human beings. NEVER AGAIN means "Never again for everybody".
It feels churlish to quote sci if but there’s one quote which always always stands out from Star Wars. “Fear leads to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
The Israelis and Palestinians fear that each would wipe out the other given the opportunity. Fear - Anger - Hate - Suffering. The extremists on both sides have made it policy to destroy the other before the opposite can happen.
It feels churlish to quote sci if but there’s one quote which always always stands out from Star Wars. “Fear leads to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
The Israelis and Palestinians fear that each would wipe out the other given the opportunity. Fear - Anger - Hate - Suffering. The extremists on both sides have made it policy to destroy the other before the opposite can happen.
South African Jew, Andrew Feinstein, son of a holocaust survivor - who features in the last video I posted to this thread - offers us little bit of hope based on the recent history of South Africa. See 5:55-6:40 if you don't want to watch the whole video.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:43 - May 28 with 3587 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:41 - May 28 by Cafe_Newman
South African Jew, Andrew Feinstein, son of a holocaust survivor - who features in the last video I posted to this thread - offers us little bit of hope based on the recent history of South Africa. See 5:55-6:40 if you don't want to watch the whole video.
He does, but it’s the extremists in power at the moment.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 21:34 - May 27 by Cafe_Newman
And to brush away the recent strike in Rafah that saw as many as 45 innocent civilians killed as a "mishap" is disgusting. It's little wonder more and more people are turning against Israel and their military activities. The sad thing is that this ultimately serves no purpose other than to increase the incorrect conflation between ordinary peace loving jews and the outrageous actions of the state. No good can come of this until Netenyahu goes, but how and when?
Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:54 - May 28 with 3559 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:43 - May 28 by pointofblue
He does, but it’s the extremists in power at the moment.
Even extremists can't operate without financial support. Citizens of the countries who support the extremists on BOTH sides need to stand up against their leaders to end their support.
There will never be peace in Palestine if we say that we truly stand for peace but allow our governments to continue to arm the aggressors.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:01 - May 28 with 3501 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:52 - May 28 by Whos_blue
And to brush away the recent strike in Rafah that saw as many as 45 innocent civilians killed as a "mishap" is disgusting. It's little wonder more and more people are turning against Israel and their military activities. The sad thing is that this ultimately serves no purpose other than to increase the incorrect conflation between ordinary peace loving jews and the outrageous actions of the state. No good can come of this until Netenyahu goes, but how and when?
"The sad thing is that this ultimately serves no purpose other than to increase the incorrect conflation between ordinary peace loving jews and the outrageous actions of the state."
There are literally hundreds of articles and videos online where Jewish people are disassociating themselves completely from the Zionist government in Israel. They tend not to be religious fanatics, just normal people who appreciate the sanctity of life normally borne out of their own history of persecution.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:14 - May 28 with 3472 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:54 - May 28 by Cafe_Newman
Even extremists can't operate without financial support. Citizens of the countries who support the extremists on BOTH sides need to stand up against their leaders to end their support.
There will never be peace in Palestine if we say that we truly stand for peace but allow our governments to continue to arm the aggressors.
Very little has been said about the respective parties views on Palestine heading into this general election. And it doesn’t seem to be an important subject in America either. Will be interested to see whether it is mentioned in any manifesto once they’re released.
'According to accounts shared with ICC officials, he is alleged to have told her: “You should help us and let us take care of you. You don’t want to be getting into things that could compromise your security or that of your family.”
One individual briefed on Cohen’s activities said he had used “despicable tactics” against Bensouda as part of an ultimately unsuccessful effort to intimidate and influence her. They likened his behaviour to “stalking”.
The Mossad also took a keen interest in Bensouda’s family members and obtained transcripts of secret recordings of her husband, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. Israeli officials then attempted to use the material to discredit the prosecutor.
The revelations about Cohen’s operation form part of a forthcoming investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call, revealing how multiple Israel intelligence agencies ran a covert “war” against the ICC for almost a decade.'
Trying to discredit anybody or anything around the world that threatens their apartheid regime is what they do!
The US also doesn't like the ICC (except when it issued an arrest warrant for Putin).
In 2020, it imposed sanctions on Bensouda and one other, and imposed travel restrictions on others. And just last week Blinken announced plans to work with Congress to impose sanctions on the ICC as a result of its Gaza ruling.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 14:58 - May 27 by Cafe_Newman
Holocaust survivor draws parallels between WW2 Germany and Israel today.
Who's going to label him antisemitic for doing so?
WARNING: Contains strong images
Thanks for posting that. Extremely graphic images in there, but what a wise and experienced and eloquent old man. He speaks so well and with such balance. Would that he were in charge of Israel, or better still of the whole world.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 15:41 - May 28 by NthQldITFC
Thanks for posting that. Extremely graphic images in there, but what a wise and experienced and eloquent old man. He speaks so well and with such balance. Would that he were in charge of Israel, or better still of the whole world.
Thanks for that comment. The only problem I have with these DDN videos is that their title images verge on the partizan and sensational - which is a shame because the speakers are almost always very balanced, compassionate and quite frequently Jewish.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:15 - Jun 2 by BanksterDebtSlave
On what grounds is Biden claiming that the current ceasefire proposal comes from Israel when the government there aren't backing it?
I assume that it’s been negotiated between Netanyahu and Biden, but the far right zealots like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are threatening to bring down the coalition government down if Netanyahu proceeds.
If Netanyahu caves in to the fanatics then Israel will quite rightly be seen seen as a religious fanatic country in a similar vein to the likes of Iran. Interestingly, opposition leader Yair Lapid has said that "There is a deal on the table, and it needs to be made. I remind Netanyahu that he has a parliamentary safety net from us if Ben-Gvir and Smotrich leave the government”.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:35 - Jun 2 by GlasgowBlue
I assume that it’s been negotiated between Netanyahu and Biden, but the far right zealots like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are threatening to bring down the coalition government down if Netanyahu proceeds.
If Netanyahu caves in to the fanatics then Israel will quite rightly be seen seen as a religious fanatic country in a similar vein to the likes of Iran. Interestingly, opposition leader Yair Lapid has said that "There is a deal on the table, and it needs to be made. I remind Netanyahu that he has a parliamentary safety net from us if Ben-Gvir and Smotrich leave the government”.
These two articles suggests that it didn't have the support of Netanyahu.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:35 - Jun 2 by GlasgowBlue
I assume that it’s been negotiated between Netanyahu and Biden, but the far right zealots like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are threatening to bring down the coalition government down if Netanyahu proceeds.
If Netanyahu caves in to the fanatics then Israel will quite rightly be seen seen as a religious fanatic country in a similar vein to the likes of Iran. Interestingly, opposition leader Yair Lapid has said that "There is a deal on the table, and it needs to be made. I remind Netanyahu that he has a parliamentary safety net from us if Ben-Gvir and Smotrich leave the government”.
These two articles suggests that it didn't have the support of Netanyahu.
All in all, it appears to show how inept Biden is but then again, Netanyahu has been playing US Presidents for many years, and none has shown the courage to stand up to him.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:23 - Jun 2 with 2910 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:35 - Jun 2 by GlasgowBlue
I assume that it’s been negotiated between Netanyahu and Biden, but the far right zealots like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are threatening to bring down the coalition government down if Netanyahu proceeds.
If Netanyahu caves in to the fanatics then Israel will quite rightly be seen seen as a religious fanatic country in a similar vein to the likes of Iran. Interestingly, opposition leader Yair Lapid has said that "There is a deal on the table, and it needs to be made. I remind Netanyahu that he has a parliamentary safety net from us if Ben-Gvir and Smotrich leave the government”.
But this, from the Guardian, suggests things may be more hopeful, subject to the point about Hamas.
An aide to prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed on Sunday that Israel had accepted a framework deal for winding down the Gaza war now being advanced by US president Joe Biden, though he described it as flawed and in need of much more work.
In an interview with The Sunday Times, Ophir Falk, chief foreign policy advisor to Netanyahu, said Biden’s proposal was “a deal we agreed to … it’s not a good deal but we dearly want the hostages released, all of them”.
“There are a lot of details to be worked out,” he said, adding that Israeli conditions, including “the release of the hostages and the destruction of Hamas as a genocidal terrorist organisation” have not changed.
Biden, whose initial lockstep support for Israel’s offensive has given way to open censure of the operation’s high civilian death toll, on Friday aired what he described as a three-phase plan submitted by the Netanyahu government to end the war.
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A South African perspective on 13:15 - Jun 2 with 2814 views
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 13:47 - May 28 by DJR
The US also doesn't like the ICC (except when it issued an arrest warrant for Putin).
In 2020, it imposed sanctions on Bensouda and one other, and imposed travel restrictions on others. And just last week Blinken announced plans to work with Congress to impose sanctions on the ICC as a result of its Gaza ruling.
I was watching interviews with Fikile Mbalula and Julius Malema from last year's BBC HARDtalk where both countered accusations of being cosy with Putin with comments about if the ICC issued arrest warrants for him then why not for Tony Blair and George Bush for the false information at the start of the second Iraq invasion that, whilst it finally removed Sadaam Hussein, also caused unprecedented death and destruction. Unlikely it would ever happen but the charge of double standards is enough to see why the United States is not keen on an impartial (or attempt at impartial) body.
How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:30 - Jun 2 by DJR
But this, from the Guardian, suggests things may be more hopeful, subject to the point about Hamas.
An aide to prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed on Sunday that Israel had accepted a framework deal for winding down the Gaza war now being advanced by US president Joe Biden, though he described it as flawed and in need of much more work.
In an interview with The Sunday Times, Ophir Falk, chief foreign policy advisor to Netanyahu, said Biden’s proposal was “a deal we agreed to … it’s not a good deal but we dearly want the hostages released, all of them”.
“There are a lot of details to be worked out,” he said, adding that Israeli conditions, including “the release of the hostages and the destruction of Hamas as a genocidal terrorist organisation” have not changed.
Biden, whose initial lockstep support for Israel’s offensive has given way to open censure of the operation’s high civilian death toll, on Friday aired what he described as a three-phase plan submitted by the Netanyahu government to end the war.
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I think it is safe to say with certainty that there is so much going on in the background that we don't know about.
On Friday Biden made it perfectly clear that Bib was on board with this but there were members of his own government (a clear reference to Smotrich and Ben-Gvir) who were not and that they could go fcuk themselves.
Of course, Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are currently keeping Bibi out of jail on corruption charges which adds another dynamic to this.
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