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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? 19:54 - Nov 2 with 296607 viewsnoggin

Yeah but Owen Jones...
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 13:43 - Apr 22 with 2055 viewsDJR

Interesting. But the US aid package for Gaza (forming part of the military aid for Israel) rules out any of it being used by UNWRA, whatever the eventual outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/israel-unrwa-staff-terrorist-links
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:29 - Apr 24 with 1922 viewsDJR

Feel the Bern.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 08:46 - Apr 26 with 1795 viewsWhos_blue

Senseless.
Just senseless.
Sigh.....


BBC News - Baby saved from dead mother's womb in Gaza dies
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68903591

Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:01 - Apr 28 with 1656 viewsDJR

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:43 - May 6 with 1494 viewsDJR

This topic had dropped down to page 5 of the general section but deserves a bump.

This from the executive director of MSF.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:47 - May 6 with 1478 viewsDJR

And whilst we're at it, this is not evidence of the liberal values supposedly at the heart of Western democracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/05/gaza-war-surgeon-ghassan-a
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:48 - May 6 with 1474 viewsredrickstuhaart

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:43 - May 6 by DJR

This topic had dropped down to page 5 of the general section but deserves a bump.

This from the executive director of MSF.



This, of course, is on the back of an attempt to create a narrative that a realistic deal is on the table and that it is Hamas being unreasonable and refusing it.

The deal, it appears, is that Hamas give up everything and in return the Israeli's promise to stop for a couple of weeks before continuing to raze Gaza and take over permanently. Not sure what's in it for hte people of Gaza.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:59 - May 6 with 1452 viewsWeWereZombies

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:43 - May 6 by DJR

This topic had dropped down to page 5 of the general section but deserves a bump.

This from the executive director of MSF.



Plus the stifling of reportage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68961753

'According to Reuters news agency, the Israeli satellite service Yes displayed a message that read: "In accordance with the government decision, the Al Jazeera station's broadcasts have been stopped in Israel."...The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) said they had filed a request to the country's Supreme Court to issue an interim order to overturn the ban.

The group said that claims that the broadcaster was a propaganda tool for Hamas were "unfounded", and that Sunday's ban was less about security concerns and more to "serve a more politically motivated agenda, aimed at silencing critical voices and targeting Arab media".

The Foreign Press Association (FPA) urged the Israeli government to reconsider its decision, saying the shut down of Al Jazeera in the country should be "a cause for concern for all supporters of a free press".'

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:19 - May 6 with 1408 viewsDJR

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 11:59 - May 6 by WeWereZombies

Plus the stifling of reportage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68961753

'According to Reuters news agency, the Israeli satellite service Yes displayed a message that read: "In accordance with the government decision, the Al Jazeera station's broadcasts have been stopped in Israel."...The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) said they had filed a request to the country's Supreme Court to issue an interim order to overturn the ban.

The group said that claims that the broadcaster was a propaganda tool for Hamas were "unfounded", and that Sunday's ban was less about security concerns and more to "serve a more politically motivated agenda, aimed at silencing critical voices and targeting Arab media".

The Foreign Press Association (FPA) urged the Israeli government to reconsider its decision, saying the shut down of Al Jazeera in the country should be "a cause for concern for all supporters of a free press".'


This is the full statement of the Foreign Press Association, which is based in London and is the first and oldest association of foreign journalists in the world, founded in 1888.



Yet more evidence of scant regard for Western (by which I would include Israeli) liberal values, as is the exclusion of the foreign press from Gaza.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 14:50 - May 6 with 1336 viewsnoggin

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:19 - May 6 by DJR

This is the full statement of the Foreign Press Association, which is based in London and is the first and oldest association of foreign journalists in the world, founded in 1888.



Yet more evidence of scant regard for Western (by which I would include Israeli) liberal values, as is the exclusion of the foreign press from Gaza.


I hadn't seen this before now. Sangita Myska sacked for stating the 'wrong' facts.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 16:27 - May 6 with 1272 viewsDJR

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 14:50 - May 6 by noggin

I hadn't seen this before now. Sangita Myska sacked for stating the 'wrong' facts.

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That's a real shame. I've listened to her a lot and found her a sensitive and thoughtful presenter.

This incident especially springs to mind.

https://www.bizasialive.com/emotional-sangita-myskas-powerful-reaction-on-being-

EDIT: It has been noticeable how easy a ride Israeli spokespeople get in the British media.

This strikes me as being far from ideal because as the saying goes "Truth is the first casualty of war."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:56 - May 6 with 1230 viewsDJR

BBC reporting Hamas has accepted ceasefire.

Be interesting to see how this pans out, given this may not suit the hardliners in the Netanyahu government.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:10 - May 6 with 1204 viewsnoggin

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:56 - May 6 by DJR

BBC reporting Hamas has accepted ceasefire.

Be interesting to see how this pans out, given this may not suit the hardliners in the Netanyahu government.


Israel saying proposal is not acceptable.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:11 - May 6 with 1200 viewspointofblue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:10 - May 6 by noggin

Israel saying proposal is not acceptable.


Was about to say - the hardliners in the Israeli government will see Hamas agreeing to the ceasefire as a sign that the Rafah invasion would cause real damage to them, so won't want to back off.

Now the question is how much pressure will be applied by the wider public and the US.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:14 - May 6 with 1192 viewsDJR

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:10 - May 6 by noggin

Israel saying proposal is not acceptable.


It certainly didn't take long to pan out!
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 21:48 - May 6 with 1119 viewspointofblue

According to the BBC's live report, the IDF has struck Rafah.

ETA - Rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza too.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:22 - May 8 with 957 viewsnoggin


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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:31 - May 8 with 942 viewsfooters

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:22 - May 8 by noggin



"It was the collective punishment of civilians in a limited but specific way."


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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:59 - May 14 with 697 viewsGlasgowBlue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:27 - Apr 19 by DJR

I would say it doesn't involve 10,000 women and nearly 14,000 children killed, leaving aside thousands buried under rubble.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-17-24





Edit. It appears that what I read earlier this morning has not been verified and in fact has been disputed, so have deleted the post. I think it's important to get facts right and when I do get it wrong it is always best to edit and apologise, which I'm happy to do.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:14 - May 14 with 654 viewslowhouseblue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:59 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue

Edit. It appears that what I read earlier this morning has not been verified and in fact has been disputed, so have deleted the post. I think it's important to get facts right and when I do get it wrong it is always best to edit and apologise, which I'm happy to do.
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edit: this all seems to be disputed.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:16 - May 14 with 643 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:59 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue

Edit. It appears that what I read earlier this morning has not been verified and in fact has been disputed, so have deleted the post. I think it's important to get facts right and when I do get it wrong it is always best to edit and apologise, which I'm happy to do.
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Is this not a question of semantics, and as per usual dubious Twitter takes?:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-says-gaza-death-toll-still-over-350

According to Reuters the UN have revised IDENTIFIED civilian deaths the ~24k, BUT there are another 10k UNIDENTIFIED bodies.

I don’t really see this changes the scale of that catastrophe at all, and unless I’m being thick and missing the point entirely, just shows once again how untrustworthy social media is (I.e taking half a news story and using it to push an agenda whilst missing key facts).
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:16 - May 14 with 640 viewsnoggin

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:14 - May 14 by lowhouseblue

edit: this all seems to be disputed.
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Is this what you're talking about?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figu

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(No subject) (n/t) on 10:21 - May 14 with 603 viewsStokieBlue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:59 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue

Edit. It appears that what I read earlier this morning has not been verified and in fact has been disputed, so have deleted the post. I think it's important to get facts right and when I do get it wrong it is always best to edit and apologise, which I'm happy to do.
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What is really shameful here is your attack on other posters before you've done your research. It's a horrible post and putting a caveat at the end doesn't change that. You really need to reflect on your posting on this subject because you've now posted a number of things which have been incorrect whilst accusing others of doing so.

So what has happened here is that the health ministry has changed how they record figures so that only identified bodies are included in the figures. The 10,000+ maimed and unidentified corpses left in the wake of the disproportionate IDF response haven't yet been identified and thus were removed and will be added back in as they are.

You can see the methodology change here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figu

“The ministry of health says that the documentation process of fully identifying details of the casualties is ongoing,” he added. Meanwhile … there’s about another 10,000-plus bodies who still have to be fully identified.”

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:26 - May 14 with 567 viewsWeWereZombies

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:14 - May 14 by lowhouseblue

edit: this all seems to be disputed.
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Not been fact checked or commented on by the BBC yet so forgive my scepticism (both on the numbers and on how many of the dead are HAMAS, sympathisers or enablers or forced into coercion) and anyway 'yes, yes, seventeen thousand makes for an acceptable level of collateral death rather than thirty four thousand, doesn't it' - good grief, some posters on here really do have a morality bypass...in my opinion. I would find any suggestion that only five hundred died in the HAMAS attack on 7th October rather than a thousand making the outrage any more acceptable as unacceptable.

And talking of unacceptable behaviour:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg300jek94zo

'Unverified footage shared on social media showed protesters toppling boxes from lorries onto the ground, and stomping on them once they had fallen.

Some videos appeared to show vehicles being set on fire later in the evening. The BBC has not been able to independently verify these.

According to reports in Israeli media, the Tzav 9 activist group were responsible for organising the protest.

Israeli media reports describe it as a right-wing group which is seeking to halt humanitarian aid transfers into Gaza while Israeli hostages are held there.'

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:28 - May 14 with 541 viewsnoggin

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 10:14 - May 14 by lowhouseblue

edit: this all seems to be disputed.
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Oh dear.

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