| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 12:40 - Nov 9 with 1828 views | DJR |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 12:37 - Nov 9 by baxterbasics |
It is true that UK elections are won on the centre ground. Blair knew it, Cameron knew it, Starmer knows it - and the fringe loons on either side are never happy about it.
Worth adding however - the centre-point of the electorate can and does shift, usually in the opposite direction of travel to the party in power. |
Cameron, the centre ground? You must be joking. |  | |  |
| Reason to vote out the Tories #22,747 on 12:42 - Nov 9 with 1824 views | DJR |
| Reason to vote out the Tories #22,747 on 12:38 - Nov 9 by Buhrer |
2015 was Ed with all of the right wing rags dog whistling "bacon" "strangeness" alerts. |
It didn't help that Miliband had the Blairites sniping from the side lines. | | | |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 12:47 - Nov 9 with 1791 views | DJR |
The right wing furore over the march and on alleged attacks on Poppy sellers inevitably (and presumably deliberately) takes the media focus away from the plight of Palestinian civilians, the actual purpose of the march. | | | |
| Reason to vote out the Tories #22,747 on 12:49 - Nov 9 with 1778 views | Buhrer |
| Reason to vote out the Tories #22,747 on 12:42 - Nov 9 by DJR |
It didn't help that Miliband had the Blairites sniping from the side lines. |
And the collapse of the collaborator Lib Dems (spit) perhaps supported the Tory vote?. As a mature student I will never forgive them (hack). I'm not a supporter of any party but Ed Miliband would have been far better than anything we've had since or are offered now imo. |  | | |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:03 - Nov 9 with 1737 views | DJR |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 12:47 - Nov 9 by DJR |
The right wing furore over the march and on alleged attacks on Poppy sellers inevitably (and presumably deliberately) takes the media focus away from the plight of Palestinian civilians, the actual purpose of the march. |
As regards the supposed Poppy attack, which would have whipped up feelings in the target vote, this is what the BBC reports.
"Police have dropped investigations into an alleged attack on a 78-year-old poppy seller during a pro-Palestinian rally due to "insufficient evidence".
Army veteran Jim Henderson said he was punched and kicked as he tried to pack up his stall at Waverley Station in Edinburgh on Saturday.
British Transport Police said officers had reviewed CCTV footage and spoken to key witnesses.
They said the investigation would not be taken any further."
Assistant Chief Constable Sean O'Callaghan said the review of CCTV footage had been "extensive".
He added: "We have no reason to believe that poppy sellers are at any risk or being intentionally targeted."
And yet is has led to articles such as this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729525/Protect-Poppy-sellers-Calls-ra | | | |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:07 - Nov 9 with 1720 views | BlueBadger |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 11:56 - Nov 9 by baxterbasics |
Yes I think Braverman is far from the 'obvious choice' for the leadership - but she is looking to be the chosen one for that particular element of the party. Badenoch for me would be much more preferable and capable. The moderate wing most likely will see Mordaunt as their candidate. Serious lack of options from the men here - Cleverly? Meh. |
Mordaunt is better at holding the mask in place than Braverman, but she's just as bonkers. |  |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:09 - Nov 9 with 1710 views | Herbivore |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:07 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
Mordaunt is better at holding the mask in place than Braverman, but she's just as bonkers. |
Loves a fight. |  |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:18 - Nov 9 with 1683 views | Plums |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:07 - Nov 9 by BlueBadger |
Mordaunt is better at holding the mask in place than Braverman, but she's just as bonkers. |
The extremely odd military cosplay is very worrying. It's one thing to be a re-enactor but to be a figure in public life wearing a uniform you're not entitled to is extremely strange. |  |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:23 - Nov 9 with 1668 views | jaykay |
drifting they were full steam under that fool.
still he's a character and a fine speaker according to some. if you take the errs umms from his speeches the three words he says are great  |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:56 - Nov 9 with 1633 views | DJR |
These are some of the top-rated comments about Braverman on the Mail site.
A good woman in an impossible job
She right on so many issues but not being heard .
She is the only tory mp with a pair leave her alone
She is right. We have seen it play out on television. People being told by the police to remove the English flag whilst Hamas and Palistinian flags are allowed to be flow. | | | |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 14:47 - Nov 9 with 1591 views | ChaplinsLob |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:56 - Nov 9 by DJR |
These are some of the top-rated comments about Braverman on the Mail site.
A good woman in an impossible job
She right on so many issues but not being heard .
She is the only tory mp with a pair leave her alone
She is right. We have seen it play out on television. People being told by the police to remove the English flag whilst Hamas and Palistinian flags are allowed to be flow. |
Not being heard? She's been deafening this week. |  | | |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 15:21 - Nov 9 with 1552 views | eireblue |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 14:47 - Nov 9 by ChaplinsLob |
Not being heard? She's been deafening this week. |
Yea, I think the comment writer was trying to spell obeyed. |  | | |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 17:52 - Nov 9 with 1460 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Need to offer a "positive agenda for change".
Because the last 23 years of Labour Government has done so much damage! |  |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 17:54 - Nov 9 with 1452 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 10:51 - Nov 9 by Sivell |
I can’t work out if she is mad, plain stupid, or playing a calculated game aimed at cementing her position as the darling of the right. Certainly, after seeing her, Patel, Rees-Mogg and Farage together, leading the new Tories after their election defeat, we will never have to worry about them in power again.
Just to confirm this, my wife, who voted Tory once (long before she met me I add), has received a letter from our local MP. It contains thinly-veiled racism and plays into people’s fears, even attacking the Labour council over ‘helping’ immigrants, etc.
It is so awful… |
One week the headline is about prisons being full. The next, the King's Speech is about stricter sentences to protect us from serious crime like illegal immigration! | |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 18:00 - Nov 9 with 1440 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 11:18 - Nov 9 by Herbivore |
If she does end up being right she should be charged with incitement, given the way she's been seeking to stoke divisions and create a particular narrative about the protests and about the purpose of armistice day. |
Has a Home Secretary ever been charged with breaking the law? Surely even the Home Secretary isn't above the law. | |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 18:46 - Nov 9 with 1401 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 13:03 - Nov 9 by DJR |
As regards the supposed Poppy attack, which would have whipped up feelings in the target vote, this is what the BBC reports.
"Police have dropped investigations into an alleged attack on a 78-year-old poppy seller during a pro-Palestinian rally due to "insufficient evidence".
Army veteran Jim Henderson said he was punched and kicked as he tried to pack up his stall at Waverley Station in Edinburgh on Saturday.
British Transport Police said officers had reviewed CCTV footage and spoken to key witnesses.
They said the investigation would not be taken any further."
Assistant Chief Constable Sean O'Callaghan said the review of CCTV footage had been "extensive".
He added: "We have no reason to believe that poppy sellers are at any risk or being intentionally targeted."
And yet is has led to articles such as this.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729525/Protect-Poppy-sellers-Calls-ra |
That’s interesting. I wondered at the time if the reported claims were indeed accurate. It seemed very convenient. And I think Id rather it was fabricated rather than the alternative that some scumbag has got away with attacking a charity worker.
I hate this time of year. It seems to bring out the worst in our flag-shagging, statue-guarding ‘patriots’. Let’s hope the culture wars haven’t now emboldened idiots on the ‘other side’ to start attacking British Legion volunteers. Unlikely I’d have thought, but you never know these days. |  |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 18:54 - Nov 9 with 1383 views | Plums |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 18:46 - Nov 9 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s interesting. I wondered at the time if the reported claims were indeed accurate. It seemed very convenient. And I think Id rather it was fabricated rather than the alternative that some scumbag has got away with attacking a charity worker.
I hate this time of year. It seems to bring out the worst in our flag-shagging, statue-guarding ‘patriots’. Let’s hope the culture wars haven’t now emboldened idiots on the ‘other side’ to start attacking British Legion volunteers. Unlikely I’d have thought, but you never know these days. |
I thought this was a really good read. Far too nuanced for some of the knuckledraggers but an important take. I've never seen my dad wear a poppy - after his 22 years of service. It's time I found out why.
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 18:55 - Nov 9 with 1377 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Mad as a box of frogs.
Watching the last knockings of this Government is like the final scenes in Downfall, utterly delusional and trying to do as much damage as they can before they go. [Post edited 9 Nov 2023 18:56]
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 19:17 - Nov 9 with 1319 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 18:54 - Nov 9 by Plums |
I thought this was a really good read. Far too nuanced for some of the knuckledraggers but an important take. I've never seen my dad wear a poppy - after his 22 years of service. It's time I found out why.
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I’m not able to see that unfortunately. I do believe remembrance should be a very personal thing though. Personally, I’m not a fan of people using it as public show of virtue. But if they want to that’s fine as long as they don’t enforce their views on others. If others chose to observe (or not) in a different way, that’s fine too.
I see it a bit like religion: do what you want but don’t dictate to others. | |
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| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 21:17 - Nov 9 with 1260 views | BlueBadger |
| Braverman is genuinely unhinged #674437 on 12:37 - Nov 9 by baxterbasics |
It is true that UK elections are won on the centre ground. Blair knew it, Cameron knew it, Starmer knows it - and the fringe loons on either side are never happy about it.
Worth adding however - the centre-point of the electorate can and does shift, usually in the opposite direction of travel to the party in power. |
Free market extremist and austerity enthusiast Cameron was nowhere near the centre ground. | |
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