| Is this the worst government in living memory. 07:44 - Nov 12 with 4831 views | Mercian |
I was only a baby during the later days of the dark 70s and only remember the later days of the Thatcher reign with any understanding. The governments I do remember well do not even come close to this bunch of *****. Do any older folk here remember anything worse? |  | | |  |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 21:12 - Nov 12 with 1168 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 13:16 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
Has any government ever, anywhere been any good?
Compared to most places things aren't so bad. |
I am sure no government anywhere has been perfect but your implication that whoever is in charge makes little difference and nothing is too bad as it is really doesn't hold up to evidence.
Some governments have brought in all sorts of social reforms, a National Health Service, etc, etc.
There is currently a government that is driving more children into poverty than ever before, is raising the country's debt levels and has, until recently, been openly misappropriating taxpayers' money.
Has any government ever, anywhere been any good? There have certainly been many much better than this one. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 22:13 - Nov 12 with 1126 views | Whos_blue |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 19:57 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
Careful this lot of left-wingers on here want free speech as long as they don't have a different opinion to their own! |
I think that's a bit of an unfair generalisation.
There are occasional spats, often involving long term sparring partners, but in the main people express many different opinions here in a respectful way. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 22:20 - Nov 12 with 1115 views | WeWereZombies |
Being able to remember all the way back to the mid sixties and the ramshackle downfall of Alec Douglas-Home (I started reading The Telegraph at quite a young age) I guess the Liz Truss administration (maladministration ?) ranks lowest - I was in Argentina a few weeks after she fell and reading the Lonely Planet about the country. In the history section a period when three governments happened within a few weeks was accompanied by a sentiment along the lines of Argentina is a crazy place and things happen differently there but I no longer felt able to smile and nod sagely.
What makes matters even worse is that the United Kingdom was a financially poorer (though probably a slightly more equal in terms of access to health and education) society the Governments then faced up to the challenges and took their jobs seriously (even if you didn't like their policies it was obvious that they were committed to working towards what was expected of them. The governments of the last ten years seem more preoccupied with deflecting and avoiding both the major issues currently facing them in terms of inequality and threats to the National Health Service as well as being pitiful in making future commitments to put measures in place to cope with climate change and the rise of kleptocrats in many nations across the World. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 23:24 - Nov 12 with 1083 views | orfordbuoy |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 21:12 - Nov 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am sure no government anywhere has been perfect but your implication that whoever is in charge makes little difference and nothing is too bad as it is really doesn't hold up to evidence.
Some governments have brought in all sorts of social reforms, a National Health Service, etc, etc.
There is currently a government that is driving more children into poverty than ever before, is raising the country's debt levels and has, until recently, been openly misappropriating taxpayers' money.
Has any government ever, anywhere been any good? There have certainly been many much better than this one. |
'National Health Service'. What are we talking about Attlee/Bevan? So your best and only example of a decent government is on the 1940's?
Bit of an own goal there and proves my point.
Maybe, think before you post next time, mate. |  | | |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 23:44 - Nov 12 with 1065 views | orfordbuoy |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 23:24 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
'National Health Service'. What are we talking about Attlee/Bevan? So your best and only example of a decent government is on the 1940's?
Bit of an own goal there and proves my point.
Maybe, think before you post next time, mate. |
Dickie - any thoughts? | | | |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 06:46 - Nov 13 with 975 views | wkj |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 23:24 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
'National Health Service'. What are we talking about Attlee/Bevan? So your best and only example of a decent government is on the 1940's?
Bit of an own goal there and proves my point.
Maybe, think before you post next time, mate. |
There is currently a government that is driving more children into poverty than ever before, is raising the country's debt levels and has, until recently, been openly misappropriating taxpayers' money.
Is the more telling part. My family is mostly conservative voters but even they know this current party has been mutated into something terrible by the far right. If people genuinely think we need a far right government then time will tell, but much like Brexit - It's a hodge podge of incidents that is attempting to gain popularity by divisionism. Both Brexit and Home affairs would have been much more effective if politics was based on winning votes with a solid and tangible manifesto - but that's not the norm now. Play to the drum of tribalism and make it up as we go along, that's where we are now and its putting the UK into decline. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 07:46 - Nov 13 with 952 views | Darth_Koont |
Yes. But we haven’t reached bottom yet. As Braverman shows, we can still slide even further downwards and rightwards.
It’s also not a coincidence that we have the worst opposition and political media in living memory at the same time.
Standards of truthfulness, integrity and serving people rather than oneself and one’s own interests have never been lower in public life. In the modern era at any rate. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 07:56 - Nov 13 with 932 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 07:46 - Nov 13 by Darth_Koont |
Yes. But we haven’t reached bottom yet. As Braverman shows, we can still slide even further downwards and rightwards.
It’s also not a coincidence that we have the worst opposition and political media in living memory at the same time.
Standards of truthfulness, integrity and serving people rather than oneself and one’s own interests have never been lower in public life. In the modern era at any rate. |
“Ah, the old 'they're all the same' line.” |  | | |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:06 - Nov 13 with 922 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 07:56 - Nov 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Ah, the old 'they're all the same' line.” |
Easier to dismiss than deal with what I’m saying.
I actually think Starmer et al are worse in many respects. Total Blairite cult with an insane attitude to actual left-wing politics and values. | |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:08 - Nov 13 with 912 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:06 - Nov 13 by Darth_Koont |
Easier to dismiss than deal with what I’m saying.
I actually think Starmer et al are worse in many respects. Total Blairite cult with an insane attitude to actual left-wing politics and values. |
“I actually think Starmer et al are worse in many respects”
I’m sure you do…some people think the earth is flat…that’s also a load of bollox. | | | |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:13 - Nov 13 with 891 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:08 - Nov 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“I actually think Starmer et al are worse in many respects”
I’m sure you do…some people think the earth is flat…that’s also a load of bollox. |
We’ll see.
I have no desire to see a Conservative government ever again, but I fear that Labour is now to the right of where Cameron’s government were. And I’m pretty confident of calling these people out for being the empty, anti-democratic and establishment-fetishising grifters they really are. [Post edited 13 Nov 2023 8:14]
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:23 - Nov 13 with 861 views | WeWereZombies |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 07:56 - Nov 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Ah, the old 'they're all the same' line.” |
I don't agree with Darth on this one but I think he is being critical rather than dismissive (which, ironically, is what your post is and shows a lack of reasoning on your part.) | |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:34 - Nov 13 with 838 views | nodge_blue |
I think they are brilliant. Lots of fresh ideas and dynamic policies. Fully funded infrastructure policies. Excellent brexit plans. Many chancellors of the exchequer just to get different points of view. And a well balanced Home Secretary.
I also would like to raise another £100 for medicine sans frontiers. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:47 - Nov 13 with 813 views | MK1 |
Depends how old you are I suppose. |  |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 12:31 - Nov 13 with 752 views | pointofblue |
| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 08:13 - Nov 13 by Darth_Koont |
We’ll see.
I have no desire to see a Conservative government ever again, but I fear that Labour is now to the right of where Cameron’s government were. And I’m pretty confident of calling these people out for being the empty, anti-democratic and establishment-fetishising grifters they really are. [Post edited 13 Nov 2023 8:14]
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Here's a question for you, from what you said - would you take a Cameron government, controlled by the moderates of the Tory party, over a Starmer government right now? | |
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| Is this the worst government in living memory. on 12:35 - Nov 13 with 747 views | WeWereZombies |
To return to the original question, actually I think that the Callaghan administration was not too far off the awfulness of Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak. As well as burying his head in the sand about how bad the economic crisis was at the time Callaghan also mismanaged the public relations so badly that Thatcher was elected in his place. | |
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