| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview 12:44 - Nov 22 with 9406 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
I have an interview tomorrow for a job as a virtual Health Coach, with a London/Stockholm-based, virtual healthcare, start-up company who are operating in the UK and a few European countries.
The advert simply stated 'competitive compensation package' so I am guessing they might ask me what my salary expectations are. I have no idea how to answer this in an interview, so can anyone please give me some recommendations?
They know from my application that I would be bringing knowledge and experience through working as a physiotherapist. If I were still in the NHS I'd probably be a Band 6 by now, which would be £35,392.
Although this role isn't specifically that of a physiotherapist, I'd not like to be relatively highly underpaid for the transferable skills and knowledge that I'd be bringing, although I'm not imagining that they would be offering £35k for this role.
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:49 - Nov 23 with 2869 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:40 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
Nice one.
You seem to have convinced yourself that £35k is beyond what they'll pay. Wondering why, is that just on the basis of the google search of what similar roles pay?
Am sure "market rate" for the role will be a factor, but so too will the quality of candidate and what you are worth to them.
I remember once holding out for a few more grand from an employer (an internal move) and simply asked "Do you want me to fully focused and committed in this role or looking for another job because I feel underpaid/valued? "
I got what I was after - don't for a moment forget that you and your skills are valuable and shouldn't be undersold. In my experience getting decent rises within a role is a rarity - the time you get them are when changing positions! |
Thank you.
The reason I've told myself that I'd get less in this role is because the job description doesn't demand any type of health-related degree, and states that healthcare experience is beneficial but not essential, and that training will be given regarding common health conditions and how to manage them.
Love the approach you took in that situation! | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:53 - Nov 23 with 2853 views | bluelagos |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:49 - Nov 23 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Thank you.
The reason I've told myself that I'd get less in this role is because the job description doesn't demand any type of health-related degree, and states that healthcare experience is beneficial but not essential, and that training will be given regarding common health conditions and how to manage them.
Love the approach you took in that situation! |
I think the fact that it's a new position will also count in your favour. They may be expecting to invest (and pay for) lots of training - if you can convince them that you will hit the ground running early - that will be worth a lot to them.
Seriously, recognise what you are bringing to the table, and don't undervalue yourself. They want your labour, you want to be properly rewarded - and part of that (for both sides) recognises the hard work you have already done in getting the qualification and skillset you have.
Good luck :-) |  |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 17:03 - Nov 23 with 2831 views | GeoffSentence |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 12:54 - Nov 22 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Good suggestion. I'd not want to appear unrealistic and risk creating a bad impression and shooting myself in the foot, however.
I just Googled 'virtual health coach salary' and the results showed an average of £26,736 in the UK generally, and an average of £28,513 in London.
I suppose it goes back to the idea of asking for more than you realistically want/expect, to show some 'compromise' when they subsequently want to bring it down. |
Glassdoor has a spread of £23K - £34 K as the average for one of them, with the median being £28K
https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/uk-virtual-health-coach-salary-SRCH_IL.0,2_ |  |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 18:07 - Nov 23 with 2782 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:53 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
I think the fact that it's a new position will also count in your favour. They may be expecting to invest (and pay for) lots of training - if you can convince them that you will hit the ground running early - that will be worth a lot to them.
Seriously, recognise what you are bringing to the table, and don't undervalue yourself. They want your labour, you want to be properly rewarded - and part of that (for both sides) recognises the hard work you have already done in getting the qualification and skillset you have.
Good luck :-) |
I hadn't considered the point about probably not needing as much training.
Also, you're right. I seem to be putting myself down a bit for some reason. I'll reflect on that.
Thanks. :) | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 18:07 - Nov 23 with 2779 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Interesting. I'd not seen that spread so I'll bear that in mind.
Thank you. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:00 - Dec 1 with 2573 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I've been invited to a second interview next week, with someone who according to LinkedIn is a clinical lead at the company with a background in nursing.
I've asked the recruiter at the company who I spoke to previously if he has any tips for me ahead of the next interview.
I am putting a lot of hope into getting this job, as due to general personal circumstances, the opportunity to have a job which is largely remote would honestly be life-changing for me.
How can I avoid myself getting 'needy' in relation to this job?
Does anyone have any general tips for how I can nail this second interview and be offered the job? I've never pursued anything with a virtual/start-up/growth company before.
I understand the company very well from the preparation that I did for the previous interview.
On a side note, as expected, there was a little bit of 'awkwardness' following the first interview, where the recruiter told me that there was a salary mismatch. For this job, depending on experience, they are offering up to £30k, so I stressed again the fact that I wasn't actually saying that I wanted/needed mid 30s. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:07 - Dec 1 with 2535 views | unbelievablue |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:40 - Nov 23 by bluelagos |
Nice one.
You seem to have convinced yourself that £35k is beyond what they'll pay. Wondering why, is that just on the basis of the google search of what similar roles pay?
Am sure "market rate" for the role will be a factor, but so too will the quality of candidate and what you are worth to them.
I remember once holding out for a few more grand from an employer (an internal move) and simply asked "Do you want me to fully focused and committed in this role or looking for another job because I feel underpaid/valued? "
I got what I was after - don't for a moment forget that you and your skills are valuable and shouldn't be undersold. In my experience getting decent rises within a role is a rarity - the time you get them are when changing positions! |
Not getting it 'right' at the start can also have a knock-on effect later on.
I undersold my experience and didn't negotiate and ended up at the lower end of the scale when I joined my current employer. I've since been promoted a grade (go me), but I'm now at the bottom end of THAT scale.
It was a significant salary jump but the organisation/management are now in a position to say "well you did have quite a big jump" (rightly or wrongly). [Post edited 1 Dec 2023 15:08]
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:16 - Dec 1 with 2454 views | tractorboy1978 |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:00 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I've been invited to a second interview next week, with someone who according to LinkedIn is a clinical lead at the company with a background in nursing.
I've asked the recruiter at the company who I spoke to previously if he has any tips for me ahead of the next interview.
I am putting a lot of hope into getting this job, as due to general personal circumstances, the opportunity to have a job which is largely remote would honestly be life-changing for me.
How can I avoid myself getting 'needy' in relation to this job?
Does anyone have any general tips for how I can nail this second interview and be offered the job? I've never pursued anything with a virtual/start-up/growth company before.
I understand the company very well from the preparation that I did for the previous interview.
On a side note, as expected, there was a little bit of 'awkwardness' following the first interview, where the recruiter told me that there was a salary mismatch. For this job, depending on experience, they are offering up to £30k, so I stressed again the fact that I wasn't actually saying that I wanted/needed mid 30s. |
Would you take the job regardless of what they offered? It sounds a bit like you would. I think you need to know your worth and have a minimum salary you are prepared to take. Not that money is everything but it seems you are £5k short of where you could be before you even start.
On the interview front, I'd say just be yourself, sell your experience and how it relates to the job, ask questions and try and get a feel for the place/culture. Interviews should be both ways, try not to go into it with the assumption you definitely want the job. I understand remote working may be a big thing for you but you want to make sure everything else about the role suits you too (money, culture, actual day to day duties of the role etc). [Post edited 1 Dec 2023 15:25]
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:34 - Dec 1 with 2474 views | _clive_baker_ |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:00 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I've been invited to a second interview next week, with someone who according to LinkedIn is a clinical lead at the company with a background in nursing.
I've asked the recruiter at the company who I spoke to previously if he has any tips for me ahead of the next interview.
I am putting a lot of hope into getting this job, as due to general personal circumstances, the opportunity to have a job which is largely remote would honestly be life-changing for me.
How can I avoid myself getting 'needy' in relation to this job?
Does anyone have any general tips for how I can nail this second interview and be offered the job? I've never pursued anything with a virtual/start-up/growth company before.
I understand the company very well from the preparation that I did for the previous interview.
On a side note, as expected, there was a little bit of 'awkwardness' following the first interview, where the recruiter told me that there was a salary mismatch. For this job, depending on experience, they are offering up to £30k, so I stressed again the fact that I wasn't actually saying that I wanted/needed mid 30s. |
Nice to see an update TIMU, especially a positive one like this! If it was too much of a mismatch I wouldn't think they would waste everyone's time in giving you a 2nd interview.
I've worked with and for very early stage businesses before. If they have sufficient funding to pay £28k a year, they probably have sufficient funding to pay £33k. The right person could be worth a damn site more to them in terms of helping them achieve their growth aspirations and a future valuation. You need to do what you've evidently done so far in the process and prove to them that you're that right person.
Back yourself, and put yourself in a position where they want you to join them. I'm sure you can find a common ground with regards to salary. |  | | |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:01 - Dec 1 with 2435 views | bluelagos |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:00 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I've been invited to a second interview next week, with someone who according to LinkedIn is a clinical lead at the company with a background in nursing.
I've asked the recruiter at the company who I spoke to previously if he has any tips for me ahead of the next interview.
I am putting a lot of hope into getting this job, as due to general personal circumstances, the opportunity to have a job which is largely remote would honestly be life-changing for me.
How can I avoid myself getting 'needy' in relation to this job?
Does anyone have any general tips for how I can nail this second interview and be offered the job? I've never pursued anything with a virtual/start-up/growth company before.
I understand the company very well from the preparation that I did for the previous interview.
On a side note, as expected, there was a little bit of 'awkwardness' following the first interview, where the recruiter told me that there was a salary mismatch. For this job, depending on experience, they are offering up to £30k, so I stressed again the fact that I wasn't actually saying that I wanted/needed mid 30s. |
So one other tip - especially on salary - is to consider your next job.
So will this one lead to something better/higher/more interesting/better rewarded in your next role? Will help you get that step up?
If the answer is a firm yes, then taking a couple of grand less now will be well worth it in the long term.
If the answer is no, then why take the job at all? (Unless it's your final one and you are coining it)
Reckon you've played it well so far - just be yourself - and if possible leave salary out of the conversation until the very end.
And ref future opportunities - don't be shy to ask. Where do they see you in 3 years time? Different role? Same but bigger role? Put them on the spot. Will tell you a bit about whether they value your development. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:58 - Dec 1 with 2391 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:34 - Dec 1 by _clive_baker_ |
Nice to see an update TIMU, especially a positive one like this! If it was too much of a mismatch I wouldn't think they would waste everyone's time in giving you a 2nd interview.
I've worked with and for very early stage businesses before. If they have sufficient funding to pay £28k a year, they probably have sufficient funding to pay £33k. The right person could be worth a damn site more to them in terms of helping them achieve their growth aspirations and a future valuation. You need to do what you've evidently done so far in the process and prove to them that you're that right person.
Back yourself, and put yourself in a position where they want you to join them. I'm sure you can find a common ground with regards to salary. |
Thank you CB! | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:59 - Dec 1 with 2389 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:01 - Dec 1 by bluelagos |
So one other tip - especially on salary - is to consider your next job.
So will this one lead to something better/higher/more interesting/better rewarded in your next role? Will help you get that step up?
If the answer is a firm yes, then taking a couple of grand less now will be well worth it in the long term.
If the answer is no, then why take the job at all? (Unless it's your final one and you are coining it)
Reckon you've played it well so far - just be yourself - and if possible leave salary out of the conversation until the very end.
And ref future opportunities - don't be shy to ask. Where do they see you in 3 years time? Different role? Same but bigger role? Put them on the spot. Will tell you a bit about whether they value your development. |
Thank you BL, I'll definitely ask those questions.
With regards to 'why take the job at all?' - as of the start of November I am 'between jobs' so I need to find something ASAP. I'm thinking of a good way to phrase why I left my last job. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 17:41 - Dec 1 with 2360 views | bluelagos |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 16:59 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Thank you BL, I'll definitely ask those questions.
With regards to 'why take the job at all?' - as of the start of November I am 'between jobs' so I need to find something ASAP. I'm thinking of a good way to phrase why I left my last job. |
Yeah, that's really important and they will ask - or at least they will wonder - so far better to address it than to ignore it.
One great last question.
"I think the job definitely appeals to me and fits in with my career aspirations.
In terms of the job spec and what you are looking for - are there any areas or gaps in my experience, knowledge or capabilities where you are unsure of what I can bring?"
Gives them the opportunity to raise any final areas that you haven't ticked off a relevant box (and for you to address them). Worst case it lets you know if there are any gaps for next time...
Good luck. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 19:21 - Dec 1 with 2325 views | jayessess |
Would say, as a trade union rep, that employers who don't deign to list the salary range in the job advert are a bit of a red flag in general and it's increasingly looked upon as bad HR practice. There's no real reason to do it, other than that you're vaguely hopeful you can exploit someone's situation to pay less for someone's skill than you ought to.
If you're in a position to do so, do try to state your genuine salary expectations for the role and for your relevant experience. It's good in general as an employee to know and state your worth, and it's a sign of a good employer to recognise that value and worth. [Post edited 1 Dec 2023 19:29]
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 19:49 - Dec 1 with 2288 views | Swansea_Blue |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:00 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I've been invited to a second interview next week, with someone who according to LinkedIn is a clinical lead at the company with a background in nursing.
I've asked the recruiter at the company who I spoke to previously if he has any tips for me ahead of the next interview.
I am putting a lot of hope into getting this job, as due to general personal circumstances, the opportunity to have a job which is largely remote would honestly be life-changing for me.
How can I avoid myself getting 'needy' in relation to this job?
Does anyone have any general tips for how I can nail this second interview and be offered the job? I've never pursued anything with a virtual/start-up/growth company before.
I understand the company very well from the preparation that I did for the previous interview.
On a side note, as expected, there was a little bit of 'awkwardness' following the first interview, where the recruiter told me that there was a salary mismatch. For this job, depending on experience, they are offering up to £30k, so I stressed again the fact that I wasn't actually saying that I wanted/needed mid 30s. |
A relevant experience I had in a start up (years ago though) is that although they may offer relatively low salaries initially, they have the opportunity for significant growth. So you could find there’s a chance of decent pay rises later if they do well and your face fits (as much about character as anything in a small team, assuming at least basic competence). Mind you, they can also be quite vulnerable places too if they don’t take off and match expectations.
If I was you I’d be rating how I feel about the place/people there. There’s not many places to hide in a startup, so you’ll need to like working there and like the people. If you’ve got good vibes, that’s probably the most important thing. |  |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 19:53 - Dec 1 with 2285 views | Plums |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:00 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I've been invited to a second interview next week, with someone who according to LinkedIn is a clinical lead at the company with a background in nursing.
I've asked the recruiter at the company who I spoke to previously if he has any tips for me ahead of the next interview.
I am putting a lot of hope into getting this job, as due to general personal circumstances, the opportunity to have a job which is largely remote would honestly be life-changing for me.
How can I avoid myself getting 'needy' in relation to this job?
Does anyone have any general tips for how I can nail this second interview and be offered the job? I've never pursued anything with a virtual/start-up/growth company before.
I understand the company very well from the preparation that I did for the previous interview.
On a side note, as expected, there was a little bit of 'awkwardness' following the first interview, where the recruiter told me that there was a salary mismatch. For this job, depending on experience, they are offering up to £30k, so I stressed again the fact that I wasn't actually saying that I wanted/needed mid 30s. |
There's loads of good advice elsewhere on the thread but the startup angle is a good one to hook into. Given you have a second interview, it's almost certain (but not a given) they believe you can do the job so there are may be other opportunities.
Particularly given the salary gap, I'd suggest thinking about how you can add extra value to a young company because that will be very attractive. e.g. are you really flexible, proactive and happy to pick up things that may be outside your role profile that need doing to move the company forwards? Do you have market, customer or competitor insight to bring?
Are there tools, techniques or other assets that you can use to accelerate things?
Young and growing companies (and projects) are like kids, after the excitement of finding out who you are, the teenage years are hard and anything that makes it easier is very appealing.
You may find you have more than £5k pa in added value that they're excited about bringing in.
Don't go mad with a pitch but you've done your research so if there's anything there to hook into, I'd suggest seizing an opportunity to show it or frame your questions so you can bring it out.
Good luck! [Post edited 1 Dec 2023 20:03]
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 21:14 - Dec 1 with 2254 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Thank you again for the further helpful replies! | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 00:08 - Dec 2 with 2217 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 21:14 - Dec 1 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Thank you again for the further helpful replies! |
I have no advice to offer but do wish you the very best of luck. |  |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 08:54 - Dec 2 with 2166 views | Powrigan |
I just ask the agencies to state the salary range before giving away my expectations.
If it is below my minimal expectation , I just say thanks, but no thanks as there is no point wasting time on interviews for jobs where they value you so low. Some calls I get are for senior roles with a salary range I was earning as a relative junior 10 years ago!! [Post edited 2 Dec 2023 20:11]
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 13:27 - Dec 5 with 2011 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I had the second interview today with one of the clinical leads at the company.
All seemed to go well, with the interview ending by her saying that she's excited that people like myself want to join the company and that she thinks I'd bring a lot of skills to it; asking me about any current notice periods (I explained my current situation); and that the next step is for her to speak to HR.
If I don't get it based on that I'll be gutted. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 13:39 - Dec 5 with 1994 views | _clive_baker_ |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 13:27 - Dec 5 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I had the second interview today with one of the clinical leads at the company.
All seemed to go well, with the interview ending by her saying that she's excited that people like myself want to join the company and that she thinks I'd bring a lot of skills to it; asking me about any current notice periods (I explained my current situation); and that the next step is for her to speak to HR.
If I don't get it based on that I'll be gutted. |
Sounds promising TIMU, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you chap. | | | |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 13:48 - Dec 5 with 1973 views | Plums |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 13:27 - Dec 5 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Update.
I had the second interview today with one of the clinical leads at the company.
All seemed to go well, with the interview ending by her saying that she's excited that people like myself want to join the company and that she thinks I'd bring a lot of skills to it; asking me about any current notice periods (I explained my current situation); and that the next step is for her to speak to HR.
If I don't get it based on that I'll be gutted. |
It sounds as though you've done as much as you can.
Fingers crossed for the outcome you want. | |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 15:30 - Dec 5 with 1910 views | aardvaark |
| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview on 12:51 - Nov 22 by homer_123 |
So, in regards to work, money is not everything, far from it.
I've changed jobs to do something I enjoy/ enjoy more or a better work/life balance and taken a pay cut to do so and cut my cloth to suit.
That being said, you still need to earn enough and know what your worth is.
You need to have a figure in mind that you are happy with.
I echo Facters on this. |
I have done the same - am taking a pay cut as this means , to me, less stress, and hopefully better for my mental health & blood pressure. |  |
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| FAO anyone in recruitment re salary conversation in interview (n/t) on 18:18 - Dec 8 with 1721 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
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