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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 12:15 - Dec 15 by giant_stow
Removed - not appropriate - apologies to the poster involved
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I must have missed this. I confess I don't always come back to posts to read the replies, but I don't remember any interactions with Lowhouse about the 14th Century.
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 12:47 - Dec 15 with 1211 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 12:46 - Dec 15 by CoachRob
I must have missed this. I confess I don't always come back to posts to read the replies, but I don't remember any interactions with Lowhouse about the 14th Century.
I can't really reply now Coach, or I reduce my apology to bollox. Sorry for bringing you into it too.
Edit: Gawd, ever wished you'd given your typing finger something else to do?! What a dickhead I am - stand down everyone!
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 11:40 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
i have never known that to be the case in humanities or social sciences. political criticism from the government, a opposed to having work trashed by other researchers, has always been a badge of honour.
edit: and again, why the insults needed. it's boring and tedious. why do you feel the need to belittle people who disagree with you? telling me i don't know anything about it is just rude.
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There are no insults in my post, just a statement of fact. Here's an example that I found after 2 seconds of googling.
what! you think kathleen stock resigned because of government criticism??? michelle donelan, the minister, was defending her!! she was driven out by intolerance and political activism WITHIN the academic community. you really couldn't have got that more completely the wrong way round.
and: "There are no insults in my post, just a statement of fact". really, just grow up.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 19:40 - Dec 15 with 925 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 15:00 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
what! you think kathleen stock resigned because of government criticism??? michelle donelan, the minister, was defending her!! she was driven out by intolerance and political activism WITHIN the academic community. you really couldn't have got that more completely the wrong way round.
and: "There are no insults in my post, just a statement of fact". really, just grow up.
It’s an absolute mess. Donelan may have made some positive noises in this particular case, but she’s been sticking her oar in left right and centre. The Govt trawl through social media posts of academics looking for reasons to raise complaints. They pressurise universities and some of our key funders and collaborators. It’s Orwellian. And yes, that goes on in the Humanities and Social Sciences.
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 10:00 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
really well done on the demonstration of arrogance and self-righteousness. you do it beautifully and you really are a patronising twerp. people have asserted that badenoch criticising an article is an 'attack on academic freedom' but they haven't provided ANY logical reason to support that. none. academic freedom does not require academics or their research to be protected from criticism and debate. quite the opposite in fact. academic freedom depends upon, is strengthened by, and at its heart essentially is, criticism and debate. an article using an entirely modern (and contentious) reading of the 14th century to back up assertions about race and structural inequality in the modern world (a world in which almost nothing is the same) deserves challenge and critique. in academia over the decades, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, there has been a vast increase in institutions and research output much of which is of pretty mixed quality. placing a very heavy handed modern political agenda on historical research may well be an example of that. and waving around our professions and qualifications etc on a football message board like big willies isn't something i'm in to to be honest.
They explained it, you just then did your usual Wenger routine and said "I don't see it" and think that's somehow an argument rather than an assertion. And if I'm a patronising twerp, I'd love to know what that makes you.
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 10:48 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
it's very difficult because academic research in the humanities and social sciences can't and shouldn't exist in separation from wider public debate about policy and politics. no one in academia would want it to. personalised attacks in the way of your colleague are disgusting and unacceptable, but that it a much wider issue about how people behave and the character of public debate in a social media world. i don't think you can expect politicians not to engage in political debate and controversy because of that though. this also has to be set in the context of academia which more broadly is very supportive of work which is ideologically alien to the tories and in which the range of political views represented has become increasingly narrow. any 'chilling effect' has to be set in the, for the authors, very supportive context of current academic values and beliefs. i agree with you that the impulse behind cancel culture is two sided, but the power within academia is currently is very much on one side. a researcher currently challenging notions of structural racism for example would probably have a very hard time from broader colleagues.
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother".
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:38 - Dec 15 by Herbivore
They explained it, you just then did your usual Wenger routine and said "I don't see it" and think that's somehow an argument rather than an assertion. And if I'm a patronising twerp, I'd love to know what that makes you.
you're a patronising twerp and you never engage with what's posted. you're all put down and zero content. it's very dull.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:50 - Dec 15 with 850 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:43 - Dec 15 by Herbivore
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother".
snide attempt at cleverness. zero content.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:53 - Dec 15 with 832 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 19:40 - Dec 15 by Swansea_Blue
It’s an absolute mess. Donelan may have made some positive noises in this particular case, but she’s been sticking her oar in left right and centre. The Govt trawl through social media posts of academics looking for reasons to raise complaints. They pressurise universities and some of our key funders and collaborators. It’s Orwellian. And yes, that goes on in the Humanities and Social Sciences.
academia is robust against government. i'm not aware of examples of universities folding under political pressure from ministers. the pressure acting on universities is coming from academics themselves and from social media activists. alas, kathleen stock is a real example of how academic freedom is being challenged in practice. none of the pressure on stock came from the government. the government pressurising funders isn't orwellian, it's made up.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:56 - Dec 15 with 816 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:55 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
academia is robust against government. i'm not aware of examples of universities folding under political pressure from ministers. the pressure acting on universities is coming from academics themselves and from social media activists. alas, kathleen stock is a real example of how academic freedom is being challenged in practice. none of the pressure on stock came from the government. the government pressurising funders isn't orwellian, it's made up.
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother".
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:55 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
academia is robust against government. i'm not aware of examples of universities folding under political pressure from ministers. the pressure acting on universities is coming from academics themselves and from social media activists. alas, kathleen stock is a real example of how academic freedom is being challenged in practice. none of the pressure on stock came from the government. the government pressurising funders isn't orwellian, it's made up.
That tells me all I need to know then, thanks. If you’re not aware of government pressure you clearly don’t work in the sector.
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 20:55 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
academia is robust against government. i'm not aware of examples of universities folding under political pressure from ministers. the pressure acting on universities is coming from academics themselves and from social media activists. alas, kathleen stock is a real example of how academic freedom is being challenged in practice. none of the pressure on stock came from the government. the government pressurising funders isn't orwellian, it's made up.
I wonder why educated folk who are keen on evidence and dislike empty rhetoric and outright dishonesty have a problem with the government? Must be one of those a genders or something.
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 07:36 - Dec 15 by Herbivore
Can you please explain the left-wing authoritarian meaning without merely regurgitating the right-wing made up trope version of 'woke'? Be interested to hear it.
I'm not really a disciple of Jordan Peterson but he explains it quite well here.
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:02 - Dec 15 by Swansea_Blue
That tells me all I need to know then, thanks. If you’re not aware of government pressure you clearly don’t work in the sector.
in terms of the government altering what universities do and what academics write and teach absolutely no. i know of no examples. and really stop with all the who works where willy waving.
again the threat to academic freedom isn't from the government. if you work in humanities or social sciences you will have had conversations with colleagues - decent, liberal, left-leaning colleagues - about things they dare not say or write for fear of a social media / student / activist backlash. decent people are biting their tongues. that's the real threat to academic freedom.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:24 - Dec 15 with 736 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:06 - Dec 15 by Herbivore
I wonder why educated folk who are keen on evidence and dislike empty rhetoric and outright dishonesty have a problem with the government? Must be one of those a genders or something.
again, sloganising waffle. zero content.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:34 - Dec 15 with 703 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:11 - Dec 15 by Trequartista
I'm not really a disciple of Jordan Peterson but he explains it quite well here.
If you're not a fan of Jordan Peterson, which nobody should be, then explain it in your own words rather than relying on someone we all know is a ball bag.
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:23 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
in terms of the government altering what universities do and what academics write and teach absolutely no. i know of no examples. and really stop with all the who works where willy waving.
again the threat to academic freedom isn't from the government. if you work in humanities or social sciences you will have had conversations with colleagues - decent, liberal, left-leaning colleagues - about things they dare not say or write for fear of a social media / student / activist backlash. decent people are biting their tongues. that's the real threat to academic freedom.
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother".
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:36 - Dec 15 by Herbivore
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother".
smart arse nothingness.
actually, if you ever need to change your user name i think i've nailed it for you.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 22:18 - Dec 15 with 615 views
Can one of you anti woke boys explain the problem here? on 21:54 - Dec 15 by lowhouseblue
smart arse nothingness.
actually, if you ever need to change your user name i think i've nailed it for you.
"He gazed up at Kemi, that cruel face, and he saw that it was actually Guardian readers and academics that were the problem. And he realised it was all okay. He loved the Tories".
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