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... something other than our wonderful manager?

Too much fretting and fussing.

The floor is yours...

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:04 - May 21 with 2413 viewsJ2BLUE

Does anyone want to talk about... on 12:45 - May 21 by footers

Go for it, J2.

I am an open book.

What is your question?


What's your favourite animal?

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:06 - May 21 with 2396 viewsford6600

Does anyone want to talk about... on 12:51 - May 21 by Kropotkin123

I wanted to talk about next season's targets...

Targets by Kropotkin123 20 May 2024 7:32
I'm here to save you from the endless KM rumours!

Ipswich come into the 2024-25 Premiership season with two consecutive 2nd place finishes. Town will be seeking to replicate this and may deem anything less than second as a failure. So too will Arsenal, who themselves have finished second two seasons in a row. One thing is for certain, next season, at least one of these teams won’t finish second.

https://i.ibb.co/rmgFVRt/2.png

Since the top tier moved to 20 teams 86 teams have been promoted. You may speculate that this is bad maths. But in the 1994-95 season only two clubs were promoted. Reading finished second and missed out to Bolton in the Play-offs. Don’t feel too sorry for them though, in 2005-06, Reading got promoted with a record points total (106) and never looked back.

The most impressive performance by a promoted team was a team you may have heard of - Ipswich. Written off by everyone following their play-off success, Ipswich amassed 66 points, finishing 5th and qualifying for Europe. Town are the only promoted team to win more than half their games and have the highest goal difference. If they can’t finish second, Town may have to settle for European qualification.

https://i.ibb.co/C8wVBTk/Pts-Best.png

At the other end of the talent pool we find the worst teams of the modern era. Of course, Norwich are so bad we see them twice. Ipswich will be wanting to chalk those totals off by Christmas, if we want to put ourselves in a good position to stay up. If we have a tough season, we will still want to better 11 and 22 points.

https://i.ibb.co/jGv9TYq/Pts-Worst.png

At the very least we want to be targeting 17th place. Survival. So we can give ourselves the opportunity to consolidate our position in the league and build. There has been a 12 point range for the teams finishing in 17th (44-32 points). Though this past season we had the lowest total, in part, due to a points deduction. Without that Forest would have finished on 36, the modal average, reducing the range to 10 points (44-34 points). One could argue to stay up we would replace one of the bottom three and need to better this tally.

https://i.ibb.co/6v6fK7g/17.png

Another way of looking at it is we would need to beat the teams in the bottom three. Or, beat the team in 18th place. This season produced the lowest points total for 18th place. Luton were only four points above Norwich’s -61 GD season (26 and 22 respectively). Two thirds of teams are finishing 18th with 33 to 36 points. So you have to count yourself unlucky if you are finishing 18th with 37 or more points. West Ham getting relegated on 42 points can feel particularly hard done by. They would have survived on any other season with that tally and GD.

https://i.ibb.co/NjR7ppn/18.png

From these charts we can argue a few things. 76% of the time, you will finish ahead of the team in 18th with 38 points. If Ipswich get 45 points, it would take a record breaking season for Town to get relegated. If you are planning to survive, this is the number you should target at the beginning of the season, so it is not in the hands of chance.

Of the teams that got relegated, the best GD ever was Middlesbrough on -9. This was in the 1996-97 season when they were relegated with 39 points. The reality of finishing so low is you will see more goals go against you than you do for you. Even in Ipswich’s phenomenal season, Town had a GD of 15. Only 7 promoted teams from 86 have recorded a positive GD in their first season.

https://i.ibb.co/1ZmhqdF/GD-Best.png

It’s even rarer for a team to record >50 goals and still get relegated. So targeting 50 goals would be a reasonable ambition. Though, word of warning, Luton and Leicester have scored >50 in successive seasons and both have been relegated! If we are to score >50 goals, let’s not be the ones to make it 3 in a row. Seeing Luton with such a low points tally and a good goal difference is surprising.

https://i.ibb.co/HCy70NV/GF-Best.png

No relegated team has conceded less than 50 goals. This makes more than 50 goals scored and less than 50 goals conceded a pretty natural target to aim for.

https://i.ibb.co/dKS4zRN/GA-Best.png

So here we have it. I’ll be tracking how we get on against previous seasons in some sort of half-arsed manner. The spreadsheets are loaded up, working automatically. It is just about how regularly I get on to post them. If you want access to the spreadsheets themselves, let me know in a private message. It is currently showing the Championship, as it is pulling from the TWTD table, so when that updates, we should be golden.

Black Line = Derby’s 11 point season
Green Line = Norwich’s 22 point season
Red Line = 45 point safety line
Blue Line = Ipswich’s 66 point season


https://i.ibb.co/hcTZSdL/T-Points.png

Black Line = Derby’s 20 GF
Green Line = Norwich’s 23 GF
Red Line = 50 GF target
Blue Line = Ipswich’s 57 GF


https://i.ibb.co/y87Pt8c/T-GF.png

Black Line = Sheff Utd 104 GA
Green Line = Norwich’s 84 GA
Red Line = 50 GA target
Blue Line = Ipswich’s 42 GA

https://i.ibb.co/NnHLDjs/T-GA.png



As Shakespeare should have said, "a point in the prem is worth 2 in the champs". Seeing we got 96 last season let's get 48 this season..and safety.
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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:09 - May 21 with 2380 viewsleitrimblue

Does anyone want to talk about... on 12:45 - May 21 by footers

Go for it, J2.

I am an open book.

What is your question?


If its not just to torment me why do fig rolls exist?
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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:09 - May 21 with 2377 viewsfooters

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:04 - May 21 by J2BLUE

What's your favourite animal?


Can't say I've ever given it much thought!

Erm, I'll go for dogs. They make me come over all funny when I see them.

I'm not so keen on foxes. A family has made a den under our shed. They were sleeping and sh1tting in a canoe as well.

They'll be dead soon.

Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:10 - May 21 with 2374 viewsKropotkin123

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:06 - May 21 by ford6600

As Shakespeare should have said, "a point in the prem is worth 2 in the champs". Seeing we got 96 last season let's get 48 this season..and safety.


Poetic. It might track that too... Though what happened to Burnley!

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:12 - May 21 with 2356 viewsfooters

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:09 - May 21 by leitrimblue

If its not just to torment me why do fig rolls exist?


Fig rolls are excellent. A much underrated food. If you've any spare, let me know.

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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 13:13 - May 21 with 2321 viewsBloots

I’m going to Cyprus next week… on 12:03 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue

I'm off to Ibiza in three weeks time. Never been before but the Mrs was there last year with the girls and wants to show me around.


....was as a (very) wide eyed 19 year old.

San Antonio.

TWTFD!

"The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025)

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:17 - May 21 with 2339 viewsleitrimblue

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:12 - May 21 by footers

Fig rolls are excellent. A much underrated food. If you've any spare, let me know.


I don't allow fig rolls or carrot cake in the house. I'm quite mild mannered til it comes to poor quality cakes, biscuits or deserts then I become an absolute monster.

Any thing that can't be made palatable by covering it in an inch of cream is not getting pass my newly painted front door
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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:19 - May 21 with 2331 viewsJ2BLUE

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:09 - May 21 by footers

Can't say I've ever given it much thought!

Erm, I'll go for dogs. They make me come over all funny when I see them.

I'm not so keen on foxes. A family has made a den under our shed. They were sleeping and sh1tting in a canoe as well.

They'll be dead soon.



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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:19 - May 21 by J2BLUE




Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:26 - May 21 with 2309 viewsfooters

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:17 - May 21 by leitrimblue

I don't allow fig rolls or carrot cake in the house. I'm quite mild mannered til it comes to poor quality cakes, biscuits or deserts then I become an absolute monster.

Any thing that can't be made palatable by covering it in an inch of cream is not getting pass my newly painted front door


Well, if any unwanted fig rolls turn up on your doorstep, you know where to send 'em. I'll even pay for postage, packaging and import tax.

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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 13:30 - May 21 with 2292 viewsleitrimblue

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 13:13 - May 21 by Bloots

....was as a (very) wide eyed 19 year old.

San Antonio.

TWTFD!


I spent a good bit a time in Ibiza in the early to mid 90,s. Was like the wild West
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Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:56 - May 21 with 2259 viewsleitrimblue

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:26 - May 21 by footers

Well, if any unwanted fig rolls turn up on your doorstep, you know where to send 'em. I'll even pay for postage, packaging and import tax.


I think yer love of the fig roll may be the influence of yer Mayo genetics. Irish lads absolutely love fig rolls. Do you ever get an unexplainable urge to eat a ham sandwich with Kerrygold butter on cheap white sliced bread?
Perhaps a side portion of Cheese an onion Tayto an a glass of red lemonade?
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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 14:00 - May 21 with 2240 viewsGlasgowBlue

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 13:13 - May 21 by Bloots

....was as a (very) wide eyed 19 year old.

San Antonio.

TWTFD!


Yep staying in San Antonio. Booked into Pacha, Pikes and Ocean Beach so far.

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 14:02 - May 21 with 2245 viewsLRB84UK

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:09 - May 21 by leitrimblue

If its not just to torment me why do fig rolls exist?


One of life's most underrated biscuits. Definitely one of my favourites
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Calm down Wayne. (n/t) on 14:03 - May 21 with 2230 viewsBloots

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 14:00 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue

Yep staying in San Antonio. Booked into Pacha, Pikes and Ocean Beach so far.



"The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025)

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 14:03 - May 21 with 2244 viewshoppy

Does anyone want to talk about... on 13:04 - May 21 by J2BLUE

What's your favourite animal?


As a pet, or a meal?

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Does anyone want to talk about... on 14:06 - May 21 with 2223 viewsfooters

Does anyone want to talk about... on 14:02 - May 21 by LRB84UK

One of life's most underrated biscuits. Definitely one of my favourites


More fig rolls for us, innit blad.

These heathens don't know what they're on about.

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Calm down Wayne. (n/t) on 14:30 - May 21 with 2178 viewsGlasgowBlue

Calm down Wayne. (n/t) on 14:03 - May 21 by Bloots




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Does anyone want to talk about... on 18:15 - May 21 with 2131 viewsLRB84UK

Does anyone want to talk about... on 14:06 - May 21 by footers

More fig rolls for us, innit blad.

These heathens don't know what they're on about.


This pleases me. Sadly the local co-op had no fig rolls when I went to get some earlier
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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 18:41 - May 21 with 2108 viewsHerbivore

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 14:00 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue

Yep staying in San Antonio. Booked into Pacha, Pikes and Ocean Beach so far.



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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 19:25 - May 21 with 2081 viewsleitrimblue

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 18:41 - May 21 by Herbivore



Holly feck! What's going on here? Is there more to this story somewhere?
He's almost on full teeth grinding big box little box mode
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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 19:32 - May 21 with 2072 viewsSwansea_Blue

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 19:25 - May 21 by leitrimblue

Holly feck! What's going on here? Is there more to this story somewhere?
He's almost on full teeth grinding big box little box mode


When you say more, do you mean things like leaving the education system in a mess and voting against environmental protection measures despite being the Env Sec? And it’s to see why based on this. A little sh*tweasel of a ‘man’.

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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 19:35 - May 21 with 2065 viewsleitrimblue

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 19:32 - May 21 by Swansea_Blue

When you say more, do you mean things like leaving the education system in a mess and voting against environmental protection measures despite being the Env Sec? And it’s to see why based on this. A little sh*tweasel of a ‘man’.


No I just wanna see more wide eyed dancing
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Last time I went to Ibiza... on 20:14 - May 21 with 2039 viewsGlasgowBlue

Last time I went to Ibiza... on 13:30 - May 21 by leitrimblue

I spent a good bit a time in Ibiza in the early to mid 90,s. Was like the wild West


Similar to when I lived in Tenerife in the early to mid 90's. John Palmer and his enforcer Denis ruled that place based on fear. Had all the local police in their pockets. Definitely a wild time. But great fun if you kept your nose clean. I only got a good beating once in the two years I was there and it was well deserved.

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