| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:35 - Jul 12 with 1376 views | Blueschev |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:32 - Jul 12 by azuremerlangus |
Just weak excuses to not bother. I bet all those passport holders got over ‘travel suppression’ when they wanted to go on holiday though? |
You're less likely to have photo ID if you're A, young, and B, poor. Neither group tend to vote Conservative. It's blatant voter suppression thinly veiled as a solution to a non-existent problem. |  | |  |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 12:07 - Jul 12 with 1313 views | BlueNomad |
Only 46% should feel entitled to moan then! |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 14:56 - Jul 12 with 1259 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:05 - Jul 12 by Cotty |
400,000 voters turned away for not having acceptable ID, and I wonder how many more just stayed away. The turnout is partly a function of the voter suppression laws put in place by the last government. |
This: 400,000 people denied their democratic right to vote is yet another scandal to add to the list. The final wipings on the toilet paper of the record of the last 14 years of Tory Government.
There were then other suppression tactics:
The "don't give Starmer a Super Majority" bs from Tory figures during the campaign.
The "all politicians are the same" low grade bs from commentators.
The "Starmer is boring" nonsense.
And then there were additional factors which may have led to a lower turnout:
The expectation that the result was a foregone conclusion.
A cautious approach from Starmer and Reeves, with consolidation of the already convinced middle ground favoured over hype or big promises.
Sunak's D Day error, and Ministerial Standards issues during the duration of that Parliament, both acting as disincentives to reluctant Conservative voters to turn up.
The lack of the personality cults for either Johnson or Corbyn witnessed in the previous election, which motivated some occasional voters (Farage may have benefited more from those swayed by Presidential style personality politics).
Conjecture, but some Leave voters from the Referendum may now feel disappointed with the outcome, and so think that they got that one wrong, and feel disengaged as a result.
Particularly on the Tory side: donors had largely deserted them, and big names were either too busy fighting in their own seats or were reluctant to turn out (Johnson) so the whole campaign had less star quality and impact than in previous Elections.
So, yes, turnout was down, but there were many reasons for that. Some was deliberate voter suppression, some was down to the serious, almost sober, nature of the campaign, and some the result of many years of turmoil. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:02 - Jul 12 with 1254 views | WD19 |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:05 - Jul 12 by Cotty |
400,000 voters turned away for not having acceptable ID, and I wonder how many more just stayed away. The turnout is partly a function of the voter suppression laws put in place by the last government. |
Of which 350,000 promptly went home and got it I suspect. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:17 - Jul 12 with 1239 views | J2BLUE |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 14:56 - Jul 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
This: 400,000 people denied their democratic right to vote is yet another scandal to add to the list. The final wipings on the toilet paper of the record of the last 14 years of Tory Government.
There were then other suppression tactics:
The "don't give Starmer a Super Majority" bs from Tory figures during the campaign.
The "all politicians are the same" low grade bs from commentators.
The "Starmer is boring" nonsense.
And then there were additional factors which may have led to a lower turnout:
The expectation that the result was a foregone conclusion.
A cautious approach from Starmer and Reeves, with consolidation of the already convinced middle ground favoured over hype or big promises.
Sunak's D Day error, and Ministerial Standards issues during the duration of that Parliament, both acting as disincentives to reluctant Conservative voters to turn up.
The lack of the personality cults for either Johnson or Corbyn witnessed in the previous election, which motivated some occasional voters (Farage may have benefited more from those swayed by Presidential style personality politics).
Conjecture, but some Leave voters from the Referendum may now feel disappointed with the outcome, and so think that they got that one wrong, and feel disengaged as a result.
Particularly on the Tory side: donors had largely deserted them, and big names were either too busy fighting in their own seats or were reluctant to turn out (Johnson) so the whole campaign had less star quality and impact than in previous Elections.
So, yes, turnout was down, but there were many reasons for that. Some was deliberate voter suppression, some was down to the serious, almost sober, nature of the campaign, and some the result of many years of turmoil. |
It's been so refreshing seeing Starmer in the US. We're finally led by a grown up again.
You can see from Biden's entire attitude that he's relieved and happy Starmer is there. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:19 - Jul 12 with 1235 views | WD19 |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:17 - Jul 12 by J2BLUE |
It's been so refreshing seeing Starmer in the US. We're finally led by a grown up again.
You can see from Biden's entire attitude that he's relieved and happy Starmer is there. |
That’s most likely because Starmer introduced himself as Biden’s son and nobody has corrected him yet. Probably. | | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:35 - Jul 12 with 1193 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:17 - Jul 12 by J2BLUE |
It's been so refreshing seeing Starmer in the US. We're finally led by a grown up again.
You can see from Biden's entire attitude that he's relieved and happy Starmer is there. |
My response to that would be to say that European nations make up the majority of NATO, and many European nations elect technocrats as their leaders.
Starmer fits very well amongst them.
Rishi Sunak was a City man, which isn't quite the same thing. He also stood out as a non-white leader in that particular grouping (whereas he wouldn't at a Commonwealth or UN summit). I don't feel that it is fair to say that he wasn't an adult in the room, though.
He always gave the impression of slightly winging things, in comparison to May (serious, but exuded a sense of being harassed on every side), Cameron (a smooth salesman, but incredibly well-prepared) who didn't, and Johnson who cultivated an air of hard work being beneath him, and purely relied on charisma to get him through.
And then there is Truss. Did that really happen? A fever dream Prime Minister for the breathless COVID age. | | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:16 - Jul 15 with 1033 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Quite a depressing read...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/15/labour-landslide-d
'There seems to be an understanding across the board that politicians want to appeal to voters with an economic stake, and therefore political engagement and a sense of protectiveness over their assets and future mobility. People who have nice or nice-ish lives, or the potential to have those lives, are connected to politics because politics can tangibly lessen their lot. In a virtuous cycle, politicians are more responsive to their complaints, as these classes require not more forbidden spending and public investment, but currency, interest-rate and inflation stability, along with economic growth.'
'The result is no politics for those who can’t afford it. Labour’s vote demonstrated a “dramatic flattening of the class gradient” in the party’s support, according to the Financial Times’s chief data reporter. The party won its lowest share of the vote in deprived areas and the highest in affluent ones. What that reveals is a political system built on disfranchisement. If you are personally affected by the two-child benefit cap, have no hope of getting on the housing ladder, have no pension, savings, or the capacity to take on huge loans for training or higher education, then your future is cancelled, and politicians are banking on that sense of futility to keep you away from the ballot box.' |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:54 - Jul 15 with 1002 views | GeoffSentence |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:08 - Jun 18 by NthQldITFC |
Make the effort, get out and vote. It's becoming more and more crucial. |
It is important to vote, but that so many don't can't simply be dismissed with an admonishment and instruction to do so.
There needs to be some serious discussion in political circles about why there is so much disengagement with the political system.
My uninformed view is that people don't vote because:
Historically in many places the outcome has been a forgone conclusion.
That many people feel it doesn't matter who wins anyway, nothing will change.
People feel there is no diference between the main parties.
People feel that there is no point in voting for any of the main parties because they won't get in so it will make no difference.
The world of politics has been devalued by the shenanighans of the last 14 years and the way it has been presented in the mdeia.
For my part I thnk that voting reform so that the view of the people is more accurately represented is the one of the main things that will help, this government could actually demonstrate that things can change for the better by putting into effect policies that will do that for moe people, and some media reform so that politics is presented as sensible but interesting to the wider public, feck knows how - but somehow. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:38 - Jul 15 with 937 views | DJR |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:16 - Jul 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Quite a depressing read...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/15/labour-landslide-d
'There seems to be an understanding across the board that politicians want to appeal to voters with an economic stake, and therefore political engagement and a sense of protectiveness over their assets and future mobility. People who have nice or nice-ish lives, or the potential to have those lives, are connected to politics because politics can tangibly lessen their lot. In a virtuous cycle, politicians are more responsive to their complaints, as these classes require not more forbidden spending and public investment, but currency, interest-rate and inflation stability, along with economic growth.'
'The result is no politics for those who can’t afford it. Labour’s vote demonstrated a “dramatic flattening of the class gradient” in the party’s support, according to the Financial Times’s chief data reporter. The party won its lowest share of the vote in deprived areas and the highest in affluent ones. What that reveals is a political system built on disfranchisement. If you are personally affected by the two-child benefit cap, have no hope of getting on the housing ladder, have no pension, savings, or the capacity to take on huge loans for training or higher education, then your future is cancelled, and politicians are banking on that sense of futility to keep you away from the ballot box.' |
Here's another interesting article on the matter.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/15/labour-landslide-d |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:03 - Jul 15 with 859 views | bournemouthblue |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:21 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Indeed. If you live somewhere where one of the two main parties has a 25k plus majority then there's really not much point in showing up to vote for a party that has zero chance of winning. PR would be an improvement on what we have but I'd rather see more progressive forms of democracy in place, the use of people's assemblies for example to give the public more of an opportunity to directly input into the political agenda and decision making. |
They did try and bring in regional assemblies but no one seemed to want them? |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:05 - Jul 15 with 856 views | bournemouthblue |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:35 - Jul 12 by Blueschev |
You're less likely to have photo ID if you're A, young, and B, poor. Neither group tend to vote Conservative. It's blatant voter suppression thinly veiled as a solution to a non-existent problem. |
I'd be amazed if that is the case given the young are ID'd at any drinking establishment they ever frequent | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:24 - Jul 15 with 835 views | ChaplinsLob |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:08 - Jun 18 by NthQldITFC |
Make the effort, get out and vote. It's becoming more and more crucial. |
Or, I would argue that I would prefer fewer people to vote.
If you only vote because your mum used to vote for them, then stay at home. Or vote one way because you always have, or don't know the policies, or the leader of the party you're voting for, or can't vote for the other person as you don't know them, then don't vote.
Don't vote because you saw a poster once or it was on the side of a bus... At least be somewhat informed about your vote choice, that's what I'm saying. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:28 - Jul 15 with 823 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:05 - Jul 15 by bournemouthblue |
I'd be amazed if that is the case given the young are ID'd at any drinking establishment they ever frequent |
It's the type of ID that's the issue. Various types of ID that young people tend to have were excluded from the list of eligible forms of ID. The most blatant example of what the Tories were doing was allowing older people oystercards as ID but not young person/student ones. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 16:23 - Jul 15 with 763 views | ArmaghBlue |
Not surprised with the standard of Parties there is to choose from. If nothing, I am surprised the turnout was as high as 46% |  | | |
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