| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:41 - Jun 18 with 2057 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:16 - Jun 18 by positivity |
good job the voters of mid-bedfordshire didn't listen to you! though i do agree that i'd rather see pr than fptp.
a vote is never wasted, it's built upon year-by-year, parties make decisions on what resources to throw at campaigning in the area.
the greens didn't win their seat in brighton by accident, but after years of building and hard work in local/euro and general elections |
There is zero chance of full PR in HoC as it would work against both Labour & Conservatives.
The biggest problem with PR is that it would split both major parties into different factions. There would be so many different parties to choose from. At least three from the right and same from the left. Then there would be those who only put up candidates in a small part of the U.K. for example you could have a Republic of Yorkshire party contesting every seat in Greater Yorkshire.
You then have the prospect of no party having an overall majority and it taking weeks, or even months, after a General Election before a new Government is formed.
The best chance is for PR in an elected second house or a hybrid system for HoC with much larger constituencies and percentage appointed by region on a PR basis.
We could of course follow the example set by France and require 50%+1 to be elected in the first ballot , with a second vote a week later with usually just the top two to choose from, sometimes three. That results in people voting, in the second ballot, against the Party they don’t want.
FPTP has many disadvantages but probably works best in enough constituencies. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:50 - Jun 18 with 2020 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:41 - Jun 18 by Pinewoodblue |
There is zero chance of full PR in HoC as it would work against both Labour & Conservatives.
The biggest problem with PR is that it would split both major parties into different factions. There would be so many different parties to choose from. At least three from the right and same from the left. Then there would be those who only put up candidates in a small part of the U.K. for example you could have a Republic of Yorkshire party contesting every seat in Greater Yorkshire.
You then have the prospect of no party having an overall majority and it taking weeks, or even months, after a General Election before a new Government is formed.
The best chance is for PR in an elected second house or a hybrid system for HoC with much larger constituencies and percentage appointed by region on a PR basis.
We could of course follow the example set by France and require 50%+1 to be elected in the first ballot , with a second vote a week later with usually just the top two to choose from, sometimes three. That results in people voting, in the second ballot, against the Party they don’t want.
FPTP has many disadvantages but probably works best in enough constituencies. |
Why is having more parties and a governing coalition a bad thing? The Tories won a huge majority in 2019 and did precisely nothing positive with it because they spent 5 years fighting amongst themselves. Monolithic parties like Labour and the Tories are not good for politics or for the country. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:52 - Jun 18 with 2013 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:41 - Jun 18 by Pinewoodblue |
There is zero chance of full PR in HoC as it would work against both Labour & Conservatives.
The biggest problem with PR is that it would split both major parties into different factions. There would be so many different parties to choose from. At least three from the right and same from the left. Then there would be those who only put up candidates in a small part of the U.K. for example you could have a Republic of Yorkshire party contesting every seat in Greater Yorkshire.
You then have the prospect of no party having an overall majority and it taking weeks, or even months, after a General Election before a new Government is formed.
The best chance is for PR in an elected second house or a hybrid system for HoC with much larger constituencies and percentage appointed by region on a PR basis.
We could of course follow the example set by France and require 50%+1 to be elected in the first ballot , with a second vote a week later with usually just the top two to choose from, sometimes three. That results in people voting, in the second ballot, against the Party they don’t want.
FPTP has many disadvantages but probably works best in enough constituencies. |
“ The biggest problem with PR is that it would split both major parties into different factions.”.
This would be the best thing that could ever happen. Those on the left moaning about Starmer would actually have a party to vote for. One nation Conservatives like me would have a centre right party to vote for rather than just going through the motions of voting Labour just to put the final nail in this government’s coffin. All of our votes would count and all of the views of the country would be represented. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 11:00]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:56 - Jun 18 with 1996 views | Father_Jack |
Voting should be made compulsory by law. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:57 - Jun 18 with 1984 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:56 - Jun 18 by Father_Jack |
Voting should be made compulsory by law. |
Why? | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:58 - Jun 18 with 1982 views | positivity |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:52 - Jun 18 by GlasgowBlue |
“ The biggest problem with PR is that it would split both major parties into different factions.”.
This would be the best thing that could ever happen. Those on the left moaning about Starmer would actually have a party to vote for. One nation Conservatives like me would have a centre right party to vote for rather than just going through the motions of voting Labour just to put the final nail in this government’s coffin. All of our votes would count and all of the views of the country would be represented. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 11:00]
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if only conservatives were "one a nation", will only take one more electon at the current rate of attrition though! |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:07 - Jun 18 with 1946 views | Father_Jack |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:57 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Why? |
Because it's a small duty to undertake in return for a privilege we have been given. I wouldn't oppose a "none of the above" option. Most people are just too lazy.
It might also encourage people to take a greater interest in politics.
About 20 or so other countries have such an arrangement.
We should also have PR. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 11:08]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:14 - Jun 18 with 1916 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:07 - Jun 18 by Father_Jack |
Because it's a small duty to undertake in return for a privilege we have been given. I wouldn't oppose a "none of the above" option. Most people are just too lazy.
It might also encourage people to take a greater interest in politics.
About 20 or so other countries have such an arrangement.
We should also have PR. [Post edited 18 Jun 2024 11:08]
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I agree we should have PR but I feel the right to vote extends to the right not to vote too. Perhaps if there was a none of the above vote I would be more amendable to the idea of compulsory voting but while there isn't I don't think people should be forced to vote, and spoiling the ballot seems a bit pointless. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:18 - Jun 18 with 1886 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:58 - Jun 18 by positivity |
if only conservatives were "one a nation", will only take one more electon at the current rate of attrition though! |
Has it done that in Scotland? Last time I looked the National Assembly was far more representative of the Jimmy vote that Westminster. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:54 - Jun 18 with 1856 views | Father_Jack |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:14 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
I agree we should have PR but I feel the right to vote extends to the right not to vote too. Perhaps if there was a none of the above vote I would be more amendable to the idea of compulsory voting but while there isn't I don't think people should be forced to vote, and spoiling the ballot seems a bit pointless. |
Fair enough, but spoiling the ballot paper is at least registering a view on the options available. A voter may feel that parliamentary democracy is not a system which suits them.
However It now appears that a majority of the voting public simply can't be bothered to take an interest in who governs them and a minority are propping up the system on their behalf. Obviously not a healthy situation for all sorts of reasons. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 12:00 - Jun 18 with 1827 views | Herbivore |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:54 - Jun 18 by Father_Jack |
Fair enough, but spoiling the ballot paper is at least registering a view on the options available. A voter may feel that parliamentary democracy is not a system which suits them.
However It now appears that a majority of the voting public simply can't be bothered to take an interest in who governs them and a minority are propping up the system on their behalf. Obviously not a healthy situation for all sorts of reasons. |
But a lot of the reason they can't be bothered is because of the state of this country and its politicians. It's not that they literally can't be arsed to get out of bed, they just don't see the point. What benefit is there to forcing them to vote? | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 12:33 - Jun 18 with 1792 views | baxterbasics |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:38 - Jun 18 by Herbivore |
Are you encouraging people to overthrow the monarchy? |
Ha, it might seem like a strange example to use but I believe in our monarchy at least, if public opinion really turned against then we do at least have the mechanisms in place to reform or even in the most extreme circumstances, abolish. That would fall to our elected representatives to legislate accordingly, and the PM would have to inform HRH that his time was up. Hopefully whilst avoiding a second civil war. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 12:45 - Jun 18 with 1770 views | NthQldITFC |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:41 - Jun 18 by Pinewoodblue |
There is zero chance of full PR in HoC as it would work against both Labour & Conservatives.
The biggest problem with PR is that it would split both major parties into different factions. There would be so many different parties to choose from. At least three from the right and same from the left. Then there would be those who only put up candidates in a small part of the U.K. for example you could have a Republic of Yorkshire party contesting every seat in Greater Yorkshire.
You then have the prospect of no party having an overall majority and it taking weeks, or even months, after a General Election before a new Government is formed.
The best chance is for PR in an elected second house or a hybrid system for HoC with much larger constituencies and percentage appointed by region on a PR basis.
We could of course follow the example set by France and require 50%+1 to be elected in the first ballot , with a second vote a week later with usually just the top two to choose from, sometimes three. That results in people voting, in the second ballot, against the Party they don’t want.
FPTP has many disadvantages but probably works best in enough constituencies. |
If the T*ries splinter after this election, which is a serious possibility (or at least a serious hope!) then you've only got one monolithic party left. What chance the left of Labour breaking away too and bringing in the need for a major coalition building exercise next time and a chance of a referendum on PR coming at that point as a condition of some of those forming that coalition? Might take a couple of terms for the right wing of labour to splinter a little.
(I feel brave enough to say that now a certain poster xxxxx_10 isn't there to jump on my head!  I wish he was still here but.) |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 15:51 - Jun 18 with 1710 views | SmithersJones |
I’d be interested to see more about this 46% figure. Best data I can see is that it’s estimated around 85% of people are registered to vote and typically around two thirds do (slightly higher in 2019). Which would mean around 55% - 60% of eligible voters actually vote. Pretty poor, but if 50% is a psychologically important milestone then whether we’re above or below it matters. | | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 18:51 - Jun 18 with 1660 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:54 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The results are already in. The majority don't want any of them. We need a 'NOTA' option on the ballot. (which won't happen because the powers that be know it would win....we should consider ourselves owned just as we always have been.) |
We already have a NOTA option.
You can register a vote but "spoil" your ballot paper.
A much better option IMO than simply not bothering. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 18:59 - Jun 18 with 1653 views | Radlett_blue |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 11:54 - Jun 18 by Father_Jack |
Fair enough, but spoiling the ballot paper is at least registering a view on the options available. A voter may feel that parliamentary democracy is not a system which suits them.
However It now appears that a majority of the voting public simply can't be bothered to take an interest in who governs them and a minority are propping up the system on their behalf. Obviously not a healthy situation for all sorts of reasons. |
Spoiling a ballot paper does at least register a formal protest, but it also requires someone to put themselves on the electoral register & also go down to the polling station, which may well be beyond many who are disillusioned with modern politicians. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 19:48 - Jun 18 with 1627 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:19 - Jun 18 by MattinLondon |
Take responsibility for your actions or inaction. You can’t be bothered to vote and that’s your right. But all this ‘we do not consent’ is childish and pathetic. |
It seems to imply a lack of consent considerably more than consent. Sorry if that is uncomfortable for those wedded to giving their power away with an 'x'. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 19:57 - Jun 18 with 1615 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 19:48 - Jun 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It seems to imply a lack of consent considerably more than consent. Sorry if that is uncomfortable for those wedded to giving their power away with an 'x'. |
You’ve got to be in it to win it buh. Voting is the minimum require to exercise power. Even better, get involved in politics. Campaign to be a councillor or volunteer in your local party. Try and make a difference. The more people who care and want to genuinely serve the public the better. I don’t see how not engaging while sniping from the sidelines can achieve anything. They don’t care about the people who don’t vote as they literally don’t count (which is a shame - everyone should count).
Bankster for PM (2029)! |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 07:42 - Jul 12 with 1242 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/12/lowest-turnout-in-uk-ge
"Just over half of the British adults voted at the 2024 general election, making it the lowest turnout by share of population since universal suffrage, according to a report.
The Institute for Public Policy Research thinktank found that just 52% of UK adults cast their ballots on 4 July, which is the lowest since the vote was extended to all adults over 21 in 1928.
Turnout has been reported as being the lowest since 2001 – measured by votes counted as a proportion of adults who have registered to vote.
However, the IPPR said the figures are even lower as a share of the whole adult population, meaning if non-voting was a party, it would have the largest share of support by far."
(Edit....it must have been 56% in the original op that I misheard) [Post edited 12 Jul 2024 7:44]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:39 - Jul 12 with 1179 views | DJR |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 07:42 - Jul 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/12/lowest-turnout-in-uk-ge
"Just over half of the British adults voted at the 2024 general election, making it the lowest turnout by share of population since universal suffrage, according to a report.
The Institute for Public Policy Research thinktank found that just 52% of UK adults cast their ballots on 4 July, which is the lowest since the vote was extended to all adults over 21 in 1928.
Turnout has been reported as being the lowest since 2001 – measured by votes counted as a proportion of adults who have registered to vote.
However, the IPPR said the figures are even lower as a share of the whole adult population, meaning if non-voting was a party, it would have the largest share of support by far."
(Edit....it must have been 56% in the original op that I misheard) [Post edited 12 Jul 2024 7:44]
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This is what the report actually says.
"We estimate 52.8 per cent of the voting age population (and 59.9 per cent of registered voters) cast a ballot at the 2024 general election. By comparison, we estimate 57.7 per cent of the voting age population (and 59.4 per cent of registered voters) cast a ballot at the 2001 general election, the only other election with comparably low turnout since the end of the first world war."
This means it was much worse than in 2001, and according to my calculation only 17.8% of the voting age population voted Labour. As it was, Labour got the lowest vote percentage of any winning party ever, and ended up with a stonking majority.
This really ought to be a wake-up call for a fairer voting system, which I am sure would boost turnout, but I just can't see it happening so long as the current system favours the two main parties. [Post edited 12 Jul 2024 8:54]
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:47 - Jul 12 with 1150 views | azuremerlangus |
A big shame - especially when nearly double that % have managed to get the paperwork sorted for a passport. |  |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:53 - Jul 12 with 1137 views | azuremerlangus |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:59 - Jun 18 by baxterbasics |
There's always the option of spoiling the ballot. If the other 50-ish % did that it would at least send a more powerful message than just not turning up. |
Historically that what people used to do. But ‘can’t be bothered’ seems to be the modern way these days.
To think of all the countries that don’t have a voting system, and the ones that do but are crooked is just seems bizarre that so many don’t have any pride in civic/democratic duty. | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:05 - Jul 12 with 1102 views | Cotty |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 08:47 - Jul 12 by azuremerlangus |
A big shame - especially when nearly double that % have managed to get the paperwork sorted for a passport. |
400,000 voters turned away for not having acceptable ID, and I wonder how many more just stayed away. The turnout is partly a function of the voter suppression laws put in place by the last government. |  | | |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:32 - Jul 12 with 1014 views | azuremerlangus |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 09:05 - Jul 12 by Cotty |
400,000 voters turned away for not having acceptable ID, and I wonder how many more just stayed away. The turnout is partly a function of the voter suppression laws put in place by the last government. |
Just weak excuses to not bother. I bet all those passport holders got over ‘travel suppression’ when they wanted to go on holiday though? | |
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| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:33 - Jul 12 with 1010 views | Cotty |
| Turn out average at General Elections is only 46 percent of eligible voters. on 10:32 - Jul 12 by azuremerlangus |
Just weak excuses to not bother. I bet all those passport holders got over ‘travel suppression’ when they wanted to go on holiday though? |
Lots of people can't afford to go abroad and do not have passports. | | | |
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