| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? 21:34 - Jun 21 with 2910 views | Bigalhunter |
The minute an English ref and English VAR official get involved….
3 mins to come to the wrong decision.
Hardly noticed it up to this point of the tournament. |  |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:36 - Jun 21 with 2868 views | FrimleyBlue |
Why was it the wrong decision? Keeper claimed for the offside straight away. He was offside and had he not been there whilst the goal may have still happend the keeper would most likely have dived.
Not a popular decision but imo the right one. |  |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:40 - Jun 21 with 2817 views | MK1 |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:36 - Jun 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Why was it the wrong decision? Keeper claimed for the offside straight away. He was offside and had he not been there whilst the goal may have still happend the keeper would most likely have dived.
Not a popular decision but imo the right one. |
Yeah, I agree. If a goal like hat was given against us, I wouldn't be happy. The right decision. (should only have taken 30 seconds to conclude though) |  |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:41 - Jun 21 with 2812 views | Swansea_Blue |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:36 - Jun 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Why was it the wrong decision? Keeper claimed for the offside straight away. He was offside and had he not been there whilst the goal may have still happend the keeper would most likely have dived.
Not a popular decision but imo the right one. |
He’s certainly interfering with play when he’s stood right next to the keeper, so I can see why the goal was ruled out.
The decision is almost irrelevant though. The bigger problem is the process and indecision from the officials. Either that or they’ve just got used to taking ages to make a call. VAR’s worked smoothly until now, so it does make you wonder if the problems with it in the PL could be easily avoided with better officials. |  |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:43 - Jun 21 with 2787 views | MK1 |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:41 - Jun 21 by Swansea_Blue |
He’s certainly interfering with play when he’s stood right next to the keeper, so I can see why the goal was ruled out.
The decision is almost irrelevant though. The bigger problem is the process and indecision from the officials. Either that or they’ve just got used to taking ages to make a call. VAR’s worked smoothly until now, so it does make you wonder if the problems with it in the PL could be easily avoided with better officials. |
Scared of making the wrong decision. Have to watch it 50 times just to be sure. One look at that was all that was needed. | |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 22:20 - Jun 21 with 2646 views | Churchman |
It’s not the decision, which I thought was wrong, but the ridiculous time it took to arrive at it. Useless English officials don’t realise how corrosive it is to p£ss around scared to make a decision for three minutes. It kills the rhythm of the game and gets in the way.
It’s the first time I’ve really noticed refs and objected to VAR in this tournament and guess what, it’s the English officials. I hope they don’t get another game. |  | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 23:34 - Jun 21 with 2547 views | mellowblue |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 22:20 - Jun 21 by Churchman |
It’s not the decision, which I thought was wrong, but the ridiculous time it took to arrive at it. Useless English officials don’t realise how corrosive it is to p£ss around scared to make a decision for three minutes. It kills the rhythm of the game and gets in the way.
It’s the first time I’ve really noticed refs and objected to VAR in this tournament and guess what, it’s the English officials. I hope they don’t get another game. |
Personally, I would have let the goal stand. Keeper knew he wasn't getting there, claimed offside as he could see the attacker next to him out of desperation, but in my view there was enough gap between attacker and keeper so that interference is not a factor. If the keeper had dived and was hindered by the attacker then yes you could argue there was interference. More refs making the game about themselves. Feel sorry for Simons. |  | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 23:40 - Jun 21 with 2526 views | redrickstuhaart |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 23:34 - Jun 21 by mellowblue |
Personally, I would have let the goal stand. Keeper knew he wasn't getting there, claimed offside as he could see the attacker next to him out of desperation, but in my view there was enough gap between attacker and keeper so that interference is not a factor. If the keeper had dived and was hindered by the attacker then yes you could argue there was interference. More refs making the game about themselves. Feel sorry for Simons. |
I hear what you say, but split second instinct when diving is crucial. Someone in the path of your dive meaning you cant get the ball could clearly affect that insitnctive reaction | | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 01:16 - Jun 22 with 2467 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 23:40 - Jun 21 by redrickstuhaart |
I hear what you say, but split second instinct when diving is crucial. Someone in the path of your dive meaning you cant get the ball could clearly affect that insitnctive reaction |
He couldn't dive he was set wrong with his legs apart, so no base to push off from. BBC even picked up on it in post match analysis. | | | |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 02:27 - Jun 22 with 2420 views | BonchosBicycle |
While I would have liked the goal to have stood, I've often said that if a VAR decision takes more than about 20 seconds to call then there was no serious error made so the initial call should stand. Shame though. |  | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 07:33 - Jun 22 with 2196 views | WD19 |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 01:16 - Jun 22 by berkstractorboy |
He couldn't dive he was set wrong with his legs apart, so no base to push off from. BBC even picked up on it in post match analysis. |
Agree. You could see he had no intention to dive and spotting the bloke offside was an afterthought. There was zero interference. |  | | |
| I think the decision was debateable on 08:59 - Jun 22 with 2082 views | Dyland |
But yes, absolutely toe curling time it took compared to every single other VAR so far in this tournament. I'm not a knocker of my own nation but it does make you wonder if the problems with VAR in the EPL are largely due to our officials being completely inept :) |  |
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| Indeed on 09:08 - Jun 22 with 2052 views | Dyland |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:43 - Jun 21 by MK1 |
Scared of making the wrong decision. Have to watch it 50 times just to be sure. One look at that was all that was needed. |
It's meant to be clear and obvious errors isn't it? If you need to watch it that many times then it's not clear and obvious.
It's pretty ridiculous and thinking of the EPL, there needs to be far more accountability. The word disgrace is thrown around very liberally these days but VAR (in the UK) is ruining a game millions of people love and pay good money for, by the looks of things due to its inept application rather than the tech itself. Our refs have been shown up here. | |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 09:11 - Jun 22 with 2044 views | BloomBlue |
To be fair most of the VAR decisions to date have been for offside and the automated system introduced for the tournament has been able to quickly identify that as its looking across the line. In this situation the automatic system would look across the line and flag the Dutch player in an offside position, but then it's a case of was he interfering in play.
Obviously both managers moaned the decision took too long but Dutch manager was adamant it was a goal and French mgr adamant it wasn't a goal.
There was a comment on the Internet last night (so no guarantee it's correct) that was the first time VAR has been used for an interfering in play decision in the tournament. |  | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 10:06 - Jun 22 with 1901 views | redrickstuhaart |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 01:16 - Jun 22 by berkstractorboy |
He couldn't dive he was set wrong with his legs apart, so no base to push off from. BBC even picked up on it in post match analysis. |
But you can't have referees making offside decisions based on their subjective analysis of whether a keeper could dive or not, as a result of where their weight is. That would be absurd. | | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 10:54 - Jun 22 with 1856 views | southnorfolkblue |
Thought it was the correct decision personally. The ball went the other side of the player so he was blocking the keeper from saving it. I accept that the keeper took a huge risk by making no effort to save it, but he couldn’t have saved it with the player standing there anyway. | |
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| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 11:29 - Jun 22 with 1796 views | stonojnr |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 21:36 - Jun 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Why was it the wrong decision? Keeper claimed for the offside straight away. He was offside and had he not been there whilst the goal may have still happend the keeper would most likely have dived.
Not a popular decision but imo the right one. |
yeah I thought it was similar situation to that goal disallowed because Sammie Szmodics stood in front of Hladky.
it was interfering with play, and the keeper couldnt dive, so why on earth it took them so long to decide it via var, when all the other var decisions like this in this competition have been near instant, youve got to say its because the officials were doing their normal premier league var style analysis.
not sure why its thought to be controversial, as that just reinforces the message to the Prem League VAR style they were right to take as much time as they did.
and of course they wasted 3-4mins doing it, which they didnt add on as injury time because theres no way 6 substitutions took only 1 min | | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 12:29 - Jun 22 with 1713 views | berkstractorboy |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 10:06 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
But you can't have referees making offside decisions based on their subjective analysis of whether a keeper could dive or not, as a result of where their weight is. That would be absurd. |
The ref couldn't but VAR ref could. If you want it nice and quick then the no clear and obvious error as player was offside. But I still think its the wrong decision, the Dutch player didn't stop the keeper diving. Either way you have an unhappy set of fans, players and manager. | | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 12:38 - Jun 22 with 1687 views | ronnyd |
Yes, the guy was close to the keeper, but the ball passed Maignan so fast that i don't think that he had any chance to dive anyway. | | | |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 17:19 - Jun 22 with 1556 views | redrickstuhaart |
| VAR..we’re the problem aren’t we? on 12:29 - Jun 22 by berkstractorboy |
The ref couldn't but VAR ref could. If you want it nice and quick then the no clear and obvious error as player was offside. But I still think its the wrong decision, the Dutch player didn't stop the keeper diving. Either way you have an unhappy set of fans, players and manager. |
They have no remit to do so and it would be ridiculous if we started expecting var to judge how a player's weight was set and what he could or could not have done before assessing intereference. | | | |
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