| Armstrong should have played football.... 21:38 - Jun 23 with 5731 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
....rather than jumping in the air trying to force a pen. |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:34 - Jun 24 with 1372 views | itfcjoe |
Haven't checked the offside, but foul wise it was a clear penalty - he gets himself in front of him to stop the defender being able to make a challenge and defender goes through with it any way - nailed on |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:36 - Jun 24 with 1354 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:34 - Jun 24 by itfcjoe |
Haven't checked the offside, but foul wise it was a clear penalty - he gets himself in front of him to stop the defender being able to make a challenge and defender goes through with it any way - nailed on |
Just not so.
I see the argument, but he created the contact, not vice versa. |  | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:39 - Jun 24 with 1332 views | itfcjoe |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:36 - Jun 24 by redrickstuhaart |
Just not so.
I see the argument, but he created the contact, not vice versa. |
You can't slam your knee into someone's calf from behind with that force, it's rubbish defending - attackers getting their body between defender and ball is what happens and defenders have to avoid fouling them, which Orban didn't | |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:50 - Jun 24 with 1309 views | LeoMuff |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:36 - Jun 24 by redrickstuhaart |
Just not so.
I see the argument, but he created the contact, not vice versa. |
The player hit him with his knee just below the joint and Armstrongs leg gave way, clear penalty if not offside.
He didn’t create the contact, just himself in front of the player. |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:56 - Jun 24 with 1301 views | N2_Blue |
Can't believe how many people are saying it's not a penalty and slating the BBC comms for saying its a penalty. Its an absolute blatant penalty all day (subject to potential offiside).
I don't think he plays for it, he gets his stride slightly wrong and is readisjung his feet to get in a position to get a strike on goal and gets absolutely clattered with a knee in the calf. But even if you think he is playing for it it's still a penalty.
Bonkers anyone thinking this is not a foul. |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 09:04 - Jun 24 with 1277 views | PhilTWTD |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 08:34 - Jun 24 by itfcjoe |
Haven't checked the offside, but foul wise it was a clear penalty - he gets himself in front of him to stop the defender being able to make a challenge and defender goes through with it any way - nailed on |
Absolutely, as clear a penalty as they come, assuming he was onside. Armstrong did what all strikers would do, get himself in front of the defender so the defender couldn't get to the ball and was in greater danger of fouling him, which he did. Scotland have every right to be furious. |  | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 09:07 - Jun 24 with 1259 views | LeoMuff |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 21:44 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
Exactly. Anyone who has played decent football can see this. He was not going for the ball, he slowed down and jumped, waiting for contact. He was not impeded, he created the contact rather than going for the ball. |
Apart from the bbc panel who have all played higher level than anyone on here. | |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:04 - Jun 24 with 1201 views | Garv |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 09:04 - Jun 24 by PhilTWTD |
Absolutely, as clear a penalty as they come, assuming he was onside. Armstrong did what all strikers would do, get himself in front of the defender so the defender couldn't get to the ball and was in greater danger of fouling him, which he did. Scotland have every right to be furious. |
On balance it's probably a foul but people are blinkered if they can't see or won't admit there is a reasonable excuse for not giving it. It's very easy to argue Armstrong engineered the contact. |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:06 - Jun 24 with 1192 views | Metal_Hacker |
100% a penalty |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:06 - Jun 24 with 1196 views | PhilTWTD |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:04 - Jun 24 by Garv |
On balance it's probably a foul but people are blinkered if they can't see or won't admit there is a reasonable excuse for not giving it. It's very easy to argue Armstrong engineered the contact. |
I'd argue there's drawing a foul, which is perfectly legitimate and different from, for example, sticking out a leg to make it look like you've been fouled as you go past someone. | | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:10 - Jun 24 with 1176 views | Trequartista |
Another glaring problem with VAR brought to the fore. What is the criteria for flagging a penalty decision to VAR? I don't even think they looked at it. Even if they had you've got to decide what "clear and obvious error" is - totally subjective. |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:14 - Jun 24 with 1163 views | BloomBlue |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:04 - Jun 24 by Garv |
On balance it's probably a foul but people are blinkered if they can't see or won't admit there is a reasonable excuse for not giving it. It's very easy to argue Armstrong engineered the contact. |
Although as I said Omari on more than one occasion put himself between the defender and the ball to protect the ball so he could shoot, same as Armstrong did. I've now changed my mind based on that non penalty decision that a number of Omari's weren't pens because he deliberately put himself between the defender and the ball. |  | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 12:01 - Jun 24 with 1093 views | N2_Blue |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:14 - Jun 24 by BloomBlue |
Although as I said Omari on more than one occasion put himself between the defender and the ball to protect the ball so he could shoot, same as Armstrong did. I've now changed my mind based on that non penalty decision that a number of Omari's weren't pens because he deliberately put himself between the defender and the ball. |
But putting yourself bettwen the defener and the ball is gaining control of the ball and you as the attacker have the advantage.
If the player then fouls you its still a penalty. Basically in the situation of Armstrong the defender cannot make a challenge like that. He either has to make an exceptional sliding challenge and win the ball cleanly or hassle the player with a bit of shoulder to shoulder contact to hopefully put the attacker off but he cannot make a challenge where he clatters the attackers legs or it is a penalty.
It's just a penalty, end of. | |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 16:09 - Jun 24 with 1022 views | Herbivore |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 12:01 - Jun 24 by N2_Blue |
But putting yourself bettwen the defener and the ball is gaining control of the ball and you as the attacker have the advantage.
If the player then fouls you its still a penalty. Basically in the situation of Armstrong the defender cannot make a challenge like that. He either has to make an exceptional sliding challenge and win the ball cleanly or hassle the player with a bit of shoulder to shoulder contact to hopefully put the attacker off but he cannot make a challenge where he clatters the attackers legs or it is a penalty.
It's just a penalty, end of. |
The defender just looked like he was running rather than making a challenge and Armstrong jumped and threw his leg across which is a bit different from cutting across the defender and using your body to shield it. The defender goes to ground because Armstrong pulls him over with him, not because he's making any kind of challenge. |  |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 16:59 - Jun 24 with 984 views | braveblue |
I think he would have shot if he had not got a knee in the back of his left leg. Did you not see the replays. Blatant. | | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 17:20 - Jun 24 with 973 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 09:07 - Jun 24 by LeoMuff |
Apart from the bbc panel who have all played higher level than anyone on here. |
The sscottish bbc panel? Or how about former pundit of the year, McCoist who agrees with me.... | | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 17:26 - Jun 24 with 963 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 12:01 - Jun 24 by N2_Blue |
But putting yourself bettwen the defener and the ball is gaining control of the ball and you as the attacker have the advantage.
If the player then fouls you its still a penalty. Basically in the situation of Armstrong the defender cannot make a challenge like that. He either has to make an exceptional sliding challenge and win the ball cleanly or hassle the player with a bit of shoulder to shoulder contact to hopefully put the attacker off but he cannot make a challenge where he clatters the attackers legs or it is a penalty.
It's just a penalty, end of. |
The difference is, putting yourself to shield the ball is fine. Stopping at full pelt and jumping in the air in anticipation of contact, is a bit different. Nothing the defender could have done about it. | | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 18:33 - Jun 24 with 903 views | PhilTWTD |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 17:26 - Jun 24 by redrickstuhaart |
The difference is, putting yourself to shield the ball is fine. Stopping at full pelt and jumping in the air in anticipation of contact, is a bit different. Nothing the defender could have done about it. |
I don't think that's what he did though. He had to check his step as he was moving faster than the ball. | | | |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 19:13 - Jun 24 with 870 views | Garv |
| Armstrong should have played football.... on 10:06 - Jun 24 by PhilTWTD |
I'd argue there's drawing a foul, which is perfectly legitimate and different from, for example, sticking out a leg to make it look like you've been fouled as you go past someone. |
I'd agree with that. I think the fact we're discussing it though suggests there's a natural element of doubt, in which case I don't one can ever be completely outraged at a decision.
Referee didn't feel it warranted a penalty in real time (sod VAR , it's a stupid concept). Get on with it. | |
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| Armstrong should have played football.... on 19:59 - Jun 24 with 825 views | azuremerlangus |
And should have been booked for obstructing the defender.
Devils in skirts… |  |
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