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Saw on Twitter Town fans stating that the Johnson deal showed the level Town were now dealing as a large portion of West Ham fans are gutted at this departure, e.g.:
I did a four thread page review of the West Ham ‘Knees Up Mother Brown’, slow work day, and I’d suggest the West Ham fan sentiment to the move is:
1. The majority think he is a good character 2. The majority think it’s disappointment that an academy product - one of their own - is leaving and hasn’t made it at West Ham. Linked to a concern on a lack of academy product and West Ham dna near the first team. 3. A high proportion think that he isn’t quite good enough to make the step up to being a first teamer at West Ham and displace some of the foreign (and ageing) defenders 4. A smaller proportion think that he just hasn’t been given the chance and a spell of first team football at Ipswich will mean West Ham and their fans will have regret at the departure
It depends on how much value you put into the opinions of people on forums or social media.
I have two mates that are West Ham season ticket holders. One really likes him and wanted him to stay. The other was on the fence and thought he was good enough but there's an element of him thinking he's better than he is (because he wants to be playing) so he wasn't that fussed. His dad however thought he was a cracking player (largely tinted it seems by being one of their own).
So that's three people that go to every game who thought he was between good enough and really good for a team that has ambitions of being 6th to 8th.
Yet when I looked on social media I found about three people in total saying he was decent and about a hundred saying he could sod off and good riddance.
I know whose opinion I place more faith in!
What you've assessed here seems to be about right. He's very religious I believe. Supposedly an amazing character (likely to be the case in any McKenna / Ashton signing) and is probably not good enough or shown enough for a team with West Ham's aspirations.
For us I'd imagine he will do very nicely and be an upgrade on Clarke comfortably.
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Slight mid misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 09:58 - Jun 27 with 5192 views
Slight mid misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 09:55 - Jun 27 by Asa
It depends on how much value you put into the opinions of people on forums or social media.
I have two mates that are West Ham season ticket holders. One really likes him and wanted him to stay. The other was on the fence and thought he was good enough but there's an element of him thinking he's better than he is (because he wants to be playing) so he wasn't that fussed. His dad however thought he was a cracking player (largely tinted it seems by being one of their own).
So that's three people that go to every game who thought he was between good enough and really good for a team that has ambitions of being 6th to 8th.
Yet when I looked on social media I found about three people in total saying he was decent and about a hundred saying he could sod off and good riddance.
I know whose opinion I place more faith in!
What you've assessed here seems to be about right. He's very religious I believe. Supposedly an amazing character (likely to be the case in any McKenna / Ashton signing) and is probably not good enough or shown enough for a team with West Ham's aspirations.
For us I'd imagine he will do very nicely and be an upgrade on Clarke comfortably.
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Thanks for sharing
Always interesting discussion as to how valid fans views are and how to gauge them.
But if you review 10s of fan posts on a player you tend to get a pretty accurate view I think.
If you asked he TWTD hive mind for views on Marcus Harness, Broadhead, Leif, Wolfenden you’d get a lot of commonality and a pretty clear view of the player.
Any of that may or may not be true, but you get a slight reboot as a player when you move to a new club (or sometimes a new manager at the same club), so if he's there or thereabouts at WHU, he could be an instant superstar hear under the 'kenna.
No offence to any of the ammers but I've come to the conclusion that its worth taking fan opinion with a huge pinch of salt. Plenty of United supporters cited McKenna as a factor in their issues and were saying to 'pray for Ipswich' when he joined. Plenty of our supporters thought we had lost the family silver when Dozzell moved on, QPR supporters were hard at the prospect of him in their midfield.
I'll judge the lad on what he does in a Town shirt.
Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 12:02 - Jun 27 by _clive_baker_
No offence to any of the ammers but I've come to the conclusion that its worth taking fan opinion with a huge pinch of salt. Plenty of United supporters cited McKenna as a factor in their issues and were saying to 'pray for Ipswich' when he joined. Plenty of our supporters thought we had lost the family silver when Dozzell moved on, QPR supporters were hard at the prospect of him in their midfield.
I'll judge the lad on what he does in a Town shirt.
....... and also, let's not forget the large amount of negative stuff we heard about Mark Ashton from Bristol City supporters when he arrived at Portman Road.
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Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 15:36 - Jun 27 with 3490 views
My main concern is that if turns out a good'un it be another thing from west ham I have to like, the other being John Lyall of course. Still, 2 things in over 50 years of football supporting isn't too bad...
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Slight mid misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 16:07 - Jun 27 with 3334 views
Slight mid misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 10:11 - Jun 27 by unstableblue
Thanks for sharing
Always interesting discussion as to how valid fans views are and how to gauge them.
But if you review 10s of fan posts on a player you tend to get a pretty accurate view I think.
If you asked he TWTD hive mind for views on Marcus Harness, Broadhead, Leif, Wolfenden you’d get a lot of commonality and a pretty clear view of the player.
And yet the consensus opinions of our own players shift significantly over time.
A lot of people operate under the assumption that opportunities are a reflection of quality, so if a player isn't getting regular, first-team appearances, then the assumption is that said player is of lesser quality than those that are.
Considering that he hasn't been a regular and given that they already know that Johnson is moving on, I'd expect a fair bit of 'sour grapes' responses. I certainly remember our own supporters doing as much when Delaney and McAuley departed, yet both became regulars in the EPL after departing.
I mean, I did the same as you. I went over to their forum and checked out that long thread on him. I was genuinely surprised that so many spoke favourably of him and wished him well. Personally, I'm reserving judgment until I get my own eyes on him as I prefer my opinions are actually my opinions.
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Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 17:38 - Jun 27 with 3177 views
Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 15:44 - Jun 27 by Battersea_Blue
A couple of other posters further down have called you out on this post, so will I.
It’s actually one of the most ridiculous football posts that I’ve encountered on this forum.
Moyes is a good manager, dealing with the situation he faced in a professional manner, even winning a European competition.
Mick was a brilliant manager for us, doing fantastically well with the cards he was dealt. And he was certainly successful in developing left backs.
So please explain why it’s hard to judge a player under Moyes and why Leif wouldn’t be as highly rated under Mick.
Admittedly I was in a rush posting so didn’t go into as much detail and I wasn’t implying that Moyes or McCarthy are bad managers by any stretch.
My point was their style of football is chalk and cheese to McKennas so a stand out player in one system likely has little relevance to how they’ll play in a totally different system.
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Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 22:28 - Jun 27 with 2816 views
Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 22:28 - Jun 27 by burnbudgiesburn
Good WHU podcast on Johnson leaving for Town here. They are disappointed he's leaving and blame the club for a lack of empathy.
It seems reports he was on £60k a week are way wide of the mark - these guys reckon he was on the lowest wage at the club. No more than 10k.
Trying to find the article, but read somewhere earlier today that we've offered Johnson a £60k pw 4 year contract; that must be wide of the mark too...smells like something put out there by WHU to justify him not signing the contract they offered him.
I know reported salaries you find online are always questionable, but when I looked at figures last season our highest earner (not including loanees) was reportedly on £17.5k pw, so even with increases based on promotion doubt any of the current squad would be anywhere near a salary of £60k pw.
The west ham fans I have spoken to said he's brilliant but unfortunately they have coufal who is a very good player and hard to drop. Also spoke to a united fan who said he tore them a new one when they played. Either way very excited for this one
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Slight misrepresentation of West Ham fans on the Johnson deal on 06:58 - Jun 28 with 2387 views
I take the opinions of Spammers with a pinch of salt- a particularly delusional fanbase.
There’s a bit of hyperbole on this thread. In my opinion he’s not a signing that’s going to set the world on fire, he wasn’t really threatening to break the WHU first team.
He is however a great signing for many reasons - free, has PL experience, adds depth to our squad, versatile in terms of position, and young enough to improve as a player. Great stuff.
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