| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 21:58 - Jul 15 with 5297 views | ElderGrizzly |
Amazing what a heart attack from being President can make you do. Sure, have another burger Donald |  | | |  |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 21:42 - Jul 16 with 1258 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 14:33 - Jul 16 by baxterbasics |
It's a good thing that Starmer is building that relationship with Trump already, similar when Lammy met Netanyahu the other day. Those bleating otherwise (elsewhere online, haven't seen much of it here) need to step out of sixth form politics and get with the grown up world. |
Same advice to Chamberlain eh? |  | | |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 12:15 - Jul 17 with 1163 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 22:27 - Jul 15 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is nice that Trump has picked a moderate and open minded running mate.
Only kidding, he is sh1tting mental. JD Vance is a top level grifter who will sell out anyone to get to where he wants. He only got this gig cause he U turned on Trump, and Trump loves people who bow down to him. I mean whoever Trump picked it was going to be horrific, but this guy is genuinely one of the worst options. His views are just grim and he is totally unfit for the role.
God help us. [Post edited 15 Jul 2024 22:30]
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Very bad news for Ukraine (and hence the Baltic States, and Europe generally). Very bad news for Taiwan too. |  | | |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 13:51 - Jul 17 with 1115 views | baxterbasics |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 21:42 - Jul 16 by reusersfreekicks |
Same advice to Chamberlain eh? |
Nonsense comparison. |  |
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 23:27 - Jul 17 with 1043 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 13:51 - Jul 17 by baxterbasics |
Nonsense comparison. |
Time will tell | | | |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 06:57 - Jul 18 with 977 views | Churchman |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 12:15 - Jul 17 by Freddies_Ears |
Very bad news for Ukraine (and hence the Baltic States, and Europe generally). Very bad news for Taiwan too. |
Europe is going to pay dearly for sitting on its hands and leaving America to largely pay for and provide its defence. It’s a great opportunity for Putin to achieve his ends.
Trump and his grotesque VP? A really dangerous couple. As for Truss at the their convention suggesting they are the only chance for the free world, that just shows how stupid she is (beyond stupid) and how dumb they are letting the hag in the room.
The world is about to become an even more dangerous place. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 10:05]
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:29 - Jul 18 with 946 views | itfcjoe |
I find it incredible just how many people can do such about turns with their views and it just doesn't matter - even Nikki Haley up there now complimenting him etc.
Has it always been this way, or is it only since the GOP became the MAGA party that people just have to kiss the ring and people ignore what they said before even when it is the total opposite
It's all very dystopian |  |
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:43 - Jul 18 with 927 views | DJR |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:29 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
I find it incredible just how many people can do such about turns with their views and it just doesn't matter - even Nikki Haley up there now complimenting him etc.
Has it always been this way, or is it only since the GOP became the MAGA party that people just have to kiss the ring and people ignore what they said before even when it is the total opposite
It's all very dystopian |
I don't think it was ever like this, but ultimately I think it is about Republicans wanting a Republican to be President.
I have two cousins in the States who are as respectable and well educated as you can get, but they will vote for Trump. Indeed, I remember speaking to one of them, and his wife, back in 2017, and whilst they didn't especially like Trump or the things he got up to, they still preferred him to a Democrat.
The other thing to say is that some of these still have presidential ambitions, so they are hardly going to blow their chances in front of Trump's base.
As it is, from the reports I heard of Vance's speech last night, I can well see him being the Republican nominee for president in four years' time. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 8:49]
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:48 - Jul 18 with 910 views | itfcjoe |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:43 - Jul 18 by DJR |
I don't think it was ever like this, but ultimately I think it is about Republicans wanting a Republican to be President.
I have two cousins in the States who are as respectable and well educated as you can get, but they will vote for Trump. Indeed, I remember speaking to one of them, and his wife, back in 2017, and whilst they didn't especially like Trump or the things he got up to, they still preferred him to a Democrat.
The other thing to say is that some of these still have presidential ambitions, so they are hardly going to blow their chances in front of Trump's base.
As it is, from the reports I heard of Vance's speech last night, I can well see him being the Republican nominee for president in four years' time. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 8:49]
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No, they are all looking at the next election already and doing what is necessary - but I just don't understand how it sits in the future if someone tries to explore how your opinions have changed so quickly, how clearly have no backbone etc and it isn't seen as fatal for chances | |
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:54 - Jul 18 with 886 views | DJR |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:48 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
No, they are all looking at the next election already and doing what is necessary - but I just don't understand how it sits in the future if someone tries to explore how your opinions have changed so quickly, how clearly have no backbone etc and it isn't seen as fatal for chances |
To be honest, I am not sure exactly what they said about Trump in the past, but the differences appear to me more personal in nature, rather than indicating any real difference in policy terms. And to those who will vote for Trump, I don't think what they said in the past will have any bearing. And nor will it affect their chances in the future because once Trump goes, it will be a completely new ball game.
As it is, Starmer rolled back on a number of promises, but it did his chances no harm at all. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 8:57]
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:28 - Jul 18 with 842 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 06:57 - Jul 18 by Churchman |
Europe is going to pay dearly for sitting on its hands and leaving America to largely pay for and provide its defence. It’s a great opportunity for Putin to achieve his ends.
Trump and his grotesque VP? A really dangerous couple. As for Truss at the their convention suggesting they are the only chance for the free world, that just shows how stupid she is (beyond stupid) and how dumb they are letting the hag in the room.
The world is about to become an even more dangerous place. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 10:05]
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I don’t think the saner Republicans (or their Corporate donors) will allow Trump to pull back on the US’ NATO commitments, the US has too many financial and military interests (bases plus nuclear weapons) in Continental Europe. Despite his apparent cosiness with Putin, Trump gave his approval to the 60bn of military aid to Ukraine - at the end of the day he’s a populist and goes with the wind.
Russia are running out of equipment and manpower (500k casualties to date), they do not have the capacity to take Ukraine West of the Dniper, let alone the Baltics.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/07/16/russias-vast-stocks-of-soviet-era-we
The biggest concern is China - they’ll be watching Trump closely, and if he shirks on Ukraine there’s a very good chance an invasion of Taiwan could happen. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 9:32]
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:43 - Jul 18 with 811 views | DJR |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:28 - Jul 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t think the saner Republicans (or their Corporate donors) will allow Trump to pull back on the US’ NATO commitments, the US has too many financial and military interests (bases plus nuclear weapons) in Continental Europe. Despite his apparent cosiness with Putin, Trump gave his approval to the 60bn of military aid to Ukraine - at the end of the day he’s a populist and goes with the wind.
Russia are running out of equipment and manpower (500k casualties to date), they do not have the capacity to take Ukraine West of the Dniper, let alone the Baltics.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/07/16/russias-vast-stocks-of-soviet-era-we
The biggest concern is China - they’ll be watching Trump closely, and if he shirks on Ukraine there’s a very good chance an invasion of Taiwan could happen. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 9:32]
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I tend to agree with what you say on Ukraine.
But on Taiwan, and despite anything Trump might say, I think that may be being a bit alarmist given Trump and Vance regard China as the biggest threat to the US.
It was Trump who shifted towards an anti-China policy during his first term and whilst I think this was primarily part of a struggle for economic hegemony, as well as fitting with America First, there is a military dimension to this, with US bases throughout the Pacific.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-vp-pick-vance-points-tough-china-policy-
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:55 - Jul 18 with 784 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:43 - Jul 18 by DJR |
I tend to agree with what you say on Ukraine.
But on Taiwan, and despite anything Trump might say, I think that may be being a bit alarmist given Trump and Vance regard China as the biggest threat to the US.
It was Trump who shifted towards an anti-China policy during his first term and whilst I think this was primarily part of a struggle for economic hegemony, as well as fitting with America First, there is a military dimension to this, with US bases throughout the Pacific.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-vp-pick-vance-points-tough-china-policy-
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Of course and the anti-China sentiment is only going to increase given the strong Dollar (making it tougher to for the US to compete. In fact even Biden slapped tougher tariffs on Chinese imports than Trumps first term such is the imbalance. But there’s a wider trade war emerging, the EU will also head towards tougher tariffs on Chinese goods as lobbying from German car manufacturers increases. Perhaps of wider concern is a western pullback from trading in and investing in China, in 2023 Western FDI in China decreased and is expected to continue to do so given geopolitical tensions and CCP interference with Western firms operating there (including an unfair judgements and IP theft).
Biden committed to defending Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion, it will be interesting to see Trump’s stance, but if he goes down the isolationist route then there is a grave threat to Taiwan. | | | |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:04 - Jul 18 with 753 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:29 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
I find it incredible just how many people can do such about turns with their views and it just doesn't matter - even Nikki Haley up there now complimenting him etc.
Has it always been this way, or is it only since the GOP became the MAGA party that people just have to kiss the ring and people ignore what they said before even when it is the total opposite
It's all very dystopian |
There was quite an interesting discussion on Moral Maze on R4 last night about the current toxicity in politics. There's no magic bullet of course, but they emphasised the responsibilities the politicians have themselves and highlighted this tribalism focussed on winning at all costs (they used the example of the change in Sunak's behaviour from angry and argumentative when PM to being much more friendly and light hearted I the HoC yesterday, but that's similar to the position here with Trump's team).
We've already seen a shift away from populist approaches under this new Labour govt and it's quite refreshing imo. It's probably not a vote winner to admit that eveythin's fked and we can't afford to do that much about it. It's dull, but it's what's needed. I'm hoping a dose of reality and boring competence (still to be delivered on cof course!) will blunt people's desire to be entertained and outraged. Tice was bleating about immigrants again yesterday, and he already sounded out of touch. Hopefully more people will start to see how empty and destructive the populist rhetoric has been. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 10:05]
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:25 - Jul 18 with 718 views | DJR |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:55 - Jul 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Of course and the anti-China sentiment is only going to increase given the strong Dollar (making it tougher to for the US to compete. In fact even Biden slapped tougher tariffs on Chinese imports than Trumps first term such is the imbalance. But there’s a wider trade war emerging, the EU will also head towards tougher tariffs on Chinese goods as lobbying from German car manufacturers increases. Perhaps of wider concern is a western pullback from trading in and investing in China, in 2023 Western FDI in China decreased and is expected to continue to do so given geopolitical tensions and CCP interference with Western firms operating there (including an unfair judgements and IP theft).
Biden committed to defending Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion, it will be interesting to see Trump’s stance, but if he goes down the isolationist route then there is a grave threat to Taiwan. |
It certainly is the case that Trump is transactional, and probably doesn't really care about Taiwan, but his very unpredictability may well deter China from doing anything too reckless.
But we shall see, especially as it seems difficult to imagine Trump now not being the next president.
Indeed, there is some suggestion that Trump will now try to be more statesmanlike, following the shooting, with Vance maybe being his attack dog with his background said to appeal to the Rust Belt. But whether Trump can keep himself in check is another matter.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/18/trump-republican-convent
And here is an interesting item about Lammy's views on Vance.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/18/david-lammy-says-he-can
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:32 - Jul 18 with 698 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 08:29 - Jul 18 by itfcjoe |
I find it incredible just how many people can do such about turns with their views and it just doesn't matter - even Nikki Haley up there now complimenting him etc.
Has it always been this way, or is it only since the GOP became the MAGA party that people just have to kiss the ring and people ignore what they said before even when it is the total opposite
It's all very dystopian |
Partisan politics in election year isn't it? At the last election Starmer didn't think Corbyn was fit to be a Labour candidate but in the previous election he thought him fit enough to be Prime Minister. |  |
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:33 - Jul 18 with 695 views | DJR |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:04 - Jul 18 by Swansea_Blue |
There was quite an interesting discussion on Moral Maze on R4 last night about the current toxicity in politics. There's no magic bullet of course, but they emphasised the responsibilities the politicians have themselves and highlighted this tribalism focussed on winning at all costs (they used the example of the change in Sunak's behaviour from angry and argumentative when PM to being much more friendly and light hearted I the HoC yesterday, but that's similar to the position here with Trump's team).
We've already seen a shift away from populist approaches under this new Labour govt and it's quite refreshing imo. It's probably not a vote winner to admit that eveythin's fked and we can't afford to do that much about it. It's dull, but it's what's needed. I'm hoping a dose of reality and boring competence (still to be delivered on cof course!) will blunt people's desire to be entertained and outraged. Tice was bleating about immigrants again yesterday, and he already sounded out of touch. Hopefully more people will start to see how empty and destructive the populist rhetoric has been. [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 10:05]
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EDITED: wrong post [Post edited 18 Jul 2024 10:34]
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| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:34 - Jul 18 with 686 views | DJR |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 09:55 - Jul 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Of course and the anti-China sentiment is only going to increase given the strong Dollar (making it tougher to for the US to compete. In fact even Biden slapped tougher tariffs on Chinese imports than Trumps first term such is the imbalance. But there’s a wider trade war emerging, the EU will also head towards tougher tariffs on Chinese goods as lobbying from German car manufacturers increases. Perhaps of wider concern is a western pullback from trading in and investing in China, in 2023 Western FDI in China decreased and is expected to continue to do so given geopolitical tensions and CCP interference with Western firms operating there (including an unfair judgements and IP theft).
Biden committed to defending Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion, it will be interesting to see Trump’s stance, but if he goes down the isolationist route then there is a grave threat to Taiwan. |
Here's a couple of implications of the tariffs on Chinese EVs.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/06/imposing-tariffs-chinese-electric-vehicles-
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/eu-could-slash-376-tariffs-on-china-buil | | | |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 11:06 - Jul 18 with 636 views | itfcjoe |
| Trump’s VP pick has done quite the 180 on 10:32 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Partisan politics in election year isn't it? At the last election Starmer didn't think Corbyn was fit to be a Labour candidate but in the previous election he thought him fit enough to be Prime Minister. |
I don't think that is in any way comparable - he suspended Corbyn for his reaction to something that happened after the previous election | |
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