| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:12 - Jul 24 with 1247 views | GlasgowBlue |
Ha! He’s no Mystic Meg is he?
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:16 - Jul 24 with 1216 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 08:14 - Jul 24 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Then you receive the benefit due to the multiple child exception |
I bow to your superior expertise. |  | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:23 - Jul 24 with 1186 views | blueasfook |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 22:24 - Jul 23 by Hiphopopotamus |
CHILD POVERTY IS A-OKAY WITH THIS GUY!!!!! |
Pipe down idiot, And turn your CAPS lock off. |  |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:25 - Jul 24 with 1179 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:16 - Jul 24 by DJR |
I bow to your superior expertise. |
And if you already have two children then go on to have twins you are eligible for child credit fur third child. | |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:27 - Jul 24 with 1163 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 08:08 - Jul 24 by lowhouseblue |
so it's just a coincidence that his core remaining backers came out in open opposition to the government on day one? just one of those random things that happens sometimes? could have been anyone. |
You appear to think seven Labour MPs and Corbyn have the power to topple a Government with such a majority.
The coincidence is that the 8 believe the two child limit is wrong, just as do the Lib Dems who had a manifesto commitment to remove it, something Labour could have done too, if it had the will.
If nothing else, Labour could, like the promise to increase defence spending to 2.5%, have said they intend to do it when resources allow, but I don't think they really want to do it.
The following explains the Lib Dem policy, and like their plans for social care, indicate they are currently to the left of Labour. And ultimately it's about political will.
"The Lib Dems would scrap or reform a range of welfare policies that anti-poverty campaigners have repeatedly said are increasing family hardship, going further than either the Conservatives or Labour have done so far.
They plan to remove the two-child limit, which affects Universal Credit and Child Tax Credit, as well as the benefit cap – the limit on the total amount of benefit one household can claim. They also plan to reduce the waiting time for the first Universal Credit payment from five weeks to five days.
Over the longer term, they say they'll review annual benefit levels, a step towards what groups like the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and the Trussell Trust call an “essentials guarantee”. That aims to ensure that benefit levels are high enough for people to be able to afford basic items, such as food and bills.
There are plans to reform Carer's Allowance and immediately increase the benefit by £20 a week, expand its eligibility and increase how much people can earn before losing the benefit. There has been criticism recently of the government prosecuting people who've inadvertently claimed Carer's Allowance despite not being eligible; the Lib Dems would introduce an amnesty for many of those cases." | | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:27 - Jul 24 with 1161 views | tivo |
3 weeks after an election, on something not in the manifesto, proposed by the SNP as an absolute setup and there are far left idiots who fall for it..
These individuals, along with a dozen more or so will break off and form a far left party by the end of the year. if they don't - they've earmarked themselves for their whole time in the party... idiots |  | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:28 - Jul 24 with 1155 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:25 - Jul 24 by GlasgowBlue |
And if you already have two children then go on to have twins you are eligible for child credit fur third child. |
I came across that too. [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 9:29]
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:30 - Jul 24 with 1144 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:12 - Jul 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Ha! He’s no Mystic Meg is he?
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He's always been a lightweight, and I can't say I've ever read more than the headline of one of his articles. | | | |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:37 - Jul 24 with 1114 views | lowhouseblue |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:27 - Jul 24 by DJR |
You appear to think seven Labour MPs and Corbyn have the power to topple a Government with such a majority.
The coincidence is that the 8 believe the two child limit is wrong, just as do the Lib Dems who had a manifesto commitment to remove it, something Labour could have done too, if it had the will.
If nothing else, Labour could, like the promise to increase defence spending to 2.5%, have said they intend to do it when resources allow, but I don't think they really want to do it.
The following explains the Lib Dem policy, and like their plans for social care, indicate they are currently to the left of Labour. And ultimately it's about political will.
"The Lib Dems would scrap or reform a range of welfare policies that anti-poverty campaigners have repeatedly said are increasing family hardship, going further than either the Conservatives or Labour have done so far.
They plan to remove the two-child limit, which affects Universal Credit and Child Tax Credit, as well as the benefit cap – the limit on the total amount of benefit one household can claim. They also plan to reduce the waiting time for the first Universal Credit payment from five weeks to five days.
Over the longer term, they say they'll review annual benefit levels, a step towards what groups like the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and the Trussell Trust call an “essentials guarantee”. That aims to ensure that benefit levels are high enough for people to be able to afford basic items, such as food and bills.
There are plans to reform Carer's Allowance and immediately increase the benefit by £20 a week, expand its eligibility and increase how much people can earn before losing the benefit. There has been criticism recently of the government prosecuting people who've inadvertently claimed Carer's Allowance despite not being eligible; the Lib Dems would introduce an amnesty for many of those cases." |
"You appear to think seven Labour MPs and Corbyn have the power to topple a Government with such a majority."
where have i said or implied that? so why make that up?
the lib dems weren't elected to form the government, and the 7 remnant corbynites weren't elected to undermine the government, however ineffective they undoubtedly are. |  |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:38 - Jul 24 with 1101 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 08:29 - Jul 24 by giant_stow |
Peston reckons there's at least £50b to find:
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This point has been made by the IFS for months, and the following from Peston's post suggests to me we are being buttered up for Austerity Mark 2, but with the blame pinned on the Tories.
"None of this is a surprise. I have been banging on for countless weeks that the new government would inherit a fiscal disaster.
So with a face that looks as though she has chewed through a crate of lemons, Reeves is doing a George Osborne: just as in 2010 he built a political and economic strategy for an entire parliament around the charge that the previous Labour government had been spending money it didn’t have, she is blaming Johnson, Truss and Sunak for her toxic fiscal legacy.
This is raw and obviously sensible politics. It should allow her and Starmer to shift opprobrium for their remedies to their Tory predecessors.
There is one big difference between her and Osborne though. He was clear from the outset that his response would be austerity, or deep cuts in public services. He had a plan. In retrospect even his own Tory colleagues wish he hadn’t been quite as zealous as he was in pursuing that austerity plan. But it was real, and simple to communicate.
But what on earth is Reeves’s plan? " | | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:39 - Jul 24 with 1089 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:09 - Jul 24 by GlasgowBlue |
You didn’t vote for them? Well you kept that quiet. |
In much the same way you may have mentioned that you did! |  |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:43 - Jul 24 with 1072 views | Blueschev |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 07:50 - Jul 24 by lowhouseblue |
while the issue is an important one, it's naive to believe that is all this is about. the core corbyn supporter group tried to put a marker down and to rally behind their hero. they were trying to establish themselves from day one as above the party and as a shadow opposition who intend to follow corbyn through the lobbies as and when called. starmer, quite rightly, is having none of it. |
The Corbyn obsession is nonsense. Had Corbyn lost his seat these 7 would still have voted the way that they did, as they would were Corbyn dead, and as they would had Corbyn never been born. This is an unprecedented act of intolerance by the party leadership. |  | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:44 - Jul 24 with 1072 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:37 - Jul 24 by lowhouseblue |
"You appear to think seven Labour MPs and Corbyn have the power to topple a Government with such a majority."
where have i said or implied that? so why make that up?
the lib dems weren't elected to form the government, and the 7 remnant corbynites weren't elected to undermine the government, however ineffective they undoubtedly are. |
Perhaps I was wrong to interpret the following in the way I did but it does come across to me as a bit paranoid especially with your frequent references to Corbyn, cults and sects.
"read the names. it's a group intending to act as a sect and as a shadow opposition to the party - it wants to align itself more with corbyn that with the government. they all have form and they were his core backers. anyone with any political nouse knows what they are up to."
"while the issue is an important one, it's naive to believe that is all this is about. the core corbyn supporter group tried to put a marker down and to rally behind their hero. they were trying to establish themselves from day one as above the party and as a shadow opposition who intend to follow corbyn through the lobbies as and when called."
Anyway, the issue for me isn't the individuals or particular policy involved but rather the illiberal crackdown on dissent. And as I posted earlier I felt the same about Johnson removing the whip from decent Tory MPs who took a different line on Brexit.
EDIT: As an aside, I had a chat with Greg Clark during the 2019 campaign who was one of the Tory MPs who had the whip withdrawn but who later toed the line and was allowed to stand. I sympathised with his plight, and contrasted his principled stance that led to the withdrawal of the whip with that of Tugendhat who had views on the EU identical to Clark but kept his head down. Clark smiled at that but said he couldn't possibly comment. [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 10:21]
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:07 - Jul 24 with 1029 views | blueasfook |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:44 - Jul 24 by DJR |
Perhaps I was wrong to interpret the following in the way I did but it does come across to me as a bit paranoid especially with your frequent references to Corbyn, cults and sects.
"read the names. it's a group intending to act as a sect and as a shadow opposition to the party - it wants to align itself more with corbyn that with the government. they all have form and they were his core backers. anyone with any political nouse knows what they are up to."
"while the issue is an important one, it's naive to believe that is all this is about. the core corbyn supporter group tried to put a marker down and to rally behind their hero. they were trying to establish themselves from day one as above the party and as a shadow opposition who intend to follow corbyn through the lobbies as and when called."
Anyway, the issue for me isn't the individuals or particular policy involved but rather the illiberal crackdown on dissent. And as I posted earlier I felt the same about Johnson removing the whip from decent Tory MPs who took a different line on Brexit.
EDIT: As an aside, I had a chat with Greg Clark during the 2019 campaign who was one of the Tory MPs who had the whip withdrawn but who later toed the line and was allowed to stand. I sympathised with his plight, and contrasted his principled stance that led to the withdrawal of the whip with that of Tugendhat who had views on the EU identical to Clark but kept his head down. Clark smiled at that but said he couldn't possibly comment. [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 10:21]
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I think Lowie is correct in that Keir is clearly laying down a marker and letting pro-Corbyn (and let's be honest, that's what it's about) rebels know that their nonsense wont be tolerated. I am surprised Dianne Abbott wasn't part of that little gang. She's clearly wised up and decided to play it safe. | |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:13 - Jul 24 with 999 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:07 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
I think Lowie is correct in that Keir is clearly laying down a marker and letting pro-Corbyn (and let's be honest, that's what it's about) rebels know that their nonsense wont be tolerated. I am surprised Dianne Abbott wasn't part of that little gang. She's clearly wised up and decided to play it safe. |
It's clear what they're up to but to me it is completely wrong because it is authoritarian in the extreme. | | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:18 - Jul 24 with 967 views | giant_stow |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:43 - Jul 24 by Blueschev |
The Corbyn obsession is nonsense. Had Corbyn lost his seat these 7 would still have voted the way that they did, as they would were Corbyn dead, and as they would had Corbyn never been born. This is an unprecedented act of intolerance by the party leadership. |
I kind of wish that they hadn't been suspended, as much as I wish they hadn't rebelled at such an early stage. |  |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:19 - Jul 24 with 971 views | blueasfook |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:13 - Jul 24 by DJR |
It's clear what they're up to but to me it is completely wrong because it is authoritarian in the extreme. |
Yes it is but neccessary or this group will fester like a cancer among the benches. Basically doing Corbyn's bidding by proxy | |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:20 - Jul 24 with 962 views | Blueschev |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:13 - Jul 24 by DJR |
It's clear what they're up to but to me it is completely wrong because it is authoritarian in the extreme. |
Comrade Starmer will soon introduce a total ban on factions, expel the "Corbynites and saboteurs" branding them enemies of the people, and publish "Left Wing Labourism; An Infantile Disorder." | | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:23 - Jul 24 with 942 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:19 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Yes it is but neccessary or this group will fester like a cancer among the benches. Basically doing Corbyn's bidding by proxy |
"fester like a cancer"? "doing Corbyn's bidding"? [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 10:25]
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:29 - Jul 24 with 905 views | Hiphopopotamus |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 09:23 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Pipe down idiot, And turn your CAPS lock off. |
ABSOLUTELY!!!!! ONLINE ETIQUETTE IS ALWAYS VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!! |  | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:31 - Jul 24 with 899 views | blueasfook |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:23 - Jul 24 by DJR |
"fester like a cancer"? "doing Corbyn's bidding"? [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 10:25]
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Jeremy Corbyn
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Tonight, I will be voting to scrap the cruel two-child benefits cap.
My message to any MP who is wavering: stick to your principles, stand up for what you know is right, and be a voice for the kinder society your constituents deserve. | |
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:33 - Jul 24 with 888 views | Blueschev |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:19 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Yes it is but neccessary or this group will fester like a cancer among the benches. Basically doing Corbyn's bidding by proxy |
That really is nonsense. There have always been Labour MP's to the left of the leadership. | | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:35 - Jul 24 with 877 views | DJR |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:31 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Jeremy Corbyn
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Tonight, I will be voting to scrap the cruel two-child benefits cap.
My message to any MP who is wavering: stick to your principles, stand up for what you know is right, and be a voice for the kinder society your constituents deserve. |
You appear to me to be straying into conspiracy theory territory if you think Corbyn is controlling what is going on. Or do you think John McDonnell doesn't have a mind of his own? [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 10:37]
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| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:35 - Jul 24 with 876 views | Blueschev |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:31 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Jeremy Corbyn
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Tonight, I will be voting to scrap the cruel two-child benefits cap.
My message to any MP who is wavering: stick to your principles, stand up for what you know is right, and be a voice for the kinder society your constituents deserve. |
These MPs were doing Corbyn's bidding by supporting a motion put forward by the SNP? Are the SNP dong Corbyn's bidding by proxy? | | | |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:40 - Jul 24 with 852 views | blueasfook |
| Control-freakery gone mad on 10:35 - Jul 24 by Blueschev |
These MPs were doing Corbyn's bidding by supporting a motion put forward by the SNP? Are the SNP dong Corbyn's bidding by proxy? |
No, but having had their asses kicked by Labour in Scotland they'll certainly have an agenda of making life hard for the Labour govt. You really think the motion was put forward out of genuine concern for children in poverty or a political gambit designed to test party unity and see where the battle lines lie? You're naive if you think the former. | |
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