| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:09 - Aug 8 with 1278 views | DJR |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:00 - Aug 8 by JakeITFC |
Tangential to the main point, but I think it is absolutely mad that they are considering banning people from football matches for something that has nothing to do with football, scummy as their actions may be. |
Short of legislation, I doubt there is power to do this given banning orders are dependent on football-related offences.
I suppose the only possibility might be action under ticketing terms and conditions of individual clubs but this would seem to me to be a bit of a stretch given clubs don't look into spectators' criminal records, and I am sure any such action could be challenged on this basis. [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 11:09]
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:14 - Aug 8 with 1236 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:09 - Aug 8 by DJR |
Short of legislation, I doubt there is power to do this given banning orders are dependent on football-related offences.
I suppose the only possibility might be action under ticketing terms and conditions of individual clubs but this would seem to me to be a bit of a stretch given clubs don't look into spectators' criminal records, and I am sure any such action could be challenged on this basis. [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 11:09]
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I guess that if they had football club paraphenalia on display whilst rioting, they might be able to link it as football-related. The only other way is that whilst in prison I would like to think they won't be attending. |  |
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:43 - Aug 8 with 1172 views | DJR |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:14 - Aug 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I guess that if they had football club paraphenalia on display whilst rioting, they might be able to link it as football-related. The only other way is that whilst in prison I would like to think they won't be attending. |
Here is an example of a football-related offence.
any offence involving the use or threat of violence by the accused towards another person committed during a period relevant to a designated football match at any premises while the accused was at, or was entering or leaving or trying to enter or leave, the premises;
And here is the definition of a period relevant to a designated football match.
the period beginning—
(i) two hours before the start of the match, or
(ii) two hours before the time at which it is advertised to start, or
(iii) with the time at which spectators are first admitted to the premises,
whichever is the earliest, and ending one hour after the end of the match; | | | |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:45 - Aug 8 with 1158 views | J2BLUE |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 07:47 - Aug 8 by GlasgowBlue |
What a shame the the people marching in Finchley last night, the most densely populated Jewish area in the UK, didn’t get the message that it was a march against racism and not in favour of it.
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Wow.
I hope people called him out on that. |  |
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:48 - Aug 8 with 1134 views | textbackup |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:00 - Aug 8 by JakeITFC |
Tangential to the main point, but I think it is absolutely mad that they are considering banning people from football matches for something that has nothing to do with football, scummy as their actions may be. |
As LL says, you only need to see how the police/courts deal with football fans. Even though 99% are just normal decent people they love to tar everyone with that 1% arsehole brush. |  |
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 12:17 - Aug 8 with 1063 views | Argyle_blue |
I know right. Shocking. This is how fascism works though. Push the narrative as far as you can until the people push back but always trying to nudge the narrative. Were long past the thin edge of the wedge. |  | | |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 12:44 - Aug 8 with 1003 views | bournemouthblue |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 00:18 - Aug 8 by Mercian |
They are coming down hard only because it is untenable for them not to do so. If you take a random look at any Daily Mail headline this decade there is a very good chance that it is anti immigrant propaganda. The Daily Mail is a disgusting publication. |
Social Media gets a lot of flack but the right wing gutter press, Nigel Farage, UKIP and the Conservative Party have undoubtedly contributed to the apathy towards immigrants and asylum seekers. It's been a collective attack and they have played a part of that.
There will be questions for the likes of Braverman in the coming weeks I am sure |  |
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 12:49 - Aug 8 with 971 views | Bluedandy |
In what way is the fourth story an endorsement of Tommy Robinson?
It is perfectly valid journalistically to report on how hugely influential online figures like Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk (it's irrelevant what you think of them politically) are providing Tommy Robinson with the opportunity to reach a much larger global audience.
If the story seeks to endorse the views of Robinson why would The Telegraph journalist extensively quote Sunder Katwala, director of British Future and former general secretary of The Fabian Society.
To suggest the paper is acting as some kind of propagandistic mouthpiece for Robinson is pure hyperbole.
It is clearly providing a platform for Katwala to reaffirm the message that, despite the efforts of Musk and Peterson, to most people Robinson remains a nasty and divisive individual. |  | | |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 12:50 - Aug 8 with 959 views | DJR |
Given its recent coverage, you might think it is just the sort of thing the Telegraph would print.
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 13:04 - Aug 8 with 903 views | victorywilhappen |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 11:45 - Aug 8 by J2BLUE |
Wow.
I hope people called him out on that. |
I'm speculating that Rasta's are welcome with their own beliefs on Zionism, being different to what the far-left meanies mean is not welcome. |  | | |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 13:18 - Aug 8 with 843 views | DJR |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 12:49 - Aug 8 by Bluedandy |
In what way is the fourth story an endorsement of Tommy Robinson?
It is perfectly valid journalistically to report on how hugely influential online figures like Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk (it's irrelevant what you think of them politically) are providing Tommy Robinson with the opportunity to reach a much larger global audience.
If the story seeks to endorse the views of Robinson why would The Telegraph journalist extensively quote Sunder Katwala, director of British Future and former general secretary of The Fabian Society.
To suggest the paper is acting as some kind of propagandistic mouthpiece for Robinson is pure hyperbole.
It is clearly providing a platform for Katwala to reaffirm the message that, despite the efforts of Musk and Peterson, to most people Robinson remains a nasty and divisive individual. |
To be honest, I couldn't be bothered to read an article about Tommy Robinson (being put off by the suggestion he had entered the mainstream) but, having the Telegraph app by virtue of a friend's subscription, I read the paper on a daily basis (and have done for a long time) and it on that basis that I have formed the view about the paper.
The paper is a pale shadow of what it once was, and peddles all the things that Tommy Robinson peddles, such as Islamophobia and two-tier policing. Added to that the real disgrace on focusing recent editions only on Muslims on the street.
Do you read the paper regularly? [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 13:55]
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| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 14:39 - Aug 8 with 727 views | Bluedandy |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 13:18 - Aug 8 by DJR |
To be honest, I couldn't be bothered to read an article about Tommy Robinson (being put off by the suggestion he had entered the mainstream) but, having the Telegraph app by virtue of a friend's subscription, I read the paper on a daily basis (and have done for a long time) and it on that basis that I have formed the view about the paper.
The paper is a pale shadow of what it once was, and peddles all the things that Tommy Robinson peddles, such as Islamophobia and two-tier policing. Added to that the real disgrace on focusing recent editions only on Muslims on the street.
Do you read the paper regularly? [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 13:55]
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I read / consume all sorts of media (too much probably ) left and right including Telegraph.
Like any paper the quality of journalism varies, it's been strong on Ukraine, less so on Gaza.
Regarding Tommy Robinson, my take is that it's not a mouthpiece for him.
Opinion pieces have been unequivocally critical and the profile re Musk and Peterson was anything but an endorsement. | | | |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 15:24 - Aug 8 with 650 views | DJR |
| Mail and Express front pages tomorrow on 14:39 - Aug 8 by Bluedandy |
I read / consume all sorts of media (too much probably ) left and right including Telegraph.
Like any paper the quality of journalism varies, it's been strong on Ukraine, less so on Gaza.
Regarding Tommy Robinson, my take is that it's not a mouthpiece for him.
Opinion pieces have been unequivocally critical and the profile re Musk and Peterson was anything but an endorsement. |
We can obviously agree to disagree on this but I do find bizarre the Telegraph's general sense of grievance about the state of the UK given it has had a Tory government in power for 14 years. Perhaps this is just further proof of how right wing it really is, and just think what it would be like if it had had 14 years of the socialists. [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 15:26]
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