| fastest finger first…. 09:52 - Aug 8 with 12958 views | witchdoctor |
good luck to all of you in the 15/19 club who are poised to enter the fray for Citeh tickets presently…🤞 |  | | |  |
| So why didn't you.... on 14:16 - Aug 8 with 1438 views | nodge_blue |
| So why didn't you.... on 14:14 - Aug 8 by sjg |
I haven't read anyone's comments that way, just that you can't expect to go to more games now we're in the Prem than people who went to more games than you last season |
I don't. But as Ive said in many of these posts, my analysis of this is that we will sell out all away games and that the ballot won't support enough that are applying.
Im stopping this now as Im repeating myself. |  |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:20 - Aug 8 with 1409 views | Bloots |
| So why didn't you.... on 13:54 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
I love your empathy.
Its not a complicated argument Ive put forward and that is everyone who buys a membership or a season ticket should have a guarantee of an away ticket.
And as someone else pointed out we didn't know the ballot allocation when we bought it. 2% is not enough and it should be much higher.
And you using words like whining when Ive tried to be level headed in this debate is out of order. If Im not allowed to make valid points on this forum in a reasonable way, what's the point. |
....why didn't you buy a membership last season when you knew how the ticket allocation worked? |  |
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| So why didn't you.... on 14:24 - Aug 8 with 1373 views | witchdoctor |
| So why didn't you.... on 14:12 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
I stayed over. And we went back for the Bristol city game this year.
It's that which is getting my goat. The fact Im being told that In cant expect to go to ANY game this year just because I didn't go to every game last year.
Well maybe Leicester away according to GB.... [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 14:13]
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‘every game last year’…😂😂😂..bit of an exaggeration wouldn’t you say? [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 14:45]
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| So why didn't you.... on 14:31 - Aug 8 with 1328 views | nodge_blue |
| So why didn't you.... on 14:24 - Aug 8 by witchdoctor |
‘every game last year’…😂😂😂..bit of an exaggeration wouldn’t you say? [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 14:45]
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Sorry yes that was an exaggeration. you are correct. | |
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| fastest finger first…. on 14:33 - Aug 8 with 1311 views | SitfcB |
| fastest finger first…. on 12:40 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
Exactly that.
It dawned on me today that my aspirations to go to a couple of away games is pretty much zero. And I just don't think that's right. I think all season ticket holders / away member ship holder should at least get a guarantee of 1 away match.
And that it seems by down votes is an entirely unreasonable position to take. |
You may be successful in the ballot? Wouldn’t rule it out. There will be away games that aren’t as appealing as the big teams. |  |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:34 - Aug 8 with 1305 views | nodge_blue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:20 - Aug 8 by Bloots |
....why didn't you buy a membership last season when you knew how the ticket allocation worked? |
I didn't buy a membership last year because I thought the season ticket I had bought would give me sufficient priority to get to the one or two away games that I do each year. Which it did. I wasn't aware or didn't read into enough that only if you held a membership did tat allow you to accrue points. I had wrongly assumed that points accrued for just going to the away games. | |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:38 - Aug 8 with 1280 views | SitfcB |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:34 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
I didn't buy a membership last year because I thought the season ticket I had bought would give me sufficient priority to get to the one or two away games that I do each year. Which it did. I wasn't aware or didn't read into enough that only if you held a membership did tat allow you to accrue points. I had wrongly assumed that points accrued for just going to the away games. |
That’s on you then isn’t it. [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 14:42]
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| I won't comment any further......! on 14:40 - Aug 8 with 1237 views | Bloots |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:34 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
I didn't buy a membership last year because I thought the season ticket I had bought would give me sufficient priority to get to the one or two away games that I do each year. Which it did. I wasn't aware or didn't read into enough that only if you held a membership did tat allow you to accrue points. I had wrongly assumed that points accrued for just going to the away games. |
....hope you get a match nevertheless. | |
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| fastest finger first…. on 14:41 - Aug 8 with 1234 views | Leaky |
| fastest finger first…. on 14:14 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
Ill take Brighton or Bournemouth tbh. |
I think Bournemouth could be interesting, as a few in the 25+ group won't get a ticket for that game. Away allocation will probably be around 1K |  | | |
| fastest finger first…. on 14:43 - Aug 8 with 1210 views | ITFC_Forever |
| fastest finger first…. on 14:41 - Aug 8 by Leaky |
I think Bournemouth could be interesting, as a few in the 25+ group won't get a ticket for that game. Away allocation will probably be around 1K |
Helps that it's a night match to be fair.
Arriving home at 2 in the morning puts some people off. |  |
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| fastest finger first…. on 14:46 - Aug 8 with 1169 views | Leaky |
| fastest finger first…. on 14:43 - Aug 8 by ITFC_Forever |
Helps that it's a night match to be fair.
Arriving home at 2 in the morning puts some people off. |
To be honest I didn't check the kick off time. May be a stay over game then | | | |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:47 - Aug 8 with 1165 views | nodge_blue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:38 - Aug 8 by SitfcB |
That’s on you then isn’t it. [Post edited 8 Aug 2024 14:42]
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Yes it is. but regardless of that, and regardless whether I would or would not have enough points in the bag to secure priority; I still believe that all season ticket holders and membership holders should have some sort of guarantee to one or two away matches a year. And that there should be an openness to people sharing these tickets about.
What Ive met on here today is more a feeling that people who are in possession / position are very reluctant to take a more sharing approach to the whole system and think that a system which will continue to give points to those who, already have them, and limit a ballot to 60 tickets is appropriate. | |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:49 - Aug 8 with 1160 views | yorkshireblue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:47 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
Yes it is. but regardless of that, and regardless whether I would or would not have enough points in the bag to secure priority; I still believe that all season ticket holders and membership holders should have some sort of guarantee to one or two away matches a year. And that there should be an openness to people sharing these tickets about.
What Ive met on here today is more a feeling that people who are in possession / position are very reluctant to take a more sharing approach to the whole system and think that a system which will continue to give points to those who, already have them, and limit a ballot to 60 tickets is appropriate. |
Why should a ST holder who has potentially never been to an away game have guarantee to away fixtures? |  | | |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:51 - Aug 8 with 1154 views | nodge_blue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:49 - Aug 8 by yorkshireblue |
Why should a ST holder who has potentially never been to an away game have guarantee to away fixtures? |
Perhaps because they would like to go?
I mean maybe that's enough....
its only one or two games. And if they don't want to go then that's their choice.
The question you really should have asked is why should a person who has spent £30 on a membership in anticipation of getting away tickets not have a guarantee? | |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:55 - Aug 8 with 1132 views | yorkshireblue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:51 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
Perhaps because they would like to go?
I mean maybe that's enough....
its only one or two games. And if they don't want to go then that's their choice.
The question you really should have asked is why should a person who has spent £30 on a membership in anticipation of getting away tickets not have a guarantee? |
Because it was advertised quite clearly as that you'd get priority based on away points and nowhere at all has it ever mentioned a guarantee? | | | |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:56 - Aug 8 with 1117 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:51 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
Perhaps because they would like to go?
I mean maybe that's enough....
its only one or two games. And if they don't want to go then that's their choice.
The question you really should have asked is why should a person who has spent £30 on a membership in anticipation of getting away tickets not have a guarantee? |
Because the person doesn't have enough points against a clearly laid out policy? | |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:03 - Aug 8 with 1064 views | Leaky |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:55 - Aug 8 by yorkshireblue |
Because it was advertised quite clearly as that you'd get priority based on away points and nowhere at all has it ever mentioned a guarantee? |
To be honest I wasn't to impressed with the points system as up to promotion from league 1, I the the Ultimate membership which guaranteed me an away ticket however you had to buy every ticket whether you went or not would have preferred that to the present system | | | |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:03 - Aug 8 with 1058 views | nodge_blue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:55 - Aug 8 by yorkshireblue |
Because it was advertised quite clearly as that you'd get priority based on away points and nowhere at all has it ever mentioned a guarantee? |
I understand that. Im just saying I don't agree with it.
And morally I fail to see how people cant support the idea of sharing these tickets in a way that would at least support the opportunity for everyone to get to at least one or two games.
You can keep downvoting all you like but that's my opinion and Ive tried to justify it against what I see as a closed shop that is even more closed because others won't get to away matched to accrue any points, | |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:06 - Aug 8 with 1020 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:03 - Aug 8 by Leaky |
To be honest I wasn't to impressed with the points system as up to promotion from league 1, I the the Ultimate membership which guaranteed me an away ticket however you had to buy every ticket whether you went or not would have preferred that to the present system |
Surely if you go to every game, you're in the top bracket anyway?
And you get to choose your seat, and can drop a game or two if you want. | |
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| fastest finger first…. on 15:28 - Aug 8 with 942 views | Stenvict |
| fastest finger first…. on 13:03 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
I do deny it.
As Ive said anyway who is a season ticket holder or spent money getting an away membership, should have a guarantee of at least one away match. Or what's the point of the away membership at £30?
I probably would have had 16 points if I had bought the poxy away membership and not used my season ticket priority instead.
People who go regularly away should feel that they could miss a few games for the greater good of the wider fanbase. |
Regarding your last paragraph, as someone that goes to every game home and away, I would be extremely annoyed if I was told to miss a couple of games, because other fans wanted to attend their only 2 away games of the season.
I agree with you regarding not getting points unless you have a membership is unfair, but this was an issue at the start of last season, so you must've been aware.
Also, the 'away membership' you speak of, does not exist. It's one membership for everyone, whether you're a ST holder or not. |  |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:34 - Aug 8 with 927 views | Vegtablue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 14:47 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
Yes it is. but regardless of that, and regardless whether I would or would not have enough points in the bag to secure priority; I still believe that all season ticket holders and membership holders should have some sort of guarantee to one or two away matches a year. And that there should be an openness to people sharing these tickets about.
What Ive met on here today is more a feeling that people who are in possession / position are very reluctant to take a more sharing approach to the whole system and think that a system which will continue to give points to those who, already have them, and limit a ballot to 60 tickets is appropriate. |
We have roughly 20K ST holders and it wouldn't surprise me if we have roughly 10K non-ST members. If we guaranteed all in this group one away game, that would be roughly 55% of away tickets already allocated. There isn't enough away capacity for all in this group to be able to attend two matches.
I know many would only want to go to the biggest away grounds and some wouldn't want or be in a position to go at all, but the numbers we're talking about highlights the impracticality of such a proposal for me. Agree the 2% ballot is very small - cheeky of the club to advertise this membership benefit without stating numbers; I suspect many ST holders wouldn't have bothered purchasing if they'd known the percentage was so much smaller than the home ballot. | | | |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:41 - Aug 8 with 881 views | yorkshireblue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:03 - Aug 8 by nodge_blue |
I understand that. Im just saying I don't agree with it.
And morally I fail to see how people cant support the idea of sharing these tickets in a way that would at least support the opportunity for everyone to get to at least one or two games.
You can keep downvoting all you like but that's my opinion and Ive tried to justify it against what I see as a closed shop that is even more closed because others won't get to away matched to accrue any points, |
19 away games... 3,000 capcaity means that we will get 57,000 away tickets throughout the course of the season. Let's knock some off to account for the likes of Bournemouth etc and say we have 52,000 tickets.
We have in the region of 21,000 season ticket holders. If every one of those gets tickets to two games like you have suggested, then that is 42,000 tickets gone across the season. Meaning, for the entire season, all other town fans have a total of 10,000 away tickets to go between them - irrespective of the number of away games they have been to last season?
Sounds a pretty closed shop to me - or does that not matter as long as you get access to the two games you want? | | | |
| fastest finger first…. on 15:44 - Aug 8 with 864 views | nodge_blue |
| fastest finger first…. on 15:28 - Aug 8 by Stenvict |
Regarding your last paragraph, as someone that goes to every game home and away, I would be extremely annoyed if I was told to miss a couple of games, because other fans wanted to attend their only 2 away games of the season.
I agree with you regarding not getting points unless you have a membership is unfair, but this was an issue at the start of last season, so you must've been aware.
Also, the 'away membership' you speak of, does not exist. It's one membership for everyone, whether you're a ST holder or not. |
Why would you be extremely annoyed at giving up two away games a year so that others could share in the experience of visiting a premier league ground? isn't 17 enough? | |
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| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:50 - Aug 8 with 837 views | Leaky |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:06 - Aug 8 by ITFC_Forever |
Surely if you go to every game, you're in the top bracket anyway?
And you get to choose your seat, and can drop a game or two if you want. |
They changed the system last season to what we have now so didn't goto as many games last season plus they dropped league 1 points from your total so I went from 30+ points 20+ you have to work the system as if you drop out of the top tier you will struggle to get back in | | | |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:52 - Aug 8 with 833 views | nodge_blue |
| Yeah, yeah, but.... on 15:41 - Aug 8 by yorkshireblue |
19 away games... 3,000 capcaity means that we will get 57,000 away tickets throughout the course of the season. Let's knock some off to account for the likes of Bournemouth etc and say we have 52,000 tickets.
We have in the region of 21,000 season ticket holders. If every one of those gets tickets to two games like you have suggested, then that is 42,000 tickets gone across the season. Meaning, for the entire season, all other town fans have a total of 10,000 away tickets to go between them - irrespective of the number of away games they have been to last season?
Sounds a pretty closed shop to me - or does that not matter as long as you get access to the two games you want? |
Yes a fair point. Maybe I will have to restrict the guarantee to 1 in my manifesto. But that's just a joker system allowing a top tier entry you understand and can only be played once. And not all season ticket holders will want to take it up anyway. | |
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