| How has Woolfy played 17:19 - Aug 24 with 6315 views | reusersfreekicks |
these 2 games? As looks about to lose his place.... |  | | |  |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:35 - Aug 24 with 1381 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:32 - Aug 24 by BloomBlue |
Bit ironic isn't it re you're KM comment. You often disagree with KMs decisions especially during the games, including the players he selects. Now your saying whatever decision he makes is correct. |
Bit ironic isn't it re you're KM comment. You often disagree with KMs decisions especially during the games, including the players he selects.
What are you on about? |  |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:38 - Aug 24 with 1367 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How has Woolfy played on 19:27 - Aug 24 by ArnieM |
Sorry , but for me he’s simply nowhere near good enough.
That’s a given comment from me for many of you on here I’m sure. I harbour him no malice. I just don’t rate him as a DEFENDER ( I’ve been at pains to make this distinction many times) . I’m not sure where his best position is, but it’s not as a CB. I would say he’s a player that might do well in the Championship, but I don’t think it’ll be as a CB. |
"I’m not sure where his best position is, but it’s not as a CB. I would say he’s a player that might do well in the Championship, but I don’t think it’ll be as a CB."
Funny how none of the half a dozen or more professional managers with experience of League 1, the Championship and the Premier League all seem to be certain that his best position is as a centre back. And only one of those thought that he wasn't good enough for League 1 many years ago, whilst McKenna was happy with him in the Championship last season.
You may well believe that you have no personal grudge against Woolfenden, but then so did Frimmers when he was slagging off Wes Burns every week. His family were not so comfortable about that.
There is absolutely no doubt that the very least Woolfenden will be this season is back up to a Premier League first team. He may well be a regular in that first team as yet. |  |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:39 - Aug 24 with 1348 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:38 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"I’m not sure where his best position is, but it’s not as a CB. I would say he’s a player that might do well in the Championship, but I don’t think it’ll be as a CB."
Funny how none of the half a dozen or more professional managers with experience of League 1, the Championship and the Premier League all seem to be certain that his best position is as a centre back. And only one of those thought that he wasn't good enough for League 1 many years ago, whilst McKenna was happy with him in the Championship last season.
You may well believe that you have no personal grudge against Woolfenden, but then so did Frimmers when he was slagging off Wes Burns every week. His family were not so comfortable about that.
There is absolutely no doubt that the very least Woolfenden will be this season is back up to a Premier League first team. He may well be a regular in that first team as yet. |
Again. No need to bring up the past. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:41 - Aug 24 with 1329 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:31 - Aug 24 by pointofblue |
I disagree that he can't head the ball, can't tackle and lacks physicality. I think he has taken a step forward again on all three from what we've seen over the past two games. I appreciate the argument about pace. I also understand the argument about whether the improvement is enough, and whether he's now at his ceiling.
Davis is, of course, is unlucky not to have a penalty assist in the positive column against his name today. He is the only player where we haven't bought in someone who is at least an equal, if not an improvement on. |
Tbf I agree with you on those aspects not arnie.
I think he's a solid champ cb. As a said earlier that's not being unkind just more that he's met his ceiling imo which is absolutely fine as not everyone can be a prem player. That however doesn't mean he still doesn't have time on his side and it can't happen. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:42 - Aug 24 with 1329 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:39 - Aug 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Again. No need to bring up the past. |
I am sorry if it stings but it is highly relevant when someone is singling out a player unfairly. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:43 - Aug 24 with 1319 views | BloomBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:39 - Aug 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Again. No need to bring up the past. |
Honestly, im not sure what you're talking about, everything is in the past, even the game Town just played against City.
We're talking about Woolfy based on his past performances?
Not sure what I've missed |  | | |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:46 - Aug 24 with 1307 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:42 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am sorry if it stings but it is highly relevant when someone is singling out a player unfairly. |
It's not about it stinging it happened.
But I know they would agree with me that there's no need to bring it up specifically. It happened, learnt from it.
It's easy to say don't single out a player without being specific. I know having spoken with Mr Burns he's happy to see me discussing things with people on the forum and wouldn't want to keep revisiting the past. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:47 - Aug 24 with 1303 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:43 - Aug 24 by BloomBlue |
Honestly, im not sure what you're talking about, everything is in the past, even the game Town just played against City.
We're talking about Woolfy based on his past performances?
Not sure what I've missed |
He is referring to the issue with Wes Burns that I referenced. It was an incident that was properly resolved and does not need bringing back up but I was referencing it because Arnie's very personal vendetta against Woolfenden is on the same basis of taking a ridiculous stance on the player's footballing abilities. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 20:47 - Aug 24 with 1299 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:43 - Aug 24 by BloomBlue |
Honestly, im not sure what you're talking about, everything is in the past, even the game Town just played against City.
We're talking about Woolfy based on his past performances?
Not sure what I've missed |
Wasn't replying to you. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 21:04 - Aug 24 with 1246 views | BloomBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:47 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He is referring to the issue with Wes Burns that I referenced. It was an incident that was properly resolved and does not need bringing back up but I was referencing it because Arnie's very personal vendetta against Woolfenden is on the same basis of taking a ridiculous stance on the player's footballing abilities. |
Ahhhh.
I agree Arnie approach is personal against Woolfy, rather than football related.
But I've given him the opportunity to disprove that by demonstrating where Woolfy almost completed zero tackles in either game this season as he claimed. If he can I'll apologise, that I was wrong and his opinion is football based | | | |
| How has Woolfy played on 21:11 - Aug 24 with 1222 views | FrimleyBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 21:04 - Aug 24 by BloomBlue |
Ahhhh.
I agree Arnie approach is personal against Woolfy, rather than football related.
But I've given him the opportunity to disprove that by demonstrating where Woolfy almost completed zero tackles in either game this season as he claimed. If he can I'll apologise, that I was wrong and his opinion is football based |
I maybe wrong but I think arnie is referring to a lack of ground breaking tackles rather than a well won ball. For example Burgess. Greaves you can easily remember a rock hard diving interception. I don't think it's that easy with wolfy. I'm not saying of that's a good or bad thing but what I think arnie is referring to. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 21:29 - Aug 24 with 1175 views | ArnieM |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:42 - Aug 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I am sorry if it stings but it is highly relevant when someone is singling out a player unfairly. |
But I’m not singling him out. When people post plaudits about him, I post my opinion about him. The problem is the Woolfenden fan club don’t like anyone having a different opinion to theirs. I really don’t get the adulation he gets by some on here , in my view he’s just average. In fact the halo effect he is afforded by some on here has never, to my knowledge, been bourn out by the independently named “ EFL Team of the Week” ? I don’t think he appeared in a single one in either League One or Championship. So are they single him out by not picking him, or is it a true reflection of his level, which is average? Nothing wrong with average . That’s where he is.
I’ve watched Town for years … decades, and I’ve seen many combinations of defenders and there have been opinions by fans on those players. Some are fans favourites, some are not. There are many people who stand around me in the SBR lower, who openly criticise him. So it really ISNT just me seeing the weaknesses in his game. It’s not personal. If he does something good, I bloody shout well done Woolfie…. But I’ll also complain when he doesn’t do what he should do, in a given situation.
I’ve also acknowledged on here in the past l, that he has improved. But of course those comments are never acknowledged are they. I’m targeted for everything I post. I’m sorry you don’t agree with my views. But that’s all they are, my views. And you and others on here have theirs. That’s it really. [Post edited 24 Aug 2024 22:09]
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| How has Woolfy played on 22:16 - Aug 24 with 1128 views | ArnieM |
| How has Woolfy played on 20:30 - Aug 24 by BloomBlue |
Almost zero tackling???
Get the recordings from the Liverpool & City and proved he does almost zero tackling.
I get it you have a personal dislike of Woolfy as a human, which is obvious when you say utter b0llocks like almost zero tackling. |
I do not have a “ personal dislike” of the player. I just don’t rate him as a defender. I did not start this thread. I have merely responded to it. It’s my opinion . There are others that have stated he is not good enough . I don’t see you calling them out, why is that?
He rarely makes a telling tackle on an opponent . Running alongside them is not making a tackle. What he goes to a lit, is constantly drop further and further back marking a space, not a player. If he’s zoning fine, but usually when the tactic is to zone defend its find by all the defenders, not just one.
You and the others that come after me for my opinion, make it personal. I’m sorry you don’t like my opinion. But that’s all it is , my opinion. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 05:30 - Aug 25 with 1001 views | hype313 |
| How has Woolfy played on 22:16 - Aug 24 by ArnieM |
I do not have a “ personal dislike” of the player. I just don’t rate him as a defender. I did not start this thread. I have merely responded to it. It’s my opinion . There are others that have stated he is not good enough . I don’t see you calling them out, why is that?
He rarely makes a telling tackle on an opponent . Running alongside them is not making a tackle. What he goes to a lit, is constantly drop further and further back marking a space, not a player. If he’s zoning fine, but usually when the tactic is to zone defend its find by all the defenders, not just one.
You and the others that come after me for my opinion, make it personal. I’m sorry you don’t like my opinion. But that’s all it is , my opinion. |
My take is that I like him, he's a solid defender but with limitations, bear in mind we conceded far more than others last season in the Champ you can see why KM feels the same, which is why he's dropping millions on Dara.
No slight on Wolfie, personally or professionally, but football is ruthless, as Burgess is finding out. |  |
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| How has Woolfy played on 07:17 - Aug 25 with 975 views | mikeybloo88 |
| How has Woolfy played on 18:22 - Aug 24 by warky_1970 |
Have to say I am surprised that Woolfy has kept Burgess out of the side. |
Burgess is definitely the better player so it can only be for right foot balance that Woolfie plays...I’d still prefer Burgess on his wrong side to Woolfie though. Moot point once O’Shea gets here.. |  | | |
| How has Woolfy played on 09:57 - Aug 25 with 876 views | DJR |
I have been at both opening games and in my view Woolfy has hardly put a foot wrong against two of the three best teams in the league: the same is true of Greaves.
That does not suggest to me a player who cannot play at this level.
Of course, maybe O'Shea will replace him as first choice but even if that is the case he will remain a very important member of the squad.
As it is, I know nothing about O'Shea. Is he as good at playing it out from the back as Woolfy because even yesterday there were a couple of occasions where Woolfy advanced and played us into nice positions?
Finally, if we play three/five at the back, like yesterday maybe the back three would be O'Shea, Woolfy and Greaves. [Post edited 25 Aug 2024 10:43]
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| How has Woolfy played on 10:52 - Aug 25 with 823 views | AVJones |
| How has Woolfy played on 19:27 - Aug 24 by ArnieM |
Sorry , but for me he’s simply nowhere near good enough.
That’s a given comment from me for many of you on here I’m sure. I harbour him no malice. I just don’t rate him as a DEFENDER ( I’ve been at pains to make this distinction many times) . I’m not sure where his best position is, but it’s not as a CB. I would say he’s a player that might do well in the Championship, but I don’t think it’ll be as a CB. |
So, even you agree he played well v Liverpool…
And you didn’t watch yesterday’s match. (He played well btw)
And by your maths that equals … not good enough.
Two good games against two of the best Premier sides confirms your view that he’s not good enough. Eh?
No logic here. No analysis. Just old, outdated, irrelevant opinion.
Time to move on with your thinking. You don’t see bias, most others do. |  | | |
| How has Woolfy played on 11:17 - Aug 25 with 768 views | LancsBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 17:29 - Aug 24 by FrimleyBlue |
He's a solid championship defender imo and there is no disgrace in that.
But for prem he doesn't have the pace and positioning is off but also he's OK at close ball playing but can't get you out of trouble with a nicely placed diag ping. |
Isn't that what was said about John Stones when he moved to the Premier League from Barnsley? I'm obviously not saying that Woolfie will develop into that quality of player but for christ sakes writing him off after two decent games against the best teams in the country is way OTT. New signings are afforded time to settle so why not the best of our existing players? |  |
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| How has Woolfy played on 11:20 - Aug 25 with 766 views | pointofblue |
| How has Woolfy played on 11:17 - Aug 25 by LancsBlue |
Isn't that what was said about John Stones when he moved to the Premier League from Barnsley? I'm obviously not saying that Woolfie will develop into that quality of player but for christ sakes writing him off after two decent games against the best teams in the country is way OTT. New signings are afforded time to settle so why not the best of our existing players? |
"New signings are afforded time to settle".
Arlo Muric says hi. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 11:40 - Aug 25 with 748 views | franz_tyson |
| How has Woolfy played on 11:17 - Aug 25 by LancsBlue |
Isn't that what was said about John Stones when he moved to the Premier League from Barnsley? I'm obviously not saying that Woolfie will develop into that quality of player but for christ sakes writing him off after two decent games against the best teams in the country is way OTT. New signings are afforded time to settle so why not the best of our existing players? |
No-ohe is writing him off after 2 games. Opinions have been made way earlier.
And Kieran has also made his decision on Woolf. That's why O'Shea is being brought in. He's not being brought in to be Woolf's understudy. If Woolf was THAT good and one of our best players then we'd be keeping our money in our pocket for a CB to help bring in a top-class striker.
It's not Frimmers or Arnie's decision to replace Woolf with O'Shea. That comes from Kieran. We've had to accept that Greaves is an upgrade on Burgess ( a better CB than Woolf IMO) , but the mention of Woolf being replaced and there's outrage.
Woolf has done OK in his two games, but O'Shea will start ahead of Woolf. Get used to it. | | | |
| How has Woolfy played on 11:49 - Aug 25 with 714 views | pointofblue |
| How has Woolfy played on 11:40 - Aug 25 by franz_tyson |
No-ohe is writing him off after 2 games. Opinions have been made way earlier.
And Kieran has also made his decision on Woolf. That's why O'Shea is being brought in. He's not being brought in to be Woolf's understudy. If Woolf was THAT good and one of our best players then we'd be keeping our money in our pocket for a CB to help bring in a top-class striker.
It's not Frimmers or Arnie's decision to replace Woolf with O'Shea. That comes from Kieran. We've had to accept that Greaves is an upgrade on Burgess ( a better CB than Woolf IMO) , but the mention of Woolf being replaced and there's outrage.
Woolf has done OK in his two games, but O'Shea will start ahead of Woolf. Get used to it. |
McKenna has replaced every single squad player from last year with someone who, on paper, is an equal or improvement, aside from Davis and maybe Hutchinson, dependent if we bring in a striker who shifts Delap to the right. So on those grounds none of them are good enough.
And the big issue for many who are backing Woolfenden is opinions were made well before now, as you say. He's been criticised for not being good enough in League One, then the Championship. The argument isn't he's not good enough now, it's a case he has never been good enough and there's a degree of revelling in being proved 'right', which isn't happening with other players. | |
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| How has Woolfy played on 12:17 - Aug 25 with 658 views | BloomBlue |
| How has Woolfy played on 11:40 - Aug 25 by franz_tyson |
No-ohe is writing him off after 2 games. Opinions have been made way earlier.
And Kieran has also made his decision on Woolf. That's why O'Shea is being brought in. He's not being brought in to be Woolf's understudy. If Woolf was THAT good and one of our best players then we'd be keeping our money in our pocket for a CB to help bring in a top-class striker.
It's not Frimmers or Arnie's decision to replace Woolf with O'Shea. That comes from Kieran. We've had to accept that Greaves is an upgrade on Burgess ( a better CB than Woolf IMO) , but the mention of Woolf being replaced and there's outrage.
Woolf has done OK in his two games, but O'Shea will start ahead of Woolf. Get used to it. |
Nobody has complained about him being replaced, its the inconsistent of how some fans attack players based on their personal opinion of the person, rather than a footballer.
As I said a few times now, last week L'pools 2nd goal was as much about Greaves slowness to go and close down Salah after he had gone beyond Davis. If that had been Woolf the anti Woolf brigade would highlight as slowness, but conveniently ignore it for Greaves.
We all accept players will be replaced at some stage in their career. But some of us will have a go at other fans when inconsistent in their attacks on players. Get used to it. | | | |
| How has Woolfy played on 12:52 - Aug 25 with 635 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How has Woolfy played on 21:29 - Aug 24 by ArnieM |
But I’m not singling him out. When people post plaudits about him, I post my opinion about him. The problem is the Woolfenden fan club don’t like anyone having a different opinion to theirs. I really don’t get the adulation he gets by some on here , in my view he’s just average. In fact the halo effect he is afforded by some on here has never, to my knowledge, been bourn out by the independently named “ EFL Team of the Week” ? I don’t think he appeared in a single one in either League One or Championship. So are they single him out by not picking him, or is it a true reflection of his level, which is average? Nothing wrong with average . That’s where he is.
I’ve watched Town for years … decades, and I’ve seen many combinations of defenders and there have been opinions by fans on those players. Some are fans favourites, some are not. There are many people who stand around me in the SBR lower, who openly criticise him. So it really ISNT just me seeing the weaknesses in his game. It’s not personal. If he does something good, I bloody shout well done Woolfie…. But I’ll also complain when he doesn’t do what he should do, in a given situation.
I’ve also acknowledged on here in the past l, that he has improved. But of course those comments are never acknowledged are they. I’m targeted for everything I post. I’m sorry you don’t agree with my views. But that’s all they are, my views. And you and others on here have theirs. That’s it really. [Post edited 24 Aug 2024 22:09]
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You are not targetted for everything you post that is nonsense. However, you are very rightly pulled up for a ridiculous and unfounded vendetta against Woolfenden. Your own words were:
"I’m not sure where his best position is, but it’s not as a CB. I would say he’s a player that might do well in the Championship, but I don’t think it’ll be as a CB."
That is a baseless, ridiculous, provably false and unfounded statement. Try reflecting on your own words. | |
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