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Not sure if this link will work, but there is a bit of a debate (well it would be a debate if there were two sides to this particular story, it’s more a series of rants) about whether dynamic pricing for match tickets is a reasonable development.
Clearly a topic fuelled by the recent furore about Oasis tickets. I think that if the club could direct the tickets to true fans and guarantee no resale then there is no justification for this. If they are finding that these tickets are simply ending up with touts, maybe the club should make that margin rather than the third parties.
This is what was predicted on Keno's thread this morning, International break and the political bickering starts to go nuclear.
For what it's worth I think Oasis should be nationalised and the Government make them tour every small venue in the British Isles for the next three years and charging no more than a fiver.
The question for me was less whether the Gallaghers were profiteering - clearly they are - and I for one am amazed that the yoof are so excited about this.
My point is more that if there is a clearing price for a ticket in the secondary market (assuming that secondary market is liquid) should the band benefit from that incremental demand, or should the wide boys and bot programmers who manage to hoover up all the primary supply to take a turn be the beneficiaries.
Now you could say they have simply not done enough to shut down that secondary market in order to justify their particularly dodgy practices here, and I really dont support the idea of queuing for something where you are unaware of the clearing price when you get to the end of the queue. But at a high level, I would rather the "artist" made this money than the fella with the sheepskin coat.
This is what was predicted on Keno's thread this morning, International break and the political bickering starts to go nuclear.
For what it's worth I think Oasis should be nationalised and the Government make them tour every small venue in the British Isles for the next three years and charging no more than a fiver.
i vote wwz! while you're nationalising oasis, could you also nationalise and protect those small venues?
just checked; i paid £6 for oasis at the duchess of york in '94, so £5 might be unrealistic!
i vote wwz! while you're nationalising oasis, could you also nationalise and protect those small venues?
just checked; i paid £6 for oasis at the duchess of york in '94, so £5 might be unrealistic!
I'll put the ticket up to a tenner if they have more recent bands lie Grandmas House along as support. And the bar at the back of the venue with all the beer out of a cask at four quid a pint. And some of those venison grillsteaks from Lidl in a soda bread bun with rocket and lollo rosso for four quid too.
The question for me was less whether the Gallaghers were profiteering - clearly they are - and I for one am amazed that the yoof are so excited about this.
My point is more that if there is a clearing price for a ticket in the secondary market (assuming that secondary market is liquid) should the band benefit from that incremental demand, or should the wide boys and bot programmers who manage to hoover up all the primary supply to take a turn be the beneficiaries.
Now you could say they have simply not done enough to shut down that secondary market in order to justify their particularly dodgy practices here, and I really dont support the idea of queuing for something where you are unaware of the clearing price when you get to the end of the queue. But at a high level, I would rather the "artist" made this money than the fella with the sheepskin coat.
i think the secondary market has to be clamped down, but on pricing i'mmore with paul heaton than oasis:-
i vote wwz! while you're nationalising oasis, could you also nationalise and protect those small venues?
just checked; i paid £6 for oasis at the duchess of york in '94, so £5 might be unrealistic!
I may be being very cynical here, but I think that supply and demand might mean that the government end up subsidising these local concerts when just a handful of people turn up. I am going to assume that the reason anyone wants one of these tickets is to say "I was there, look at me" on TikTok. If everyone gets to see them, by the time they have got to Leigh on Solent, no-one will want the kudos. it is not as if they are buying the tickets to listen to Oasis "perform"
I may be being very cynical here, but I think that supply and demand might mean that the government end up subsidising these local concerts when just a handful of people turn up. I am going to assume that the reason anyone wants one of these tickets is to say "I was there, look at me" on TikTok. If everyone gets to see them, by the time they have got to Leigh on Solent, no-one will want the kudos. it is not as if they are buying the tickets to listen to Oasis "perform"
Blur are far superior after all
if you give wwz a big enough mandate, he'll be able to nationalise blur too.
may be able to get them on the same bill if oasis are struggling to sell out the venues on their own... some good music and a bit of pantomime drama thrown in!
if you give wwz a big enough mandate, he'll be able to nationalise blur too.
may be able to get them on the same bill if oasis are struggling to sell out the venues on their own... some good music and a bit of pantomime drama thrown in!
if you give wwz a big enough mandate, he'll be able to nationalise blur too.
may be able to get them on the same bill if oasis are struggling to sell out the venues on their own... some good music and a bit of pantomime drama thrown in!
I've never seen Radiohead so I would be all for nationalising them, but rather than sending them round small venue I would put them on the back of a flat bed truck and have them performing during lunchtimes at workplaces, with free flat whites and Paterson's shortbread fingers for all attendees.
I've never seen Radiohead so I would be all for nationalising them, but rather than sending them round small venue I would put them on the back of a flat bed truck and have them performing during lunchtimes at workplaces, with free flat whites and Paterson's shortbread fingers for all attendees.
I would be up for that but I suspect productivity in the afternoon might suffer in all but the creative industries
Of course that could be linked to the government’s new four day week - joined up policies for a happier Britain
Having given Kylie some thought (...) my nationalisation agenda in that respect would be to form a troupe, akin to children's entertainers, where she and other similar performers (Girls Alound, Sonia, Robbie Williams) can be booked for parties but not necessarily children's parties. They would not have to put on a big show, just three or four of their biggest hits and they're done.
So imagine, if you will, that there is a general election about to take place. Kylie is booked for the evening before the election to host the Reform Party bash. She sings 'I Should Be So Lucky', does 'The Locomotion' and a couple of others, there's free beer and gammon with chips. Then a lock in is declared and it lasts until the polls close the next day.
My proposals for funding bogus candidates to split the opposition vote is forthcoming.
You are trying to assimilate greedy bastard extortion with capitalism.
It's all a bit ignorant IMHO.
Yes, late stages capitalism is ignorant to the cares of integral footy fans. Clubs are increasingly big businesses run to maximise profit and power. Its nice to think that capitalism is now like owning a home and having your own business.... the 1970s wants you back. You could have that in a far more socialist minded society. They'd have real footy clubs in that utopia, promise. Capitalism is evidently about capitalists investing to make profit. They compete against other capitalists. They measure their success by how much capital they control, and dont give a fu k for you or I. Watch the capitalist world hand over all the decisions to the algorithm very soon. Computer says no.
Remember when Collymore dynamically kicked Ulrika all round that bar in Paris?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Free market innit. The Gallagher brothers have created huge demand and exploited it for every penny.
Capitalism in all its glory.
I think listing tickets at £135 and selling them for x3 leaves a foul taste in the mouth, but not sure it's any different from a hotel or airline sticking it's prices up at times of high demand.
If someone offers something at a price and you agree, changing the price is breach of contract isn't it ?
If dynamic pricing by Ticketmaster is lawful then why isn't dynamic pricing by touts looked at as the same.
If this sort of thing becomes the norm then we are all screwed.
It's the thin edge of the fecking wedge baby, we cannot stand for this - and I'm deadly serious.
This isn't just about Oasis tickets or Valencia tickets or whatever. The big guns are trying to push something through here, can't you see it??????????
As resources and free access to 'nice things' dwindles, how long before essentials such as energy, food, housing etc become subject to the same dynamic pricing process I wonder - society is fecked
As resources and free access to 'nice things' dwindles, how long before essentials such as energy, food, housing etc become subject to the same dynamic pricing process I wonder - society is fecked
That's why I am proposing to nationalise Ivan Toney, every Premier League team will get him in their squad for a couple of games this season. He's starting for us at Brighton.
And if anyone says that against EFL rules, they are answerable to FIFA and I am nationalising FIFA. OK, FIFA is based in Switzerland but I reckon we have the military muscle for a successful invasion...
I think people tend to accept it with airlines because you can get a good deal if you're smart about it. You can get cheap seats with a bit of planning and shopping about.
Whereas with concerts and football I imagine it'd only ever go up.
I think people tend to accept it with airlines because you can get a good deal if you're smart about it. You can get cheap seats with a bit of planning and shopping about.
Whereas with concerts and football I imagine it'd only ever go up.
Although to get a good deal you sometimes end up flying to an airport forty miles away from the destination. So you would have to bring a comparison relevant to football into play here, say you thought you had bought a ticket to watch a McKenna team at Portman Road but found yourself watching a lower level game at Carrot Road...
If someone offers something at a price and you agree, changing the price is breach of contract isn't it ?
( A level Law - E )
Don't think logging onto a system and joining a queue is a sale/contract. Get to the point where you pay and the higher price is clear and you can opt out.
If at that point it was changed am sure that would be dodgy but it's changed before you actually pay.
What they have done is built up massive interest/demand and exploited it for every penny.
Not really sure what can be done about it to tbh. If you banned dynamic pricing then the whole travel/insurance industry would be up in arms. Not to say they shouldn't try but am struggling to see a solution.
Don't think logging onto a system and joining a queue is a sale/contract. Get to the point where you pay and the higher price is clear and you can opt out.
If at that point it was changed am sure that would be dodgy but it's changed before you actually pay.
What they have done is built up massive interest/demand and exploited it for every penny.
Not really sure what can be done about it to tbh. If you banned dynamic pricing then the whole travel/insurance industry would be up in arms. Not to say they shouldn't try but am struggling to see a solution.
But if someone like TicketMaster have a near monopoly of a product or service, or there is an obvious oligopoly, then a Monopolies Commission type of Government supervision would surely be reasonable ?
Don't think logging onto a system and joining a queue is a sale/contract. Get to the point where you pay and the higher price is clear and you can opt out.
If at that point it was changed am sure that would be dodgy but it's changed before you actually pay.
What they have done is built up massive interest/demand and exploited it for every penny.
Not really sure what can be done about it to tbh. If you banned dynamic pricing then the whole travel/insurance industry would be up in arms. Not to say they shouldn't try but am struggling to see a solution.
My understanding was that you see a price, you click pay / yes, then as you progress through the website the price changes.
If that's not it, where in the process does the price go up ?
Football is absolutely ripe for this, imagine what they could charge when demand far outstrips demand for a European or playoff final?
Or for Season tickets?
On the flip side this is exactly the type of thing you'd hope the proposed football regulator would be all over, standing up for supporter interests.
The way the top clubs tried to jump ship to a European super league suggests many clubs will prioritise profits over the fans, so defo one for supporters to be watching out for and opposing if/when it is proposed.
Would be great for Norwich they could take there sister to game for 10p
My understanding was that you see a price, you click pay / yes, then as you progress through the website the price changes.
If that's not it, where in the process does the price go up ?
You're held in a queue before the sales go live
The amount of people in the queue will dictate the price. More people = higher price
So you wait for ages to get to the front of the queue before finding out that tickets for 2 gobby Manchester bros are actually £400 each and you've wasted hours so feel more compelled to buy
The issue is really with creating a holding queue where the demand is assessed. Just have everyone log on at the same time and have a clear price on display before hand
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