| Labour Party conference 08:21 - Sep 25 with 4258 views | onceablue |
That didn’t go well
It’s happened again - Party in opposition differs to the Party that then wins election
Labour bleated on for years about the immigration problem
They get in power realise they have no idea how to solve it so don’t mention it again.
They will raid peoples pensions over the next few years particularly those with private pensions. They do not want 60 + earning more than the average person from pensions. I have worked my nuts off all my life to ensure I can have a decent retirement supporting the Children etc and Mr Starmer in a very short time has decided that will not happen
I think if there was another election now I am not sure if Labour would win. Not sure any pensioners would vote for them. I know I wouldn’t |  | | |  |
| Labour Party conference on 08:25 - Sep 25 with 2949 views | DJR |
Sounds to me, given what you say, that you didn't vote for them this time either. |  | | |
| Labour Party conference on 08:33 - Sep 25 with 2888 views | redrickstuhaart |
You sound a bit obsessed about small boats and people who sound a bit foreign.
Why is that?
You know the numbers are tiny in the scheme of things, and there might be other more important stuff, right? | | | |
| Labour Party conference on 08:37 - Sep 25 with 2867 views | Plums |
You raise some interesting points. Can you point me towards the pensions raid information and the desire to reduce the income for retired people?
I think I've missed it. |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 08:42 - Sep 25 with 2821 views | homer_123 |
onceablue - I suspect you still vote Blue...... |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 08:42 - Sep 25 with 2817 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party conference on 08:33 - Sep 25 by redrickstuhaart |
You sound a bit obsessed about small boats and people who sound a bit foreign.
Why is that?
You know the numbers are tiny in the scheme of things, and there might be other more important stuff, right? |
Not obsessed with small boats but with the dishonesty of Politics.
The small boats is just an example of this.
Kier Starmer knew he could not solve this problem but claimed he would.
Kier Starmer knew he was going to cut the Winter Fuel allowance before he got elected.
Politicians basically lie to get into power and that frustrates the hell out of me. | | | |
| Labour Party conference on 08:43 - Sep 25 with 2797 views | DJR |
If by raiding pensions you mean cutting back on tax relief on pension pots, the Tories have spent the better part of their time in office doing just that. Indeed, they recently rowed back on some of this because it was making doctors retire much earlier.
https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/reforms-promise-end-of-pension-tax-trap- [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 8:47]
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| Labour Party conference on 08:55 - Sep 25 with 2728 views | Guthrum |
So you're saying that pensioners, having lived through one of the most lucrative periods in British history (absence of major wars, high earnings, ease of borrowing to own property, protected and non-means-tested state pensions, etc.) arer not now prepared to help their country in difficult times?
The country where their children and grandchildren will be living? |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 09:11 - Sep 25 with 2649 views | Blueschev |
It's a strange coincidence that those most angry about the winter fuel allowance have worked harder than anyone else all of their lives, at least according to them. They also hate Labour, despite the fact it was Labour who introduced it in the first place. [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 9:12]
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| Labour Party conference on 09:16 - Sep 25 with 2600 views | DJR |
| Labour Party conference on 08:42 - Sep 25 by onceablue |
Not obsessed with small boats but with the dishonesty of Politics.
The small boats is just an example of this.
Kier Starmer knew he could not solve this problem but claimed he would.
Kier Starmer knew he was going to cut the Winter Fuel allowance before he got elected.
Politicians basically lie to get into power and that frustrates the hell out of me. |
To give you your due, it is certainly the case that Rachel Reeves has had winter fuel payments in her sights for at least a decade.
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| Labour Party conference on 09:17 - Sep 25 with 2584 views | soupytwist |
| Labour Party conference on 09:11 - Sep 25 by Blueschev |
It's a strange coincidence that those most angry about the winter fuel allowance have worked harder than anyone else all of their lives, at least according to them. They also hate Labour, despite the fact it was Labour who introduced it in the first place. [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 9:12]
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You'd think that the situation where they've worked hard all their lives but still need a handout to afford their heating bills would make them more angry. |  | | |
| Labour Party conference on 09:18 - Sep 25 with 2574 views | giant_stow |
| Labour Party conference on 08:55 - Sep 25 by Guthrum |
So you're saying that pensioners, having lived through one of the most lucrative periods in British history (absence of major wars, high earnings, ease of borrowing to own property, protected and non-means-tested state pensions, etc.) arer not now prepared to help their country in difficult times?
The country where their children and grandchildren will be living? |
Well said. On top of all that, wealthy pensioners don't live in a bubble - they depend on and are part of the rest of society functioning well, just like everyone else. If that society frays, they suffer, so it's in their interest to support it. |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 09:21 - Sep 25 with 2539 views | Plums |
| Labour Party conference on 09:17 - Sep 25 by soupytwist |
You'd think that the situation where they've worked hard all their lives but still need a handout to afford their heating bills would make them more angry. |
That is an excellent point.
There are also nearly a million of them who aren't even claiming the benefits they are entitled to which is mystifyng if things are so hard. | |
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| Labour Party conference on 09:22 - Sep 25 with 2535 views | Basuco |
The last Government took £170 per year from pensioners by taking away the free TV licence, also the previous government finished the agreement to return illegal immigrants to France / Europe as they did not see why it was important, it is not a 5 min solution to fix the problem of no legal immigration routes to the UK and no easy methods of returning them should they be deemed of no value to the UK. More boats are coming across the Channel now as they know we cannot turn them back straight away.
Maybe you should arrange to be paid via an offshore tax haven, apply for non dom status, get a US permeant resident card so pay no UK income tax, or just don't pay tax and negotiate a fine smaller than your tax bill. These methods were very popular with the last Government. |  | | |
| Labour Party conference on 09:26 - Sep 25 with 2509 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party conference on 08:55 - Sep 25 by Guthrum |
So you're saying that pensioners, having lived through one of the most lucrative periods in British history (absence of major wars, high earnings, ease of borrowing to own property, protected and non-means-tested state pensions, etc.) arer not now prepared to help their country in difficult times?
The country where their children and grandchildren will be living? |
Don’t understand your point
Pensioners have been contributing to society all their lives paying tax and national insurance etc, I know I have
25,000 refugees have crossed the channel at a cost to the tax payer of nearly £1.4 billion pounds.
Cutting the Winter fuel tax saved the government £1.4 billion pounds
You do the maths
No one wants to have a honest conversation these days I am more than happy for this government to try and help the refugees of the world but they have to be honest to the British public.
I would happily pay a bit more tax to pay for the more vulnerable people in society but be honest about it. | | | |
| Labour Party conference on 09:31 - Sep 25 with 2458 views | DanTheMan |
| Labour Party conference on 09:26 - Sep 25 by onceablue |
Don’t understand your point
Pensioners have been contributing to society all their lives paying tax and national insurance etc, I know I have
25,000 refugees have crossed the channel at a cost to the tax payer of nearly £1.4 billion pounds.
Cutting the Winter fuel tax saved the government £1.4 billion pounds
You do the maths
No one wants to have a honest conversation these days I am more than happy for this government to try and help the refugees of the world but they have to be honest to the British public.
I would happily pay a bit more tax to pay for the more vulnerable people in society but be honest about it. |
You realise that the cost of asylum seekers is taken out of the foreign aid budget, right?
That money wouldn't be available to spend on pensioners either way. |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 09:32 - Sep 25 with 2469 views | BlueBadger |
Surely the generation that spends a significant amount of time on social media(and indeed, other media) telling younger people how soft they are because they have it easier nowadays could demonstrate some of their much vaunted grit, tighten their belts, buy fewer Werther's Originals and Saga tours, put on an extra jumper when it gets cold and set an example to us entitled Gen X-ers, Millennials and Zoomers? [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 9:41]
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| Labour Party conference on 09:33 - Sep 25 with 2413 views | Basuco |
| Labour Party conference on 09:26 - Sep 25 by onceablue |
Don’t understand your point
Pensioners have been contributing to society all their lives paying tax and national insurance etc, I know I have
25,000 refugees have crossed the channel at a cost to the tax payer of nearly £1.4 billion pounds.
Cutting the Winter fuel tax saved the government £1.4 billion pounds
You do the maths
No one wants to have a honest conversation these days I am more than happy for this government to try and help the refugees of the world but they have to be honest to the British public.
I would happily pay a bit more tax to pay for the more vulnerable people in society but be honest about it. |
As I understand it the point is, is it right that after contributing all your working life you get a state pension of less than £12K per annum? Which if you don't own your property doesn't cover the rent for many, let alone allow you to eat and pay other household bills. | | | |
| Labour Party conference on 09:41 - Sep 25 with 2358 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour Party conference on 09:32 - Sep 25 by BlueBadger |
Surely the generation that spends a significant amount of time on social media(and indeed, other media) telling younger people how soft they are because they have it easier nowadays could demonstrate some of their much vaunted grit, tighten their belts, buy fewer Werther's Originals and Saga tours, put on an extra jumper when it gets cold and set an example to us entitled Gen X-ers, Millennials and Zoomers? [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 9:41]
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Didn't Phil warn us about personal attacks on other posters ? So I think you should just let Facters be and allow him to concentrate on his Caption Competition... |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 09:41 - Sep 25 with 2353 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party conference on 09:41 - Sep 25 by WeWereZombies |
Didn't Phil warn us about personal attacks on other posters ? So I think you should just let Facters be and allow him to concentrate on his Caption Competition... |
Facters is far too old to be a Boomer.
He's more a black death-er. [Post edited 25 Sep 2024 9:45]
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| Labour Party conference on 09:42 - Sep 25 with 2337 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Labour Party conference on 08:55 - Sep 25 by Guthrum |
So you're saying that pensioners, having lived through one of the most lucrative periods in British history (absence of major wars, high earnings, ease of borrowing to own property, protected and non-means-tested state pensions, etc.) arer not now prepared to help their country in difficult times?
The country where their children and grandchildren will be living? |
The thing to remember is the vast majority of those still working will at sometime in the future be pensioners.
I retired 13 years ago and no doubt have it easier than those retired recently. Thos retiring today are likely to have it easier than those due to retire in 13 years time.
Unfortunately not everyone plans for their retirement, some need more help than others.
Not personally convinced that we are in as difficult a position as Starmer/Reeves are portraying. Didn’t BoE recently say there was £10B extra cash available.
Tories were still blaming Labour for the mess left them five years after they were elected. At some point you have to take responsibility hopefully come the next election Labour will be able to seek re-election on the strength of their achievements.
So far there has been a lot of rhetoric but little substance.
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| Labour Party conference on 10:01 - Sep 25 with 2195 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party conference on 09:26 - Sep 25 by onceablue |
Don’t understand your point
Pensioners have been contributing to society all their lives paying tax and national insurance etc, I know I have
25,000 refugees have crossed the channel at a cost to the tax payer of nearly £1.4 billion pounds.
Cutting the Winter fuel tax saved the government £1.4 billion pounds
You do the maths
No one wants to have a honest conversation these days I am more than happy for this government to try and help the refugees of the world but they have to be honest to the British public.
I would happily pay a bit more tax to pay for the more vulnerable people in society but be honest about it. |
Labour Party conference by BlueBadger 25 Sep 2024 9:32Surely the generation that spends a significant amount of time on social media(and indeed, other media) telling younger people how soft they are because they have it easier nowadays could demonstrate some of their much vaunted grit, tighten their belts, buy fewer Werther's Originals and Saga tours, put on an extra jumper when it gets cold and set an example to us entitled Gen X-ers, Millennials and Zoomers?
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| Labour Party conference on 10:04 - Sep 25 with 2182 views | Help |
| Labour Party conference on 08:42 - Sep 25 by onceablue |
Not obsessed with small boats but with the dishonesty of Politics.
The small boats is just an example of this.
Kier Starmer knew he could not solve this problem but claimed he would.
Kier Starmer knew he was going to cut the Winter Fuel allowance before he got elected.
Politicians basically lie to get into power and that frustrates the hell out of me. |
Ah so now labour are on power you are worried about dishonesty in politics.
Were you not worried for the last 14 years of Tory abuse of the system. Of voting in a cheat, a liar and a thief as leaders of the Tory party and prime minister.
Dishonesty in politics has been hand in hand for years. Cleaning it up would take a monumental effort that I believe labour may try to do. I hope they are successful. Because I saw nothing from the Tories to clean themselves up during the last 14 years |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 10:07 - Sep 25 with 2150 views | Guthrum |
| Labour Party conference on 09:42 - Sep 25 by Pinewoodblue |
The thing to remember is the vast majority of those still working will at sometime in the future be pensioners.
I retired 13 years ago and no doubt have it easier than those retired recently. Thos retiring today are likely to have it easier than those due to retire in 13 years time.
Unfortunately not everyone plans for their retirement, some need more help than others.
Not personally convinced that we are in as difficult a position as Starmer/Reeves are portraying. Didn’t BoE recently say there was £10B extra cash available.
Tories were still blaming Labour for the mess left them five years after they were elected. At some point you have to take responsibility hopefully come the next election Labour will be able to seek re-election on the strength of their achievements.
So far there has been a lot of rhetoric but little substance.
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I think there's a lot of under-promising going on, to allow the budget to be less draconian than expected.
However, I also believe that things are not particularly rosy, with challenges to government revenue and long-term inflation having increased expenses. | |
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| Labour Party conference on 10:10 - Sep 25 with 2107 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour Party conference on 10:07 - Sep 25 by Guthrum |
I think there's a lot of under-promising going on, to allow the budget to be less draconian than expected.
However, I also believe that things are not particularly rosy, with challenges to government revenue and long-term inflation having increased expenses. |
i agree. there isn't much to be said until the budget. it is now a huge event politically and only then will the real approach of the government be seen. it's all smoke and mirrors until then. |  |
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| Labour Party conference on 10:12 - Sep 25 with 2060 views | Benters |
I like your style.
We will all die one day,so treat everyday like it’s your last and take a chill pill or something 😳 |  |
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