| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing 10:29 - Sep 26 with 8140 views | FrimleyBlue |
I mentioned recently his aerial ability over Wolfys and the below has shown it is a very important aspect of his game and one of the biggest reasons he's in the side.
We allow a lot of crosses to come into our box, plus we do concede a fair amount of set pieces from corners to freekicks so I can see why KM does find that an important attribute.
2023/24 season, Wolfy according to footy stats was in the top 71% of winning aerial duals compared to O'Shea's 98% [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 10:39]
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:33 - Sep 26 with 4883 views | BasingstokeBlue |
Wolves? |  |
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:36 - Sep 26 with 4869 views | homer_123 |
During the week, he trains heading against packs of Wolves. |  |
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:38 - Sep 26 with 4844 views | BarcaBlue |
O'Shea has played 2 matches, statistically you can't compare that to Woolfy's complete season. And where do Wolves come into it? |  | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:40 - Sep 26 with 4816 views | FrimleyBlue |
soz, auto correct | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:40 - Sep 26 with 4800 views | BarcaBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:36 - Sep 26 by homer_123 |
During the week, he trains heading against packs of Wolves. |
Surely Woolfie won't play against Wolves, he's one of their own. | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:41 - Sep 26 with 4767 views | pointofblue |
And when I see him put in a better performance than what Woolfenden has managed this season I might start to accept the change a bit more. Whilst I can't disagree that a lot of data indicates O'Shea should be ahead of him in the pecking order it hasn't come about yet and, unlike Luongo, Chaplin and (albeit due to a Carabao Cup game) Burgess, Woolfenden hardly looked like he was struggling.
O'Shea will no doubt play on Sunday. For our sake, let's hope for a great performance. |  |
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:43 - Sep 26 with 4752 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:38 - Sep 26 by BarcaBlue |
O'Shea has played 2 matches, statistically you can't compare that to Woolfy's complete season. And where do Wolves come into it? |
Depends what you're open to seeing tbh
I've shared their figures for 2023/2024 which BTW O shea was in the prem for
and this season Wolfy's played 3 games to O shea's two and according to footy stats, wolfy's won 2 aerial duals to O'Shea's 8. | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:48 - Sep 26 with 4681 views | WeWereZombies |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:36 - Sep 26 by homer_123 |
During the week, he trains heading against packs of Wolves. |
That's just lupus
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:54 - Sep 26 with 4648 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:41 - Sep 26 by pointofblue |
And when I see him put in a better performance than what Woolfenden has managed this season I might start to accept the change a bit more. Whilst I can't disagree that a lot of data indicates O'Shea should be ahead of him in the pecking order it hasn't come about yet and, unlike Luongo, Chaplin and (albeit due to a Carabao Cup game) Burgess, Woolfenden hardly looked like he was struggling.
O'Shea will no doubt play on Sunday. For our sake, let's hope for a great performance. |
But it has come about as these stats show, he might not pass the ball how you want him to, but he's done exactly what he was brought in to do.
Who knows how those games could have gone without him winning those aerial battles.
Just think personally people are watching him with the wrong focus. | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:05 - Sep 26 with 4558 views | sjg |
I watch football with my eyes, not with stats. It's a dying art | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:08 - Sep 26 with 4535 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:05 - Sep 26 by sjg |
I watch football with my eyes, not with stats. It's a dying art |
That's good then, you would have seen his excellent aerial abilities | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:15 - Sep 26 with 4487 views | sjg |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:08 - Sep 26 by FrimleyBlue |
That's good then, you would have seen his excellent aerial abilities |
Yep, along with his inability to move the ball up the pitch and to stick with a runner | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:16 - Sep 26 with 4476 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:05 - Sep 26 by sjg |
I watch football with my eyes, not with stats. It's a dying art |
The two most successful clubs at integrating from the Championship to the PL and getting value in the transfer market have been Brentford/Brighton who are hugely stats driven. The former were keen on O'Shea too. Sometimes the eye doesn't tell the full story. | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:22 - Sep 26 with 4381 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:15 - Sep 26 by sjg |
Yep, along with his inability to move the ball up the pitch and to stick with a runner |
Ah you must have missed his long diags to wide positions then to get the ball up the pitch, or is it because he doesn't move up the pitch himself you have an issue with?
Granted though he had some positional issues, i'll give you that as to be expected when playing with new team mates. Greaves had similar issues in first couple of games, left Davis unfortunately with a lot to deal with [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 11:24]
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:23 - Sep 26 with 4372 views | sjg |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:16 - Sep 26 by tractorboy1978 |
The two most successful clubs at integrating from the Championship to the PL and getting value in the transfer market have been Brentford/Brighton who are hugely stats driven. The former were keen on O'Shea too. Sometimes the eye doesn't tell the full story. |
Brentford broke their transfer record last summer on a centre back, Nathan Collins. He was crap all season. For some positions data works, for others the eye test is better.
Maldini said if I have to make a tackle I’ve already made a mistake. So much good defending doesn’t result in a ‘duel’ or a tackle, and as such it’s one of the worst positions to use data on. | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:23 - Sep 26 with 4359 views | sjg |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:22 - Sep 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Ah you must have missed his long diags to wide positions then to get the ball up the pitch, or is it because he doesn't move up the pitch himself you have an issue with?
Granted though he had some positional issues, i'll give you that as to be expected when playing with new team mates. Greaves had similar issues in first couple of games, left Davis unfortunately with a lot to deal with [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 11:24]
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Loved the long diag in injury time to the bloke in the stands, great ping | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:26 - Sep 26 with 4308 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:23 - Sep 26 by sjg |
Brentford broke their transfer record last summer on a centre back, Nathan Collins. He was crap all season. For some positions data works, for others the eye test is better.
Maldini said if I have to make a tackle I’ve already made a mistake. So much good defending doesn’t result in a ‘duel’ or a tackle, and as such it’s one of the worst positions to use data on. |
Not bad being crap but getting 32 games in the prem. | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:27 - Sep 26 with 4282 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:23 - Sep 26 by sjg |
Loved the long diag in injury time to the bloke in the stands, great ping |
Yeah reminded me of the Greaves one that hit the other bloke earlier in the game. | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:30 - Sep 26 with 4229 views | sjg |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:27 - Sep 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah reminded me of the Greaves one that hit the other bloke earlier in the game. |
Is Greaves the new Burns? Why are you talking about him | | | |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:32 - Sep 26 with 4185 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:30 - Sep 26 by sjg |
Is Greaves the new Burns? Why are you talking about him |
I love Greaves, he was playing next to O Shea and also pinged one into the stands, so just thought if youre gonna remember a ping then you shouldn't really forget one from someone else.
[Post edited 26 Sep 2024 11:34]
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:39 - Sep 26 with 4128 views | itfcjoe |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:16 - Sep 26 by tractorboy1978 |
The two most successful clubs at integrating from the Championship to the PL and getting value in the transfer market have been Brentford/Brighton who are hugely stats driven. The former were keen on O'Shea too. Sometimes the eye doesn't tell the full story. |
I thought O'Shea was really good at Brighton, but we didn't defend well on Saturday.
But ultimately, McKenna has deemed it necessary to spend £12m on him, and that's not to sit on the bench
You won't find a bigger Woolfenden fan than me, but it's fairly obvious he is going to be seen as the back up for O'Shea and only way we see a lot of him and he gets hold of the shirt is if O'Shea has to be dropped because of errors, or picks up a long term injury and Woolfie gets in and excels.
He looked up to it in his first 3 games in the PL, but McKenna obviously knows what he wants and that was an upgrade rather than let him see if he could cope at this level before looking to upgrade
EDIT - I said at start of summer for me the only nailed on starters for this season would be Leif Davis, Sam Morsy and Omari Hutchinson which looks the case. Axel has done very well, and Burns getting good game time but the rest of lthe previous 2 years heroes will be squad players.
We need to see Cam Burgess get some PL mminutes as he deserves them [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 11:40]
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:54 - Sep 26 with 3985 views | pointofblue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:39 - Sep 26 by itfcjoe |
I thought O'Shea was really good at Brighton, but we didn't defend well on Saturday.
But ultimately, McKenna has deemed it necessary to spend £12m on him, and that's not to sit on the bench
You won't find a bigger Woolfenden fan than me, but it's fairly obvious he is going to be seen as the back up for O'Shea and only way we see a lot of him and he gets hold of the shirt is if O'Shea has to be dropped because of errors, or picks up a long term injury and Woolfie gets in and excels.
He looked up to it in his first 3 games in the PL, but McKenna obviously knows what he wants and that was an upgrade rather than let him see if he could cope at this level before looking to upgrade
EDIT - I said at start of summer for me the only nailed on starters for this season would be Leif Davis, Sam Morsy and Omari Hutchinson which looks the case. Axel has done very well, and Burns getting good game time but the rest of lthe previous 2 years heroes will be squad players.
We need to see Cam Burgess get some PL mminutes as he deserves them [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 11:40]
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Agree though, with the final paragraph, he didn't exactly take his claim at Wimbledon. Albeit that was obviously just one game. | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:56 - Sep 26 with 3974 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:39 - Sep 26 by itfcjoe |
I thought O'Shea was really good at Brighton, but we didn't defend well on Saturday.
But ultimately, McKenna has deemed it necessary to spend £12m on him, and that's not to sit on the bench
You won't find a bigger Woolfenden fan than me, but it's fairly obvious he is going to be seen as the back up for O'Shea and only way we see a lot of him and he gets hold of the shirt is if O'Shea has to be dropped because of errors, or picks up a long term injury and Woolfie gets in and excels.
He looked up to it in his first 3 games in the PL, but McKenna obviously knows what he wants and that was an upgrade rather than let him see if he could cope at this level before looking to upgrade
EDIT - I said at start of summer for me the only nailed on starters for this season would be Leif Davis, Sam Morsy and Omari Hutchinson which looks the case. Axel has done very well, and Burns getting good game time but the rest of lthe previous 2 years heroes will be squad players.
We need to see Cam Burgess get some PL mminutes as he deserves them [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 11:40]
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I just find the expectation of O'shea walking in and showing that he's twice the player of wolfy immediately quite baffling.
Wolfy had a solid few games, its not a suprise, he had a pre season and pre season games with minutes alongside Greaves.
O'Shea joined back end of August, international break, minimal training and game time, comes in and playing with new teammates.
I don't really see what people were expecting, O Shea to wait until next season before he gets picked? | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 12:04 - Sep 26 with 3890 views | homer_123 |
| The O'Shea v Wolfy thing on 11:56 - Sep 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I just find the expectation of O'shea walking in and showing that he's twice the player of wolfy immediately quite baffling.
Wolfy had a solid few games, its not a suprise, he had a pre season and pre season games with minutes alongside Greaves.
O'Shea joined back end of August, international break, minimal training and game time, comes in and playing with new teammates.
I don't really see what people were expecting, O Shea to wait until next season before he gets picked? |
That's not what people are discussing.
I don't think it is wholly wrong to assert that O'Shea has been nothing more than OK since coming in, he has some better attributes than Woolfy but also vice versa.
O'Shea is going to play, for now, as we have invested heavily on him. However, I think it is also correct to assert that, Woolfy is not far behind or even on the same level as O'Shea (depending on your viewpoint). | |
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| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 12:04 - Sep 26 with 3887 views | GeoffSentence |
| The O'Shea v Wolves thing on 10:43 - Sep 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends what you're open to seeing tbh
I've shared their figures for 2023/2024 which BTW O shea was in the prem for
and this season Wolfy's played 3 games to O shea's two and according to footy stats, wolfy's won 2 aerial duals to O'Shea's 8. |
What I see is that Woolfy played against Liverpool, Man City and Fulham, O'Shea had Brighton and Southampton. So not a straightforward comparison to make at this stage. |  |
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