| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:57 - Oct 2 with 1866 views | DJR |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:35 - Oct 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
We should probably reconsider our invasion of Normandy? |
I suppose things have never been the same between the two countries since we lost the Pale of Calais. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 9:58]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:01 - Oct 2 with 1820 views | GlasgowBlue |
At the weekend you were comparing the situation in the middle east to the troubles in Northern Ireland and you completely ignored my reply to you.
The 1982 Israel invasion and The Birth of Hezbollah by GlasgowBlue 29 Sep 2024 8:13Not a perfect analogy? Makes you think? It’s one of the most pathetic, simplistic and ill informed analogies anyone could make.
Imagine you have just posted one of your interesting and thought provoking posts on the climate change emergency , and some half wit replied “yeah but what about the summer of 1976? Hottest on record”. That’s your IRA analogy right there.
Yes, like Humana’s and Hezbollah, the IRA was a terrorist organisation. And yes, they committed multiple atrocities that took innocent lives during their campaign of violence. But they had a clear motive for what they did. It was an attempt to bring the British government to the negotiating table in ordered to achieve a united Ireland.
The IRA didn’t want to wipe Britain of the face of the map. The IRA didn’t want to eradicate every British person from the face of the earth. The IRA did not, in a single day, launch an invasion of mainland a Britain, raping, mutilating and slaughtering over 1200 innocent British men, women and children. Whilst taking another 200 hostage. Scottish nationalist terrorists did not, in solidarity with the IRA then launch over 9000 missiles at the north of England, killing many of the people living there and forcing the residents of Carlisle, Newcastle and Sunderland to leave their homes making the north of England uninhabitable. Welsh nationalist terrorists did not then join the conflict and launch missiles into the west of England. France, for want of a better example, did not fund, train and supply weapons to these Irish, Welsh and Scottish nationalists because the stated aim of the a French government was the eradication of the British state.
If people are going to comment on the current situation then they should at least take the time and trouble to understand who and what Hamas and Hezbollah are. They certainly wouldn’t come up with an analogy that a sixth form politics student would be ashamed of.
I suggest you take 90 minutes of your time to get on BBC iPlayer and watch Surviving October 7th: We Will Dance Again. It shows only a small part of the pogrom of October 7th, the attack on the Nova music festival, where 400 of the 1200 victims were murdered.
Please watch that and then tell me that this is in any way a compassion with the troubles in Northern Ireland.
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:10 - Oct 2 with 1772 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:49 - Oct 2 by Blueschev |
What were you saying the other day about being disingenuous? |
In September 2005, Israel's withdrew from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line, and the demolished four settlements.
In June 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:17 - Oct 2 with 1751 views | Blueschev |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:10 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
In September 2005, Israel's withdrew from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line, and the demolished four settlements.
In June 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority. |
According to International law Gaza remains under Israeli occupation, a fact of which I am almost certain you are already well aware. Removing 8000 illegal settlers in 2005 did not change this. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 10:22]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:27 - Oct 2 with 1699 views | Ryorry |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:42 - Oct 2 by baxterbasics |
If we're reduced to labelling any nation "the baddies" here:
Iran is pumping money and weapons into Hamas, Hezboll0ck and the Houthis, all to wage proxy aggression against the Jewish state and any others they want driven into the sea.
Now Israel has seriously degraded two of these groups, Iran has to resort to some direct action.
Iran is responsible for this chaos. They are the baddies. They don't care about what it means for regular folk in Gaza or Lebanon who just want to be left alone.
WW3? Unlikely. China and Russia would have to care enough to get involved. A regional war is bad enough - brace yourselves for economic turmoil, rocketing oil prices, shrinking pension funds. |
You forgot wild card North Korea …😱 |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:46 - Oct 2 with 1633 views | NthQldITFC |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:19 - Oct 2 by lowhouseblue |
the tweet you posted asked 'does lebanon have a right to defend itself?' so it sounds as if the tweeter you favoured thinks they are. |
Ah, I see, sorry. Good point. But I was posting it for the graphics which illustrate the massive imbalance in violence applied to human beings.
Whilst Hezbollah are clearly an Iranian proxy, they are also acting as allies to a long-term dispossessed, oppressed and outgunned Palestinian people (and that's putting it mildly). It's a muddy old field when it comes to justifications and the relevance of distance in the time-line, but the hard stats of comparative kill rates and rubble creation in 2024 (and back a generation or two) are pretty clear. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:55 - Oct 2 with 1594 views | giant_stow |
Just on a point of fact, has anyone seen a reliable update on the damage caused by last night's missile attack?
Lots of the videos supposedly from Israel seemed to show stuff crashing on the ground, but I'm reading no one was hurt / not much damaged. The Iranians seem to be saying they attacked 3 airbases and that their attacks were successful. I know all sides lie about these things though, so just wondering what the real outcome was... |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:55 - Oct 2 with 1594 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 23:41 - Oct 1 by mutters |
I am not sure Iran is behind Israels attacks on Lebanon or Gaza. Be an interesting plot twist if they were |
Iran is funding Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthi. Encouraging them to attack the "West".
It is the stated intention of the Tehran government to bring down the governments it does not like.
Yes, that includes us.
Israel is merely their first port of call.
It was behind the unprovoked 7th October attacks on Israel. It has been funding the nearly constant attacks raining in over the Lebanon border into Israel. |  | | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:59 - Oct 2 with 1565 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:46 - Oct 2 by NthQldITFC |
Ah, I see, sorry. Good point. But I was posting it for the graphics which illustrate the massive imbalance in violence applied to human beings.
Whilst Hezbollah are clearly an Iranian proxy, they are also acting as allies to a long-term dispossessed, oppressed and outgunned Palestinian people (and that's putting it mildly). It's a muddy old field when it comes to justifications and the relevance of distance in the time-line, but the hard stats of comparative kill rates and rubble creation in 2024 (and back a generation or two) are pretty clear. |
They’ve killed and starved thousands of Muslims in Syria - laughable that people would think they are showing solidarity with Palestinians, rather than fighting for their own and Iran’s interests-
“Human Rights Watch’s research found that on a number of occasions Hezbollah unjustifiably endangered Lebanese civilians by storing weapons in civilian homes, firing rockets from populated areas, and allowing its fighters to operate from civilian homes. Hezbollah also used children as active combatants, another violation of the law.” |  | | |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:07 - Oct 2 with 1529 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:55 - Oct 2 by giant_stow |
Just on a point of fact, has anyone seen a reliable update on the damage caused by last night's missile attack?
Lots of the videos supposedly from Israel seemed to show stuff crashing on the ground, but I'm reading no one was hurt / not much damaged. The Iranians seem to be saying they attacked 3 airbases and that their attacks were successful. I know all sides lie about these things though, so just wondering what the real outcome was... |
One dead sadly. A Palestinian by all accounts. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:09 - Oct 2 with 1534 views | NthQldITFC |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:01 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
At the weekend you were comparing the situation in the middle east to the troubles in Northern Ireland and you completely ignored my reply to you.
The 1982 Israel invasion and The Birth of Hezbollah by GlasgowBlue 29 Sep 2024 8:13Not a perfect analogy? Makes you think? It’s one of the most pathetic, simplistic and ill informed analogies anyone could make.
Imagine you have just posted one of your interesting and thought provoking posts on the climate change emergency , and some half wit replied “yeah but what about the summer of 1976? Hottest on record”. That’s your IRA analogy right there.
Yes, like Humana’s and Hezbollah, the IRA was a terrorist organisation. And yes, they committed multiple atrocities that took innocent lives during their campaign of violence. But they had a clear motive for what they did. It was an attempt to bring the British government to the negotiating table in ordered to achieve a united Ireland.
The IRA didn’t want to wipe Britain of the face of the map. The IRA didn’t want to eradicate every British person from the face of the earth. The IRA did not, in a single day, launch an invasion of mainland a Britain, raping, mutilating and slaughtering over 1200 innocent British men, women and children. Whilst taking another 200 hostage. Scottish nationalist terrorists did not, in solidarity with the IRA then launch over 9000 missiles at the north of England, killing many of the people living there and forcing the residents of Carlisle, Newcastle and Sunderland to leave their homes making the north of England uninhabitable. Welsh nationalist terrorists did not then join the conflict and launch missiles into the west of England. France, for want of a better example, did not fund, train and supply weapons to these Irish, Welsh and Scottish nationalists because the stated aim of the a French government was the eradication of the British state.
If people are going to comment on the current situation then they should at least take the time and trouble to understand who and what Hamas and Hezbollah are. They certainly wouldn’t come up with an analogy that a sixth form politics student would be ashamed of.
I suggest you take 90 minutes of your time to get on BBC iPlayer and watch Surviving October 7th: We Will Dance Again. It shows only a small part of the pogrom of October 7th, the attack on the Nova music festival, where 400 of the 1200 victims were murdered.
Please watch that and then tell me that this is in any way a compassion with the troubles in Northern Ireland.
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Apologies, I didn't see your reply at the time.
In response now, I have to say I take a lot of your points. There are perhaps some parallels (IRA leadership in Eire launching attacks on the mainland), but you're right it's a lazy and poor analogy. I did kind of allude to that in my quick post, but I can see why you took it that way. Apologies. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:18 - Oct 2 with 1513 views | NthQldITFC |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:59 - Oct 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
They’ve killed and starved thousands of Muslims in Syria - laughable that people would think they are showing solidarity with Palestinians, rather than fighting for their own and Iran’s interests-
“Human Rights Watch’s research found that on a number of occasions Hezbollah unjustifiably endangered Lebanese civilians by storing weapons in civilian homes, firing rockets from populated areas, and allowing its fighters to operate from civilian homes. Hezbollah also used children as active combatants, another violation of the law.” |
Is it not possible that they are doing both? Whether that's the leadership and their political aims or the fighters on the ground? Are you telling me that the plight of the Palestinian people doesn't come into it at all for them? | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:24 - Oct 2 with 1490 views | DJR |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:07 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
One dead sadly. A Palestinian by all accounts. |
Reports suggest that those that got through tended to hit open ground.
Whether this was a lucky escape, or the Dome is that sophisticated, I don't know.
This caused more casualties yesterday but rather got overshadowed.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-jaffa-shooting-eight-killed-33
EDIT: The Telegraph is reporting this which suggests damage from shrapnel.
In the city of Hod Hasharon, a suburb of Tel Aviv, some 100 homes were damaged, with a number of homes seriously damaged and dozens more suffering light damage in Iran’s missile attack on Tuesday evening.
The municipality said that the damage was incurred from shrapnel and the shock waves set off by falling shrapnel fragments.
FURTHER EDIT: the Times of Israel is reporting that the Palestinian died from shrapnel.
[Post edited 2 Oct 2024 11:40]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:44 - Oct 2 with 1434 views | noggin |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:38 - Oct 2 by mutters |
You missed the point of my message, it would be one heck of a plot twist if Iran was sponsoring Israel's offence into Lebanon.
However, let's not draw the line at 8th October. We both know that this conflict has been going on for decades and that both sides have faults— Israel's continual encroachment into the land that isn't theirs, and Hezbollah's terrorism, just a couple.... it's sadly a never-ending cycle. What about Israel's displacement of all the Gazans? Is that ok in your eyes?
It's an incredibly sad situation over there, innocent people on both sides are being affected. |
Over 16000 children killed in Gaza since October 7th. That is a horrific statistic, considering Israel say they can target anyone, anywhere. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 12:15 - Oct 2 with 1341 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:09 - Oct 2 by NthQldITFC |
Apologies, I didn't see your reply at the time.
In response now, I have to say I take a lot of your points. There are perhaps some parallels (IRA leadership in Eire launching attacks on the mainland), but you're right it's a lazy and poor analogy. I did kind of allude to that in my quick post, but I can see why you took it that way. Apologies. |
No problem. Thanks for replying. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 20:15 - Oct 2 with 1097 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 10:01 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
At the weekend you were comparing the situation in the middle east to the troubles in Northern Ireland and you completely ignored my reply to you.
The 1982 Israel invasion and The Birth of Hezbollah by GlasgowBlue 29 Sep 2024 8:13Not a perfect analogy? Makes you think? It’s one of the most pathetic, simplistic and ill informed analogies anyone could make.
Imagine you have just posted one of your interesting and thought provoking posts on the climate change emergency , and some half wit replied “yeah but what about the summer of 1976? Hottest on record”. That’s your IRA analogy right there.
Yes, like Humana’s and Hezbollah, the IRA was a terrorist organisation. And yes, they committed multiple atrocities that took innocent lives during their campaign of violence. But they had a clear motive for what they did. It was an attempt to bring the British government to the negotiating table in ordered to achieve a united Ireland.
The IRA didn’t want to wipe Britain of the face of the map. The IRA didn’t want to eradicate every British person from the face of the earth. The IRA did not, in a single day, launch an invasion of mainland a Britain, raping, mutilating and slaughtering over 1200 innocent British men, women and children. Whilst taking another 200 hostage. Scottish nationalist terrorists did not, in solidarity with the IRA then launch over 9000 missiles at the north of England, killing many of the people living there and forcing the residents of Carlisle, Newcastle and Sunderland to leave their homes making the north of England uninhabitable. Welsh nationalist terrorists did not then join the conflict and launch missiles into the west of England. France, for want of a better example, did not fund, train and supply weapons to these Irish, Welsh and Scottish nationalists because the stated aim of the a French government was the eradication of the British state.
If people are going to comment on the current situation then they should at least take the time and trouble to understand who and what Hamas and Hezbollah are. They certainly wouldn’t come up with an analogy that a sixth form politics student would be ashamed of.
I suggest you take 90 minutes of your time to get on BBC iPlayer and watch Surviving October 7th: We Will Dance Again. It shows only a small part of the pogrom of October 7th, the attack on the Nova music festival, where 400 of the 1200 victims were murdered.
Please watch that and then tell me that this is in any way a compassion with the troubles in Northern Ireland.
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Funnily enough somebody else has failed to answer questions on that thread too. Any guesses who. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 20:50 - Oct 2 with 1038 views | jayceee |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 11:44 - Oct 2 by noggin |
Over 16000 children killed in Gaza since October 7th. That is a horrific statistic, considering Israel say they can target anyone, anywhere. |
F* Netanyahu - he really would bring about WW3 than lose his position. And the support UK and US give him makes us complicit. |  | | |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 21:06 - Oct 2 with 1007 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 20:50 - Oct 2 by jayceee |
F* Netanyahu - he really would bring about WW3 than lose his position. And the support UK and US give him makes us complicit. |
Shouldn't you be aiming your anger in the direction of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei? | |
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