| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:31 - Oct 2 with 1993 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 06:54 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Iran-backed Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8 and and has fired 10,000 rockets since then.
Hezbollah's assault displaced 70,000 Israelis from their homes.
Israel finally responds to push Hezbollah away from the border.
Iran directly attacks Israel.
But it is Israel who are the aggressors. |
More importantly, and listen up people who bemoan civilian Palestinian deaths.....
Imagine the civilian carnage that Hezbollah would have been responsible for if it wasn't for Israels iron dome. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 7:50]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:34 - Oct 2 with 1981 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 06:09 - Oct 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I mean Iran are quite wicked, they triggered a war in Yemen which has killed over 130k people, and created the worst hunger crisis in the world putting 14m on the verge of starvation. They continue to arm, train, fund and provide intelligence to the Houthi’s enabling them to block food, aid and medicine. |
I haven't said they're not and you seem to have ignored the relevant part of my comment. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:38 - Oct 2 with 1952 views | mutters |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 06:54 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Iran-backed Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8 and and has fired 10,000 rockets since then.
Hezbollah's assault displaced 70,000 Israelis from their homes.
Israel finally responds to push Hezbollah away from the border.
Iran directly attacks Israel.
But it is Israel who are the aggressors. |
You missed the point of my message, it would be one heck of a plot twist if Iran was sponsoring Israel's offence into Lebanon.
However, let's not draw the line at 8th October. We both know that this conflict has been going on for decades and that both sides have faults— Israel's continual encroachment into the land that isn't theirs, and Hezbollah's terrorism, just a couple.... it's sadly a never-ending cycle. What about Israel's displacement of all the Gazans? Is that ok in your eyes?
It's an incredibly sad situation over there, innocent people on both sides are being affected. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:41 - Oct 2 with 1938 views | noggin |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:31 - Oct 2 by Lord_Lucan |
More importantly, and listen up people who bemoan civilian Palestinian deaths.....
Imagine the civilian carnage that Hezbollah would have been responsible for if it wasn't for Israels iron dome. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 7:50]
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"Imagine the civilian carnage that the Palestines would have been responsible for if it wasn't for Israels iron dome."
The Palestinians? |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:49 - Oct 2 with 1895 views | DJR |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 21:19 - Oct 1 by ArnoldMoorhen |
That was one of the songs on the BBC's banned lists during the two Gulf Wars. |
That is rather ironic given the song itself was inspired by the ban on Western music by Ayatollah Khomeini.
As it is, my suggestion that the song had taken on a new meaning was not the first time this had happened given this from Wikipedia.
The song was chosen by Armed Forces Radio to be the first song broadcast on the service covering the area during Operation Desert Storm. In one of the campfire scenes late in the 2007 documentary Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten, a friend states that Strummer wept when he heard that the phrase "Rock the Casbah" was written on an American bomb that was to be detonated on Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War. |  | | |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:51 - Oct 2 with 1881 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:41 - Oct 2 by noggin |
"Imagine the civilian carnage that the Palestines would have been responsible for if it wasn't for Israels iron dome."
The Palestinians? |
Hezbollah
Apologies. Mis typed.
Late for work.
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:58 - Oct 2 with 1839 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:38 - Oct 2 by mutters |
You missed the point of my message, it would be one heck of a plot twist if Iran was sponsoring Israel's offence into Lebanon.
However, let's not draw the line at 8th October. We both know that this conflict has been going on for decades and that both sides have faults— Israel's continual encroachment into the land that isn't theirs, and Hezbollah's terrorism, just a couple.... it's sadly a never-ending cycle. What about Israel's displacement of all the Gazans? Is that ok in your eyes?
It's an incredibly sad situation over there, innocent people on both sides are being affected. |
In the whole of 2023, before the October 7 pogrom, Hezbollah fired just a dozen rockets into Israel, wounding 3 Israeli civilians. In 2022 Hezbollah fired just a handful of rockets into Israel. From 8 October until now Hezbollah have fired nearly 10,000 rockets into Israel. This is the reason Israel have responded with recent action in Lebanon. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:17 - Oct 2 with 1794 views | mutters |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:58 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
In the whole of 2023, before the October 7 pogrom, Hezbollah fired just a dozen rockets into Israel, wounding 3 Israeli civilians. In 2022 Hezbollah fired just a handful of rockets into Israel. From 8 October until now Hezbollah have fired nearly 10,000 rockets into Israel. This is the reason Israel have responded with recent action in Lebanon. |
Hmm let's think about what's happened in the last 12 months?
I am not expert in the area but am pretty sure that there is a correlation between increases hostilities from Hezbollah and Israels offensive in Gaza. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:26 - Oct 2 with 1771 views | Cotty |
Why do people feel the need to pick sides when there's an utter s***show like this going on? Plenty of examples of that in this thread. I find it really odd.
Equally odd are the pro-Palestinian protests taking place regularly near me. Very little mention of "stop the war", they are mostly nationalist marches rather than calls for peace. The world is fooked. |  | | |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:32 - Oct 2 with 1740 views | NthQldITFC |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 06:54 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Iran-backed Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8 and and has fired 10,000 rockets since then.
Hezbollah's assault displaced 70,000 Israelis from their homes.
Israel finally responds to push Hezbollah away from the border.
Iran directly attacks Israel.
But it is Israel who are the aggressors. |
These graphics are striking though, particularly the fatalities one, which is probably the most important metric:
and the Bloomberg article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-lebanon-death-toll-israel-hezbollah-atta [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 8:33]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:42 - Oct 2 with 1708 views | baxterbasics |
If we're reduced to labelling any nation "the baddies" here:
Iran is pumping money and weapons into Hamas, Hezboll0ck and the Houthis, all to wage proxy aggression against the Jewish state and any others they want driven into the sea.
Now Israel has seriously degraded two of these groups, Iran has to resort to some direct action.
Iran is responsible for this chaos. They are the baddies. They don't care about what it means for regular folk in Gaza or Lebanon who just want to be left alone.
WW3? Unlikely. China and Russia would have to care enough to get involved. A regional war is bad enough - brace yourselves for economic turmoil, rocketing oil prices, shrinking pension funds. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:52 - Oct 2 with 1668 views | DJR |
I suppose one way of looking at the issue is to consider what the UK would do if it was coming under rocket attack from the Pas-de-Calais and the population of Dover had had to be be evacuated. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 8:53]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:52 - Oct 2 with 1665 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Just to pick up on a point there, and why many of these takes seem to fail to understand the region; ‘does Lebanon have a right to defend itself’. Hezbollah ARE NOT Lebanon, and there is often a dishonest conflation of the two. Lebanon are not defending themselves- because they aren’t attacking anybody. Hezbollah are paramilitaries, and are effectively an de facto occupying force in the South.
To that point, the Lebanese military haven’t responded militarily to the Israeli strikes, or fired on the IDF or Israeli civilians . To date they’ve just been assisting displaced civilians, it wouldn’t be a stretch to think they are happy for Hezbollah’s capability to be degraded.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/apartment-building-beirut-hit-israel-w
When they aren’t busy attacking Israel, Hezbollah are active in killing other Muslims to assist Assad in Syria. That’s not to say I agree with further escalations, but Hezbollah are a destabilising and violent force imposing on Lebanon (and Syria) - they aren’t heroically defending Lebanon from Israeli aggression, they are bringing war to a country which would otherwise be at peace. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 8:56]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:01 - Oct 2 with 1604 views | lowhouseblue |
the idea that hezbollah is there to defend lebanon is disingenuous. hezbollah are there to enact iranian policy and to provide a deterrent threat to protect iran itself. the government and citizens in lebanon are not the same as hezbollah. |  |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:16 - Oct 2 with 1554 views | NthQldITFC |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:01 - Oct 2 by lowhouseblue |
the idea that hezbollah is there to defend lebanon is disingenuous. hezbollah are there to enact iranian policy and to provide a deterrent threat to protect iran itself. the government and citizens in lebanon are not the same as hezbollah. |
I can't imagine that anybody thinks that they are.  | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:19 - Oct 2 with 1527 views | lowhouseblue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:16 - Oct 2 by NthQldITFC |
I can't imagine that anybody thinks that they are. |
the tweet you posted asked 'does lebanon have a right to defend itself?' so it sounds as if the tweeter you favoured thinks they are. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:23 - Oct 2 with 1496 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 07:58 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
In the whole of 2023, before the October 7 pogrom, Hezbollah fired just a dozen rockets into Israel, wounding 3 Israeli civilians. In 2022 Hezbollah fired just a handful of rockets into Israel. From 8 October until now Hezbollah have fired nearly 10,000 rockets into Israel. This is the reason Israel have responded with recent action in Lebanon. |
.....or....they could have agreed a ceasefire in Gaza and got their hostages back. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:30 - Oct 2 with 1448 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:17 - Oct 2 by mutters |
Hmm let's think about what's happened in the last 12 months?
I am not expert in the area but am pretty sure that there is a correlation between increases hostilities from Hezbollah and Israels offensive in Gaza. |
Pretty sure Israel didn't start their offensive into Gaza the day after the Hamas attacks of October 7th. Hezbollah started firing thousands of rockets into Israel as a response to Hamas attack. Not to Israel's response. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:33 - Oct 2 with 1430 views | Blueschev |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:30 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Pretty sure Israel didn't start their offensive into Gaza the day after the Hamas attacks of October 7th. Hezbollah started firing thousands of rockets into Israel as a response to Hamas attack. Not to Israel's response. |
Israel started her offensive in to Gaza in 1967. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 9:34]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:33 - Oct 2 with 1430 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:42 - Oct 2 by baxterbasics |
If we're reduced to labelling any nation "the baddies" here:
Iran is pumping money and weapons into Hamas, Hezboll0ck and the Houthis, all to wage proxy aggression against the Jewish state and any others they want driven into the sea.
Now Israel has seriously degraded two of these groups, Iran has to resort to some direct action.
Iran is responsible for this chaos. They are the baddies. They don't care about what it means for regular folk in Gaza or Lebanon who just want to be left alone.
WW3? Unlikely. China and Russia would have to care enough to get involved. A regional war is bad enough - brace yourselves for economic turmoil, rocketing oil prices, shrinking pension funds. |
According to one news channel yesterday our best hope for Biden finally turning the screws on Netanyahu is that they can't afford to have rocketing oil prices before the election! | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:35 - Oct 2 with 1416 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 08:52 - Oct 2 by DJR |
I suppose one way of looking at the issue is to consider what the UK would do if it was coming under rocket attack from the Pas-de-Calais and the population of Dover had had to be be evacuated. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 8:53]
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We should probably reconsider our invasion of Normandy? | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:39 - Oct 2 with 1401 views | Churchman |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:23 - Oct 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
.....or....they could have agreed a ceasefire in Gaza and got their hostages back. |
Ok, so say they’d done that and got the hostages back. Does it solve the problem? The attached rightly or wrongly describes why hostage taking:
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2023/10/why-has-hamas-taken-hostages
This indicates that yes, what you suggest might have solved this situation, but what about the next one? Any sign of success in using hostage methods including killing and torture surely emboldens the hostage takers to do more of it doesn’t it?
This is not a comment on whose to blame, whys and wherefores. I really am too poorly read on middle east history and the current situation to offer a reasoned view.
However, what next? I see EU countries are asking for non-retaliation/restraint, but after 180 odd missiles fired at Israel I really cannot see that happening.
WW3? No chance. A lot of innocent people killed and injured? Sadly a certainty. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 9:43]
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:46 - Oct 2 with 1350 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:33 - Oct 2 by Blueschev |
Israel started her offensive in to Gaza in 1967. [Post edited 2 Oct 2024 9:34]
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Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. | |
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| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:49 - Oct 2 with 1341 views | Blueschev |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:46 - Oct 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. |
What were you saying the other day about being disingenuous? | | | |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:56 - Oct 2 with 1285 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Least WW3 isn't about to kick off... on 09:16 - Oct 2 by NthQldITFC |
I can't imagine that anybody thinks that they are. |
How would you interpret the tweet about Lebanon defending itself? The Lebanese military hasn’t fired a shot in anger…which can only lead to the conclusion they are referencing Hezbollah? | | | |
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