| Chin finds a foot on 12:47 - Oct 11 with 2832 views | Keno |
if they find the rest of him might solve the question as you whether he and Mallory reached the summit or not |  |
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| Chin finds a foot on 12:51 - Oct 11 with 2811 views | NthQldITFC |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:47 - Oct 11 by Keno |
if they find the rest of him might solve the question as you whether he and Mallory reached the summit or not |
Oh man, he so nearly got there!
What a shame to come up a foot short!
(this might be my finest ever work  , low bar.) |  |
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| Chin finds a foot on 12:52 - Oct 11 with 2801 views | gtsb1966 |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:51 - Oct 11 by NthQldITFC |
Oh man, he so nearly got there!
What a shame to come up a foot short!
(this might be my finest ever work , low bar.) |
Put a sock in it will you. |  | | |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:54 - Oct 11 with 2785 views | NedPlimpton |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:47 - Oct 11 by Keno |
if they find the rest of him might solve the question as you whether he and Mallory reached the summit or not |
It's certainly one step forward to finding out |  | | |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:55 - Oct 11 with 2784 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s quite a find. I love the bit about it being sent off for DNA analysis and the explorer saying ‘duh!, it’s got a label on it dudes’. |  |
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| Chin finds a foot on 13:15 - Oct 11 with 2716 views | Illinoisblue |
This was in the news this morning but probably not the head you’re looking for.
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| Chin finds a foot on 13:21 - Oct 11 with 2696 views | Keno |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:51 - Oct 11 by NthQldITFC |
Oh man, he so nearly got there!
What a shame to come up a foot short!
(this might be my finest ever work , low bar.) |
thats a shoe in for post of the day | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 13:33 - Oct 11 with 2659 views | factual_blue |
| Chin finds a foot on 13:21 - Oct 11 by Keno |
thats a shoe in for post of the day |
Don't be a heel.
You're normally the life and sole of the party. |  |
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| Chin finds a foot on 13:53 - Oct 11 with 2598 views | Fixed_It |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:51 - Oct 11 by NthQldITFC |
Oh man, he so nearly got there!
What a shame to come up a foot short!
(this might be my finest ever work , low bar.) |
Well he might have still been able to limp to the summit. Losing a foot would be a lame excuse. |  |
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| Chin finds a foot on 14:05 - Oct 11 with 2564 views | leitrimblue |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:55 - Oct 11 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s quite a find. I love the bit about it being sent off for DNA analysis and the explorer saying ‘duh!, it’s got a label on it dudes’. |
If everybody was willing to sow there names into their socks it could make the work of Osteoarchaeologists and pathologists so much easier |  | | |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:09 - Oct 11 with 2570 views | Guthrum |
| Chin finds a foot on 12:47 - Oct 11 by Keno |
if they find the rest of him might solve the question as you whether he and Mallory reached the summit or not |
Most importantly, whether the camera still exists and the if it is possible to develop the film.
I'm still in the camp that they were unable to climb the Second Step and therefore wern't able to make the summit. It was perhaps achievable with the equipment, knowlege and skill levels in 1924 (one person has done it wearing replica kit), but very marginal, especially as Irvine was less experienced than Mallory. They were also running extremely late on the summit attempt, due to difficulties with oxygen equipment.
Against that must be set Odell's very firm belief that he saw them climb what he thought to be the Second Step. Combined with the fact that the First Step is usually by-passed, so there would have been no need for them to go up it. If Odell was right, there was nothing technical to stop them reaching the summit, other than the lateness of the day.
Neither the 1933 flight over the summit nor Hillary and Tenzing 20 years later found any trace of them having reached it, tho that is probably unsurprising given renewal of the snow. |  |
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| Chin finds a foot on 14:13 - Oct 11 with 2543 views | Keno |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:05 - Oct 11 by leitrimblue |
If everybody was willing to sow there names into their socks it could make the work of Osteoarchaeologists and pathologists so much easier |
just imagine if you find a sock with "Arthur King' sown into it!! | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 14:23 - Oct 11 with 2525 views | Keno |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:09 - Oct 11 by Guthrum |
Most importantly, whether the camera still exists and the if it is possible to develop the film.
I'm still in the camp that they were unable to climb the Second Step and therefore wern't able to make the summit. It was perhaps achievable with the equipment, knowlege and skill levels in 1924 (one person has done it wearing replica kit), but very marginal, especially as Irvine was less experienced than Mallory. They were also running extremely late on the summit attempt, due to difficulties with oxygen equipment.
Against that must be set Odell's very firm belief that he saw them climb what he thought to be the Second Step. Combined with the fact that the First Step is usually by-passed, so there would have been no need for them to go up it. If Odell was right, there was nothing technical to stop them reaching the summit, other than the lateness of the day.
Neither the 1933 flight over the summit nor Hillary and Tenzing 20 years later found any trace of them having reached it, tho that is probably unsurprising given renewal of the snow. |
It it one of those mystery's that I find intriguing
Lots of speculation either way but the general opinion is they didnt, but it would be nice to know | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 14:35 - Oct 11 with 2491 views | Guthrum |
Still in the glacier, probably. They do churn about while sliding down the uneven surface of the mountain.
Also depends how far he might have fallen initially. That can break bodies up, too. | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 14:46 - Oct 11 with 2466 views | factual_blue |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:35 - Oct 11 by Guthrum |
Still in the glacier, probably. They do churn about while sliding down the uneven surface of the mountain.
Also depends how far he might have fallen initially. That can break bodies up, too. |
You seem to know a lot about how to break up a corpse with a glacier, Guthers.
Is there something you'd like to share with us.
Obviously, you are not obliged to say anything, but anything you do say.... | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 15:05 - Oct 11 with 2411 views | Guthrum |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:46 - Oct 11 by factual_blue |
You seem to know a lot about how to break up a corpse with a glacier, Guthers.
Is there something you'd like to share with us.
Obviously, you are not obliged to say anything, but anything you do say.... |
Otzi was nothing to do with me. | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 15:26 - Oct 11 with 2374 views | gtsb1966 |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:09 - Oct 11 by Guthrum |
Most importantly, whether the camera still exists and the if it is possible to develop the film.
I'm still in the camp that they were unable to climb the Second Step and therefore wern't able to make the summit. It was perhaps achievable with the equipment, knowlege and skill levels in 1924 (one person has done it wearing replica kit), but very marginal, especially as Irvine was less experienced than Mallory. They were also running extremely late on the summit attempt, due to difficulties with oxygen equipment.
Against that must be set Odell's very firm belief that he saw them climb what he thought to be the Second Step. Combined with the fact that the First Step is usually by-passed, so there would have been no need for them to go up it. If Odell was right, there was nothing technical to stop them reaching the summit, other than the lateness of the day.
Neither the 1933 flight over the summit nor Hillary and Tenzing 20 years later found any trace of them having reached it, tho that is probably unsurprising given renewal of the snow. |
One day they might find him just like they did these.... https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-torrington-franklin-expedition-mummies [Post edited 11 Oct 2024 15:35]
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| Chin finds a foot on 00:20 - Oct 12 with 2183 views | ronnyd |
Nice to know that he almost nailed it. |  | | |
| Chin finds a foot on 07:46 - Oct 12 with 2125 views | Churchman |
| Chin finds a foot on 14:09 - Oct 11 by Guthrum |
Most importantly, whether the camera still exists and the if it is possible to develop the film.
I'm still in the camp that they were unable to climb the Second Step and therefore wern't able to make the summit. It was perhaps achievable with the equipment, knowlege and skill levels in 1924 (one person has done it wearing replica kit), but very marginal, especially as Irvine was less experienced than Mallory. They were also running extremely late on the summit attempt, due to difficulties with oxygen equipment.
Against that must be set Odell's very firm belief that he saw them climb what he thought to be the Second Step. Combined with the fact that the First Step is usually by-passed, so there would have been no need for them to go up it. If Odell was right, there was nothing technical to stop them reaching the summit, other than the lateness of the day.
Neither the 1933 flight over the summit nor Hillary and Tenzing 20 years later found any trace of them having reached it, tho that is probably unsurprising given renewal of the snow. |
I like to think they made it. Not least because of what Odell says he saw.
The camera should it ever be found might provide proof, but after 100 years etc? One little nugget is that Mallory said he’d leave a pic of his misses on the summit. That pic was not found on his body in 1999. Hardly conclusive evidence. However if they were seen a few hundred yards from the top, I can’t see why they wouldn’t have made it.
The conditions on Everest are unreal from what I’ve read. With the kit and lack of understanding re diet I’m amazed they got that close. People die to this day and can’t be brought down. There’s over 200 bodies up there in the death zone.
Amazing people from a different time. These people, especially Ernest Shackleton and the North/South Pole mob, fascinate me.
Edit: Sandy Irvine was less experienced, but Mallory took him because he was good with the oxygen kit. At 22 he was also very fit, though altitude sickness etc does not respect health or age always. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 7:49]
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| Chin finds a foot on 08:21 - Oct 12 with 2091 views | TractorWood |
| Chin finds a foot on 07:46 - Oct 12 by Churchman |
I like to think they made it. Not least because of what Odell says he saw.
The camera should it ever be found might provide proof, but after 100 years etc? One little nugget is that Mallory said he’d leave a pic of his misses on the summit. That pic was not found on his body in 1999. Hardly conclusive evidence. However if they were seen a few hundred yards from the top, I can’t see why they wouldn’t have made it.
The conditions on Everest are unreal from what I’ve read. With the kit and lack of understanding re diet I’m amazed they got that close. People die to this day and can’t be brought down. There’s over 200 bodies up there in the death zone.
Amazing people from a different time. These people, especially Ernest Shackleton and the North/South Pole mob, fascinate me.
Edit: Sandy Irvine was less experienced, but Mallory took him because he was good with the oxygen kit. At 22 he was also very fit, though altitude sickness etc does not respect health or age always. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 7:49]
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I like to think they made it but have doubts. Worth remembering Hilary took the SE route from Nepal whereas these boys took the North ridge route from Tibet.
It's supposed they took the second step and not taken the Norton Couloir, which at the time was the supposed best route to the summit field. Also bear in mind that Reinhold Messner was the first to climb the Norton Couloir in 1980, solo. Messner is basically a GOAT too.
Odell said they took the second step and supposing they did, the second step is rated as 5.9/5.10. Which is a very tough technical achievement. Let alone in 1924, let alone in the death zone, let alone to Mallory (good climber) and Irving who had very limited technical climbing ability. It wasn't actually climbed until 1960. Some climbers struggle to solo it now and just use the Chinese ladder.
This expedition was ridiculously bold and successful for its time. About 48 hours prior, Norton got to a recorded altitude of 8,573m, which was an altitude record for nearly 3 decades as he was just 300m vert short of the summit. Hence why I think if Mallory and Irvine were to make it, it would have been via the Norton Couloir.
Again I'd love to be wrong. I've been reading about mountaineering for 20 years and have some experience above 4,000m. If I was betting man, they didn't make it.
The mystery is absolutely amazing though and hope they find the camera in my lifetime. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 8:48]
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| Chin finds a foot on 08:50 - Oct 12 with 2052 views | Bluesky |
| Chin finds a foot on 15:05 - Oct 11 by Guthrum |
Otzi was nothing to do with me. |
Is it right that Otzi had his acupuncture “recipe” for his osteoarthritis tattooed on his legs and back? |  | | |
| Chin finds a foot on 09:14 - Oct 12 with 2033 views | Churchman |
| Chin finds a foot on 08:21 - Oct 12 by TractorWood |
I like to think they made it but have doubts. Worth remembering Hilary took the SE route from Nepal whereas these boys took the North ridge route from Tibet.
It's supposed they took the second step and not taken the Norton Couloir, which at the time was the supposed best route to the summit field. Also bear in mind that Reinhold Messner was the first to climb the Norton Couloir in 1980, solo. Messner is basically a GOAT too.
Odell said they took the second step and supposing they did, the second step is rated as 5.9/5.10. Which is a very tough technical achievement. Let alone in 1924, let alone in the death zone, let alone to Mallory (good climber) and Irving who had very limited technical climbing ability. It wasn't actually climbed until 1960. Some climbers struggle to solo it now and just use the Chinese ladder.
This expedition was ridiculously bold and successful for its time. About 48 hours prior, Norton got to a recorded altitude of 8,573m, which was an altitude record for nearly 3 decades as he was just 300m vert short of the summit. Hence why I think if Mallory and Irvine were to make it, it would have been via the Norton Couloir.
Again I'd love to be wrong. I've been reading about mountaineering for 20 years and have some experience above 4,000m. If I was betting man, they didn't make it.
The mystery is absolutely amazing though and hope they find the camera in my lifetime. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 8:48]
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Well, your knowledge is far greater than mine and you are probably right, sadly. It’s the romantic in me that likes to think they made it as much as anything else.
I really do admire these explorers. I’ve no idea how they got even close with what they had. I’ve never been anywhere near as high as 4000m. I’ve skied Colorado. Breckenridge is at just under 3000m, the peaks adding a bit to that. Even at that meagre altitude, it takes a few days to adjust to it. Just sitting you can feel your body working, particularly if it’s lower than -10c.
Some people don’t adjust and succumb to altitude sickness, but most do if they follow ‘the rules’. I cannot imagine just how tough those 1924 guys and after must have been. Everest is well over 8000m at the top. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 9:16]
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| Chin finds a foot on 09:24 - Oct 12 with 2003 views | Guthrum |
| Chin finds a foot on 08:50 - Oct 12 by Bluesky |
Is it right that Otzi had his acupuncture “recipe” for his osteoarthritis tattooed on his legs and back? |
I wasn't aware of that, but it does seem to be the case that his tattoos align with acupuncture points - altho the earliest reference to the treatment method itself comes from China about two millennia later. | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 09:38 - Oct 12 with 1988 views | TractorWood |
| Chin finds a foot on 09:14 - Oct 12 by Churchman |
Well, your knowledge is far greater than mine and you are probably right, sadly. It’s the romantic in me that likes to think they made it as much as anything else.
I really do admire these explorers. I’ve no idea how they got even close with what they had. I’ve never been anywhere near as high as 4000m. I’ve skied Colorado. Breckenridge is at just under 3000m, the peaks adding a bit to that. Even at that meagre altitude, it takes a few days to adjust to it. Just sitting you can feel your body working, particularly if it’s lower than -10c.
Some people don’t adjust and succumb to altitude sickness, but most do if they follow ‘the rules’. I cannot imagine just how tough those 1924 guys and after must have been. Everest is well over 8000m at the top. [Post edited 12 Oct 2024 9:16]
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Thanks and agree.
The Colorado Rockies are stunning. I have done the Pikes Peak marathon in Colorado which starts in Manitou Springs and then goes up Pikes Peak for 13.1miles to the summit at just over 4,300m and then back down for the marathon distance.
I arrived about 5 days early and spent the time at between 2,000-3,000m acclimatising. I was in the shape of my life but it remains the toughest thing I think I've ever done or will do in my life. I reacted really well to the altitude.
The difference to breathing and heart rate between say 2,700m and 4,300m is ridiculous. I couldn't begin to imagine what it's like at 8,000m. | |
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| Chin finds a foot on 10:10 - Oct 12 with 1965 views | Churchman |
| Chin finds a foot on 09:38 - Oct 12 by TractorWood |
Thanks and agree.
The Colorado Rockies are stunning. I have done the Pikes Peak marathon in Colorado which starts in Manitou Springs and then goes up Pikes Peak for 13.1miles to the summit at just over 4,300m and then back down for the marathon distance.
I arrived about 5 days early and spent the time at between 2,000-3,000m acclimatising. I was in the shape of my life but it remains the toughest thing I think I've ever done or will do in my life. I reacted really well to the altitude.
The difference to breathing and heart rate between say 2,700m and 4,300m is ridiculous. I couldn't begin to imagine what it's like at 8,000m. |
A marathon at that height??? Dear god. I can only imagine how hard that must have been. At least with skiing you usually get a lift up (in me fitter days I’d sometimes trudge a little way higher, but even then it did for me) and gravity does most of the work down - if you have a vague idea what you are doing.
I’ve done a fair bit of N America and despite Mammoth Mountain being higher at about 3400m, I found the Colorado Rockies the harshest.
Back to 1924 I noticed a picture of what is thought to be Base Camp 5. Ridge tent, rocks, mountain steep, cold. Food seems to have been sugar based plus stuff like macaroni, tinned ham, tea - presumably whatever they could carry and leave at bases? Better than Pemmican and seals which is what Scott, Amundsen and co survived on before WW1, but you’ve really got to want to climb that mountain, haven’t you. | | | |
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