| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 12:17 - Oct 15 with 3619 views | blueasfook |
I expect the Sudanese probably stole their land at some point. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 12:26 - Oct 15 with 3567 views | DJR |
It is a shocking state of affairs and reported widely on the World Service but it's not unique in being ignored in much of the media.
If there's no Western interest, what goes on in the world is largely ignored. You only have to take the coverage of the recent hurricane in Florida, when disasters much worse elsewhere in the world end up as no more than a footnote.
Admittedly, Sky News today did feature Sudan as a main news item but it won't pull in the punters the same way as a hurricane.
As an aside, UK media coverage is much more focused on the US than Europe.
EDIT: on reflection what I said was not quite correct. Yemen is a place where there are Western interests, but the suffering there was kept out of the news because (whether or not the action was justified) Britain and the West were responsible for some of the suffering.
I think this situation was covered by these words of Orwell.
"Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics."
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 13:27 - Oct 15 with 3397 views | Guthrum |
Nobody really talks about the civil war in Myanmar/Burma, either. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 13:58 - Oct 15 with 3320 views | baxterbasics |
Some lives matter more than others, innit?
Was ever thus. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 16:10 - Oct 15 with 3164 views | NthQldITFC |
It's a good point. It doesn't serve to justify anything else, but it's a good point.
As well as the lack of interest in news that doesn't concern us, our close allies or where we go on holiday, there's also the drift in 'enthusiasm' for consuming bad news of all types when we get too much of it or it gets overshadowed by something more interesting; Ukraine over the last year, climate change-driven events that aren't on our doorstep (or that of our friends, or where we go on holiday), and now perhaps even a little bit for Gaza (and soon for Lebanon if Iran and Israel start really having at it).
Generally we're driven by our own interests or self-interest. For me it's primarily concern for nature and the ecosphere as a whole rather than for humanity, or specific tribes of humanity. For many, unfortunately, it's consuming and showing off, and we all know that that's going to be deadly on a planetary scale, even if we refuse to face up to it.
I've hijacked your post again, sorry, but I feel the underlying driving forces are the same - individual interests, dogma and ego, over a selfless, humble social and environmental conscience. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 16:29 - Oct 15 with 3109 views | unbelievablue |
I don't think people can be expected to be aware really, given the lack of coverage. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 16:58 - Oct 15 with 3056 views | Swansea_Blue |
Bonkers innit. I was reading that piece at the weekend and it's horrendous. It's weird how some conflicts get all the attention and others almost ignored. It's not the complexity, as that's also the case in the Middle East. He's probably right that it boils down to tribalism and having an easily identifiable 'side' to rally around (edit - plus the wall-to-wall media coverage the ME gets too of course).
You don't hear a lot about Myanmar these days, with over 2.5 million displaced refugees. Nor Haiti, were the conditions are ultra-grim with millions facing starvation and disease. Plenty of other ones rumbling on as well. [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 17:04]
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 17:18 - Oct 15 with 3002 views | bluebud |
It's dreadful.
I guess the two wars that are closer are taking up the "news space" |  | | |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 17:35 - Oct 15 with 2968 views | lightuser |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 13:27 - Oct 15 by Guthrum |
Nobody really talks about the civil war in Myanmar/Burma, either. |
Maybe because in both conflicts, there is a lack of "good guys" to get behind?
The governing Junta in Myanmar is a horrid regime, but the opposition groups are mostly funded and backed by some very dubious parties and means (drug warlords etc).
Meanwhile, both Junta and oppositions are looked upon with trepidation by the Rohingya.
Whilst in Sudan the government is another typical African, tribal/family/ego driven, corrupt regime and the opposition worse (imo) due to its force composition including the Janjaweed. |  | | |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 18:04 - Oct 15 with 2874 views | DJR |
A letter in today's Guardian raised an interesting point.
It said that there are reasons to censure DP World apart from its role in relation to P&O.
Those reasons are its close ties to the UAE (its holding company is run by the country's vice-president) coupled with the fact that the UAE supports the Rapid Support Forces. | | | |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 18:15 - Oct 15 with 2838 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Indeed, I do think humans will destroy ourselves before the planet does. Incredible when we’ve put people on the moon, cured deadly diseases, explored deep into our solar system etc, that people are willing to kill each other over religion and territory.
Mentions too for Yemen which has killed over 150,000 people, seen over 200,000 deliberately starved to death, and 14m on the verge of famine. And in Venezuela, the brutal regime which has created the biggest refugee crisis in the world (7m and counting). | | | |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 19:21 - Oct 15 with 2722 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 17:35 - Oct 15 by lightuser |
Maybe because in both conflicts, there is a lack of "good guys" to get behind?
The governing Junta in Myanmar is a horrid regime, but the opposition groups are mostly funded and backed by some very dubious parties and means (drug warlords etc).
Meanwhile, both Junta and oppositions are looked upon with trepidation by the Rohingya.
Whilst in Sudan the government is another typical African, tribal/family/ego driven, corrupt regime and the opposition worse (imo) due to its force composition including the Janjaweed. |
If that were a real justification, how do you justify the coverage of Israel and Palestine?
In all these conflicts and the many that get little to no coverage (Sudan is not unique in that but is the biggest), the innocent civillians would be the ones to feel most for. Those who would just want to live their lives in peace but can't. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 19:38 - Oct 15 with 2667 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 19:21 - Oct 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If that were a real justification, how do you justify the coverage of Israel and Palestine?
In all these conflicts and the many that get little to no coverage (Sudan is not unique in that but is the biggest), the innocent civillians would be the ones to feel most for. Those who would just want to live their lives in peace but can't. |
Can we please not turn this thread into another Israel/Gaza debate? There are over 100 threads on the subject that you could contribute to. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 21:13 - Oct 15 with 2537 views | lightuser |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 19:21 - Oct 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If that were a real justification, how do you justify the coverage of Israel and Palestine?
In all these conflicts and the many that get little to no coverage (Sudan is not unique in that but is the biggest), the innocent civillians would be the ones to feel most for. Those who would just want to live their lives in peace but can't. |
I didn't mean to imply that "no good guys" would be a justification for lack of media coverage in every situation, just that Sudan and Myanmar are "messy"?
Anyway, Cannaa was the birthplace of the god of war adopted by the Israeli settlers and subsequently their competing Abrahamic ideologies of Christianity and Islam. Therefore, you are going to have potentially, several billion interested observers cheering on one side, or the other and who think that their side are the "good guys".
And yes, I agree about the real victims of these pointless conflicts, the innocent civilians. | | | |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 21:17 - Oct 15 with 2519 views | unbelievablue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 19:21 - Oct 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If that were a real justification, how do you justify the coverage of Israel and Palestine?
In all these conflicts and the many that get little to no coverage (Sudan is not unique in that but is the biggest), the innocent civillians would be the ones to feel most for. Those who would just want to live their lives in peace but can't. |
Not so much a justification as an explanation, I suppose. There are loads of 'reasons' why Israel-Palestine conflict is covered more than others. Not many of them are justifiable in the wider context of human interest. | |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 21:27 - Oct 15 with 2488 views | Bigalhunter |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 21:17 - Oct 15 by unbelievablue |
Not so much a justification as an explanation, I suppose. There are loads of 'reasons' why Israel-Palestine conflict is covered more than others. Not many of them are justifiable in the wider context of human interest. |
The OP quite often resorts to the strange adage..
No jews, no news.
That probably answers his own question. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 09:07 - Oct 16 with 2199 views | DJR |
A rare piece of good news regarding Sudan.
Last night their football team beat Ghana 2-0 in Libya, and are now on the verge of qualifying for the African Cup of Nations, with only two games to go and a lead of five points over Ghana.
The World Service this morning had an interview this morning with one of their players. [Post edited 16 Oct 2024 10:36]
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 09:25 - Oct 16 with 2146 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 09:46 - Oct 16 with 2100 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I suspect that the relatively undeveloped resource infrastructure and political situation in which the West has not been able to pick a side means that media attention is limited and protest groups don't have an unsupportable narrative to oppose. Unlike in some other parts of the World. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:26 - Oct 16 with 2032 views | Pinewoodblue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 09:46 - Oct 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I suspect that the relatively undeveloped resource infrastructure and political situation in which the West has not been able to pick a side means that media attention is limited and protest groups don't have an unsupportable narrative to oppose. Unlike in some other parts of the World. |
Aljazerra provides good coverage of conflicts worldwide. Watching their apparent unbiased coverage might cause problems for some. |  |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:34 - Oct 16 with 2013 views | Zapers |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:26 - Oct 16 by Pinewoodblue |
Aljazerra provides good coverage of conflicts worldwide. Watching their apparent unbiased coverage might cause problems for some. |
Obviously they don’t show Aljazerra channel in Norway, and I suspect coverage is a bit patchy in the Ipswich area. | | | |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:40 - Oct 16 with 1981 views | Pinewoodblue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:34 - Oct 16 by Zapers |
Obviously they don’t show Aljazerra channel in Norway, and I suspect coverage is a bit patchy in the Ipswich area. |
It is on Virgin/Sky and available online. | |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 11:48 - Oct 16 with 1850 views | DJR |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:40 - Oct 16 by Pinewoodblue |
It is on Virgin/Sky and available online. |
It was available, next to Sky News, as a free-to-air channel through an ordinary aerial until a couple of weeks ago but it has been moved elsewhere and is now only available with the use of a Freeview box. [Post edited 16 Oct 2024 11:50]
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 12:07 - Oct 16 with 1814 views | GlasgowBlue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 10:26 - Oct 16 by Pinewoodblue |
Aljazerra provides good coverage of conflicts worldwide. Watching their apparent unbiased coverage might cause problems for some. |
Without dragging up conflicts from elsewhere into this thread, anyone who thinks that the Qatari state owned media channel Al Jazeera is “unbiased” , is being played. With all due respect. | |
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| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 12:58 - Oct 16 with 1718 views | Pinewoodblue |
| A war in which tens of thousands are being killed on 12:07 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Without dragging up conflicts from elsewhere into this thread, anyone who thinks that the Qatari state owned media channel Al Jazeera is “unbiased” , is being played. With all due respect. |
Will not give a detailed response as it would derail your thread and eventually lead to it being removed. | |
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