| The Violent Labour MP 22:00 - Oct 27 with 7920 views | onceablue |
Based on the evidence of that Video and Kier Starmers stance on rioters, remembering a woman was sentenced to 2 years in prison for pushing a shopping trolley at police and calling a police dog gay, he should never see the light of day
He’s one of your own
He’s one of your own
Kier Starmer he’s one of your own
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| The Violent Labour MP on 13:11 - Oct 28 with 1805 views | Ryorry |
| The Violent Labour MP on 11:20 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm pretty sure the thread is more about someone desperate for childish point scoring, rather than about some bloke thumping another.
When it comes to blokes thumping each other, it does look like this MP is in the crap. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Being a cynic, I wonder if which 'side' of Labor he's on will impact the outcome. It will certainly be a factor in the public discourse around the event. And, as you say, nobody knows what happened in the lead up - although I'm struggling to think of a situation that would justify such an assault. |
Not the best role model for the HoP - where the entire point is that Govt. & Opposition benches are spaced two sword-lengths apart so that they make their cases with verbal eloquence rather than physical violence, is he! |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 13:26 - Oct 28 with 1758 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 11:20 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm pretty sure the thread is more about someone desperate for childish point scoring, rather than about some bloke thumping another.
When it comes to blokes thumping each other, it does look like this MP is in the crap. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Being a cynic, I wonder if which 'side' of Labor he's on will impact the outcome. It will certainly be a factor in the public discourse around the event. And, as you say, nobody knows what happened in the lead up - although I'm struggling to think of a situation that would justify such an assault. |
If you believe that "which side of of Labour he's on will impact the outcome" then you are indulging in similar two tier conspiracies that the OP has engage din.
The case will be investigated by the police. If they deem that he has a case to answer he will be tried at court, who will reacha. verdict based on the evidence they hear. What "side of of Labour he's on" will have no bearing on the outcome. |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 13:34 - Oct 28 with 1742 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 13:26 - Oct 28 by GlasgowBlue |
If you believe that "which side of of Labour he's on will impact the outcome" then you are indulging in similar two tier conspiracies that the OP has engage din.
The case will be investigated by the police. If they deem that he has a case to answer he will be tried at court, who will reacha. verdict based on the evidence they hear. What "side of of Labour he's on" will have no bearing on the outcome. |
I don't think that's what Swansea quite means there to be fair
I think they're suggesting their treatment from Labour will depend if they more on the Starmer side or the Corbyn end of the party, it's very easy to throw a Corbynista under the bus and put them down as a bad apple
In truth, I'm not sure that will be the key decider, given Starmer's background but time will tell on that one
Labour have such a stonking majority, the odd MP here and there isn't going to make much of a difference in fairness to them |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 13:36 - Oct 28 with 1734 views | positivity |
| The Violent Labour MP on 13:34 - Oct 28 by bournemouthblue |
I don't think that's what Swansea quite means there to be fair
I think they're suggesting their treatment from Labour will depend if they more on the Starmer side or the Corbyn end of the party, it's very easy to throw a Corbynista under the bus and put them down as a bad apple
In truth, I'm not sure that will be the key decider, given Starmer's background but time will tell on that one
Labour have such a stonking majority, the odd MP here and there isn't going to make much of a difference in fairness to them |
yes, that's how i read it, no effect on the court case, but a possibility on whether he's let back into labour after that. | |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 14:06 - Oct 28 with 1683 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 13:34 - Oct 28 by bournemouthblue |
I don't think that's what Swansea quite means there to be fair
I think they're suggesting their treatment from Labour will depend if they more on the Starmer side or the Corbyn end of the party, it's very easy to throw a Corbynista under the bus and put them down as a bad apple
In truth, I'm not sure that will be the key decider, given Starmer's background but time will tell on that one
Labour have such a stonking majority, the odd MP here and there isn't going to make much of a difference in fairness to them |
Quite. I don’t “believe” he will be treated differently, but do wonder (a) whether that will be an issue, given how Starmer has purged the left, and (b) think that factions in the Labour Party will be talked about, whether or not factions come into how Labour deal with it. There is certainly the potential for conspiracies to come out of this.
I actually don’t think the factions will come into this, as it seems too serious. It’ll just be interesting to see if they do, imo. |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 14:15 - Oct 28 with 1683 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 14:06 - Oct 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. I don’t “believe” he will be treated differently, but do wonder (a) whether that will be an issue, given how Starmer has purged the left, and (b) think that factions in the Labour Party will be talked about, whether or not factions come into how Labour deal with it. There is certainly the potential for conspiracies to come out of this.
I actually don’t think the factions will come into this, as it seems too serious. It’ll just be interesting to see if they do, imo. |
Having been an MP for 7 years he couldn’t be described as New wave Labour( post purge).
Labour isn’t as broad a church as it used to be. |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 15:41 - Oct 28 with 1634 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 14:15 - Oct 28 by Pinewoodblue |
Having been an MP for 7 years he couldn’t be described as New wave Labour( post purge).
Labour isn’t as broad a church as it used to be. |
I don't think Labour are as left wing as they once were, they're a lot more middle class members involved in running it at a local level than there once were and it's Conservatives with a small 'c' which tend to decide elections as we saw with Starmer getting that storming majority
I don't think anyone saw the winter fuel payment fiasco coming
It still makes me chuckle you'll see twitter bots claim than that this Labour Government are far left and we are heading for a police state because some racist neo-nazis and their hair brained disciples have been locked up | |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 15:47 - Oct 28 with 1611 views | J2BLUE |
OP you are an absolute loon |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 16:15 - Oct 28 with 1560 views | Mullet |
| The Violent Labour MP on 15:41 - Oct 28 by bournemouthblue |
I don't think Labour are as left wing as they once were, they're a lot more middle class members involved in running it at a local level than there once were and it's Conservatives with a small 'c' which tend to decide elections as we saw with Starmer getting that storming majority
I don't think anyone saw the winter fuel payment fiasco coming
It still makes me chuckle you'll see twitter bots claim than that this Labour Government are far left and we are heading for a police state because some racist neo-nazis and their hair brained disciples have been locked up |
Was it a fiasco? Or just jumped in by the right wing gutter press? Surely the blame lies with the Tories who made it necessary?
Pensioners always being front of the queue because they vote blue is a separate issue. |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 17:01 - Oct 28 with 1499 views | brazil1982 |
| The Violent Labour MP on 08:57 - Oct 28 by DJR |
And I wonder if the OP had the same objections to the harsh sentences meted out to the predominantly black people involved in the 2011 riots? |
What do you mean by harsh? If you mean immediate custody, the 31% of those receiving an immediate sentence were black. |  | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 17:22 - Oct 28 with 1454 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 16:15 - Oct 28 by Mullet |
Was it a fiasco? Or just jumped in by the right wing gutter press? Surely the blame lies with the Tories who made it necessary?
Pensioners always being front of the queue because they vote blue is a separate issue. |
I think for pensioners slightly above the threshold but far from wealthy are the group that lose out, my mum being one who is also a WASPI woman
But I'm certainly in agreement that wealthy pensioners should not and should never be getting a winter fuel payment | |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 17:28 - Oct 28 with 1434 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Violent Labour MP on 17:01 - Oct 28 by brazil1982 |
What do you mean by harsh? If you mean immediate custody, the 31% of those receiving an immediate sentence were black. |
The same right wing grifters who work for Gbeebies thought the heavy sentences for Just Stop Oil members were great, some even felt they weren't harsh enough but didn't like it so much when people posting some 'tweets' on their side started getting punishments | |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 19:45 - Oct 28 with 1349 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| The Violent Labour MP on 22:52 - Oct 27 by redrickstuhaart |
Judges operate independently. Its called separation of powers.
Starmer knows full well, given his background, that one does not risk prejudicing a prosecution by making comments on it before it has taken place.
Reading between the lines, was what told me it was more about an objection to other convictions and punishments than it was about this incident... |
Separation of powers is a feature of the US constitution. Doesn’t apply in UK…. 😬 | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 20:12 - Oct 28 with 1326 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The Violent Labour MP on 19:45 - Oct 28 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Separation of powers is a feature of the US constitution. Doesn’t apply in UK…. 😬 |
Wrong. It is not a strict codified thing like parts of the US constitution, but it is absolutely a core principle. Courts are separate from the legislature. [Post edited 28 Oct 2024 20:15]
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| The Violent Labour MP on 20:55 - Oct 28 with 1292 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| The Violent Labour MP on 20:12 - Oct 28 by redrickstuhaart |
Wrong. It is not a strict codified thing like parts of the US constitution, but it is absolutely a core principle. Courts are separate from the legislature. [Post edited 28 Oct 2024 20:15]
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That’s not what was being discussed. It was probably just ignorance on the part of the original poster, but separation of peers doesn’t apply in UK. You’re conflating two different concepts. Making 2+2 to equal 5. | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 20:58 - Oct 28 with 1284 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The Violent Labour MP on 20:55 - Oct 28 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
That’s not what was being discussed. It was probably just ignorance on the part of the original poster, but separation of peers doesn’t apply in UK. You’re conflating two different concepts. Making 2+2 to equal 5. |
No. I am not. Separation of powers (not peers) is a well understood and recognised concept which anyone who has studied English constitutional law would understand.
It is fundamental to our democracy. Parliament is sovereign. Justice is independent. | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:04 - Oct 28 with 1254 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| The Violent Labour MP on 19:45 - Oct 28 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
Separation of powers is a feature of the US constitution. Doesn’t apply in UK…. 😬 |
Ah you're back after your 5am editing and deleting frenzy on the other thread where you embarrassed yourself. You were missed. |  | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:05 - Oct 28 with 1266 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| The Violent Labour MP on 20:58 - Oct 28 by redrickstuhaart |
No. I am not. Separation of powers (not peers) is a well understood and recognised concept which anyone who has studied English constitutional law would understand.
It is fundamental to our democracy. Parliament is sovereign. Justice is independent. |
As I said, separation of powers (not peers) is an American concept, not UK. As someone who worked in the court system in the U.K. for many years as a reporter, I can assure you that you are conflating two different issues. | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:30 - Oct 28 with 1229 views | Bigalhunter |
I genuinely don’t know where to start on this one, babes, so I won’t, but thoroughly enjoying your drivel.
Stay just the right side of utterly offensive and this could run for a bit.
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| The Violent Labour MP on 21:32 - Oct 28 with 1216 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:05 - Oct 28 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
As I said, separation of powers (not peers) is an American concept, not UK. As someone who worked in the court system in the U.K. for many years as a reporter, I can assure you that you are conflating two different issues. |
We're all reporters now Igglepiggle !! |  |
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| The Violent Labour MP on 21:35 - Oct 28 with 1213 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:05 - Oct 28 by BlibbiBlob1976 |
As I said, separation of powers (not peers) is an American concept, not UK. As someone who worked in the court system in the U.K. for many years as a reporter, I can assure you that you are conflating two different issues. |
As someone with relevant academic and professional knowledge, I assure you I am not. | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:36 - Oct 28 with 1213 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:30 - Oct 28 by Bigalhunter |
I genuinely don’t know where to start on this one, babes, so I won’t, but thoroughly enjoying your drivel.
Stay just the right side of utterly offensive and this could run for a bit.
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Good! 👍 | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:39 - Oct 28 with 1202 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:35 - Oct 28 by redrickstuhaart |
As someone with relevant academic and professional knowledge, I assure you I am not. |
You definitely are. If you believe separation of powers are are formally recognised in the U.K. then I don’t know where to start! Except to tell you that they are not. | | | |
| The Violent Labour MP on 21:48 - Oct 28 with 1180 views | BlibbiBlob1976 |
Uk has a fusion of powers, rather than a formal separation of powers, as in the US. You could argue that the judiciary is separate from the legislature, but this does not equate to a true separation of powers. Facts matter. | | | |
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