| Important not to overreact 12:50 - Dec 22 with 6272 views | itfcjoe |
Bad day at the office, but it’s the first game for 2-3 months which we’ve just not been in from start to finish and that will happen.
Missed Delap big time, with no out ball we had to keep playing out and they could cheat and press the life out of us.
Absolute masterclass from Tonali and Bruno, as good as I’ve seen this season.
Too many players had an off day, from the first second of the game - Burgess, Morsy and Chaplin right through the spine didn’t have good games, lost nearly all their one v ones and can’t do that in the PL.
Tough couple of games coming up, need to get some players back fit and a couple of fresh additions - we only need to finish 1 spot higher than we currently are
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| Important not to overreact on 20:59 - Dec 22 with 1443 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 20:55 - Dec 22 by itfcjoe |
What relevance does the promotion winning squad have with the current squad? |
It fills the most of the squad list. Esp when you remove phillips who's on loan.
As said. I didn't specifically mean 90% I didn't mean literally was more that basically all bar davis and hutchinson from our promotion winning sides will need to be replaced for us to move forwards. I thought what I wrote was obvious considering where we came from but clearly I needed to remember specifics matter.
I'll also add townsend. Not sure why we bothered with that when Davis can be walking backwards and we still don't sub him for townsend. Buy someone who the manager can trust to do a job. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 21:02]
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| Important not to overreact on 21:02 - Dec 22 with 1425 views | itfcjoe |
| Important not to overreact on 20:59 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
It fills the most of the squad list. Esp when you remove phillips who's on loan.
As said. I didn't specifically mean 90% I didn't mean literally was more that basically all bar davis and hutchinson from our promotion winning sides will need to be replaced for us to move forwards. I thought what I wrote was obvious considering where we came from but clearly I needed to remember specifics matter.
I'll also add townsend. Not sure why we bothered with that when Davis can be walking backwards and we still don't sub him for townsend. Buy someone who the manager can trust to do a job. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 21:02]
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We made 12 signings this summer, 2 are on loan but it’s still 10 out of 27 that are new permanent signings | |
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| Important not to overreact on 21:04 - Dec 22 with 1411 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 21:02 - Dec 22 by itfcjoe |
We made 12 signings this summer, 2 are on loan but it’s still 10 out of 27 that are new permanent signings |
Yes I know as I said I didn't remember I needed to be accurate with % numbers and thought by saying thanks etc made it obvious who I was talking about. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 21:06 - Dec 22 with 1408 views | bazza |
| Important not to overreact on 17:08 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Correct.. but please can there at least be acknowledgement that we do need to say thank you but goodbye to 60/70% of our squad to move forwards.
( for clarity.. From those who got us promoted. ) [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 21:08]
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| Important not to overreact on 21:07 - Dec 22 with 1387 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 21:06 - Dec 22 by bazza |
90% 😂 |
OK I'll amend it. Clearly people take things to literal | |
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| Important not to overreact on 21:11 - Dec 22 with 1355 views | bazza |
| Important not to overreact on 21:07 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
OK I'll amend it. Clearly people take things to literal |
But you literally said 90% 😂.. I would Agree if we stay up.. there would be a very high percentage of players from the last two seasons who would get moved on tho. Just maybe not 90% | | | |
| Important not to overreact on 21:13 - Dec 22 with 1341 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Important not to overreact on 21:07 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
OK I'll amend it. Clearly people take things to literal |
Too literal you mean.
So you don't mean what you say.
That would explain an awful lot and paint you in a better light |  | | |
| Important not to overreact on 21:14 - Dec 22 with 1337 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 21:11 - Dec 22 by bazza |
But you literally said 90% 😂.. I would Agree if we stay up.. there would be a very high percentage of players from the last two seasons who would get moved on tho. Just maybe not 90% |
Yes I know what I said but I thought I'd make it clear who I was talking about which took up a very large number of our squad list hence i just threw in a big % number. As said I forgot to be specific. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 21:18 - Dec 22 with 1317 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 21:13 - Dec 22 by reusersfreekicks |
Too literal you mean.
So you don't mean what you say.
That would explain an awful lot and paint you in a better light |
I've made it quite clear over the time that i don't portray what I mean very well. Most who are happy to appreciate that and work with me to understand what I'm trying to get at. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 21:31 - Dec 22 with 1251 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Important not to overreact on 21:04 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes I know as I said I didn't remember I needed to be accurate with % numbers and thought by saying thanks etc made it obvious who I was talking about. |
You referred to the ‘squad’, and doubled down on that in a latter post
“… that's close to 90% of the squad no?”
So yes, being precise in saying what you mean is important.
Now that you’ve clarified what you meant, it makes much more sense, and I’d agree is a reasonable assertion. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 21:54]
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| Important not to overreact on 22:22 - Dec 22 with 1195 views | NeedhamChris |
*2 spots | |
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| Important not to overreact on 23:08 - Dec 22 with 1148 views | vinceg |
| Important not to overreact on 21:18 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I've made it quite clear over the time that i don't portray what I mean very well. Most who are happy to appreciate that and work with me to understand what I'm trying to get at. |
So putting it another way, IF we go down, which players from our current squad will be of interest to Prem teams for the 2025/26 season?
Perhaps the promoted teams may go after a few, in the same way that we signed Muric, O'Shea and Ogbene from Burnley and Luton, but Delap is probably the only one who better Prem teams will be interested in.
Still think we can stay up though, low 30s points will be sufficient. |  | | |
| Important not to overreact on 23:11 - Dec 22 with 1138 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 23:08 - Dec 22 by vinceg |
So putting it another way, IF we go down, which players from our current squad will be of interest to Prem teams for the 2025/26 season?
Perhaps the promoted teams may go after a few, in the same way that we signed Muric, O'Shea and Ogbene from Burnley and Luton, but Delap is probably the only one who better Prem teams will be interested in.
Still think we can stay up though, low 30s points will be sufficient. |
Interesting question.
Delap
Davis
Hutchinson
I don't think we've seen enough of most of the newbies to know if they would be of interest. Burgess is keeping a 15 mill singing out of the side. Is that because Burgess has been solid or because greaves randomly became dodgy the moment oshea walked in the door. So weird that one. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 23:15 - Dec 22 with 1133 views | Libero |
| Important not to overreact on 23:11 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Interesting question.
Delap
Davis
Hutchinson
I don't think we've seen enough of most of the newbies to know if they would be of interest. Burgess is keeping a 15 mill singing out of the side. Is that because Burgess has been solid or because greaves randomly became dodgy the moment oshea walked in the door. So weird that one. |
Have you seen much of us this season?
Cameron Burgess has been collosus- he’s actually really improved his game with the ball at his feet too. I’m not really sure that characterising Greaves as ‘dodgy’ is particularly fair, I appreciate he made an error VS Aston Villa and had an unfortunate slip against Crystal Palace but Greaves is a potential England international in the making, I’m sure once he’s had a run of games and has achieved a reasonable level of match fitness he will be back to looking the rolls Royce of a player he is. |  | | |
| Important not to overreact on 23:20 - Dec 22 with 1120 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 23:15 - Dec 22 by Libero |
Have you seen much of us this season?
Cameron Burgess has been collosus- he’s actually really improved his game with the ball at his feet too. I’m not really sure that characterising Greaves as ‘dodgy’ is particularly fair, I appreciate he made an error VS Aston Villa and had an unfortunate slip against Crystal Palace but Greaves is a potential England international in the making, I’m sure once he’s had a run of games and has achieved a reasonable level of match fitness he will be back to looking the rolls Royce of a player he is. |
Yes I have. I have also applauded Burgess efforts. KM clearly still didn't feel he was good enough tho as greaves was put in v palace despite Burgess being OK and playing well.
With greaves it's not just two isolated incidents. He literally looked like the best defender I'd seen since prime Berra, but he suddenly looked really ropey when oshea came in and not been seen the same ever since. Obv that's not to say he won't be.. but it's not enough right now to say for sure he'd be a prem target if we went down which was the question. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:22]
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| Important not to overreact on 23:28 - Dec 22 with 1102 views | pointofblue |
| Important not to overreact on 23:20 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes I have. I have also applauded Burgess efforts. KM clearly still didn't feel he was good enough tho as greaves was put in v palace despite Burgess being OK and playing well.
With greaves it's not just two isolated incidents. He literally looked like the best defender I'd seen since prime Berra, but he suddenly looked really ropey when oshea came in and not been seen the same ever since. Obv that's not to say he won't be.. but it's not enough right now to say for sure he'd be a prem target if we went down which was the question. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:22]
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I do find it interesting Greaves looked more comfortable alongside Woolfenden than O'Shea. Possibly because he had time to get used to playing with the former. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 23:35 - Dec 22 with 1091 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 23:28 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
I do find it interesting Greaves looked more comfortable alongside Woolfenden than O'Shea. Possibly because he had time to get used to playing with the former. |
Of course. I too mentioned he also lost Sammy as davis cover and was playing with j clarke more so may have had something to do with it too.. but he just went from looking Immense and an absolute steal at 15 Mill to which of our lcbs was worth 15 mill. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 23:43 - Dec 22 with 1076 views | vinceg |
| Important not to overreact on 23:28 - Dec 22 by pointofblue |
I do find it interesting Greaves looked more comfortable alongside Woolfenden than O'Shea. Possibly because he had time to get used to playing with the former. |
Would like to see all of Burgess, O'Shea and Greaves playing, but that opens up a whole new can of worms, which has been discussed elsewhere! | | | |
| Important not to overreact on 23:59 - Dec 22 with 1053 views | Libero |
| Important not to overreact on 23:20 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes I have. I have also applauded Burgess efforts. KM clearly still didn't feel he was good enough tho as greaves was put in v palace despite Burgess being OK and playing well.
With greaves it's not just two isolated incidents. He literally looked like the best defender I'd seen since prime Berra, but he suddenly looked really ropey when oshea came in and not been seen the same ever since. Obv that's not to say he won't be.. but it's not enough right now to say for sure he'd be a prem target if we went down which was the question. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:22]
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What a weird assumption to make on Kieran McKenna’s part…
Greaves was/is returning to fitness and McKenna decided to play him in a period where we had multiple games coming up in a relatively short time frame- I think insinuating Greaves playing was in someway a lack of faith towards Burgess is baseless speculation and simplistic.
Wholly disagree with your last paragraph, seems you’ve just decided he’s ‘dodgy’ and are *reaching* for justification. [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 0:01]
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| Important not to overreact on 00:10 - Dec 23 with 1028 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 23:59 - Dec 22 by Libero |
What a weird assumption to make on Kieran McKenna’s part…
Greaves was/is returning to fitness and McKenna decided to play him in a period where we had multiple games coming up in a relatively short time frame- I think insinuating Greaves playing was in someway a lack of faith towards Burgess is baseless speculation and simplistic.
Wholly disagree with your last paragraph, seems you’ve just decided he’s ‘dodgy’ and are *reaching* for justification. [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 0:01]
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Why would I decide his dodgy when I really liked him. As someone else pointed out his form changed.it was odd.
The Burgess bit. It's not much of a reach to say KM put his signing back in because he felt greaves would be better. He signed him because he felt he was. Played him until he got injured and then played him when he was fit. I reckon we may seen him again on Friday actually. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 00:25 - Dec 23 with 990 views | Libero |
| Important not to overreact on 00:10 - Dec 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Why would I decide his dodgy when I really liked him. As someone else pointed out his form changed.it was odd.
The Burgess bit. It's not much of a reach to say KM put his signing back in because he felt greaves would be better. He signed him because he felt he was. Played him until he got injured and then played him when he was fit. I reckon we may seen him again on Friday actually. |
I’ve no idea, you say a number of contradictory things that I can’t quite grasp, maybe it’s a me problem. | | | |
| Important not to overreact on 00:26 - Dec 23 with 985 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 00:25 - Dec 23 by Libero |
I’ve no idea, you say a number of contradictory things that I can’t quite grasp, maybe it’s a me problem. |
Think it maybe on this matter as I say another poster noted the change in performance level so it wasn't just me. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 00:31 - Dec 23 with 981 views | Libero |
| Important not to overreact on 00:26 - Dec 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Think it maybe on this matter as I say another poster noted the change in performance level so it wasn't just me. |
Haven’t seen anyone else describe Greaves as ‘dodgy’ tbf but there we go! | | | |
| Important not to overreact on 00:34 - Dec 23 with 970 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Important not to overreact on 00:31 - Dec 23 by Libero |
Haven’t seen anyone else describe Greaves as ‘dodgy’ tbf but there we go! |
Ah I see. Another like reuser playing a game.
Fk it. Just ignoring you lot now. Go find someone else to target. | |
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| Important not to overreact on 00:59 - Dec 23 with 926 views | Libero |
| Important not to overreact on 00:34 - Dec 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Ah I see. Another like reuser playing a game.
Fk it. Just ignoring you lot now. Go find someone else to target. |
No idea what ‘game’ you’re talking about and I’m not sure who ‘you lot’ are, I’m just discussing the nuances of Ipswich Town Football Club- this is all a bit much. | | | |
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