| Trying to think long-term and big picture 09:43 - Dec 28 with 1632 views | ringwoodblue |
So we know that all three promoted teams got relegated from the PL last season and two of the three previously relegated teams went straight back up. Assuming the same happens this season and we go down with Soton and Leicester and Burnley and Sheff Utd go straight back up (with Leeds also going up), we are looking at one, possibly two seasons in the Championship before we get promoted again and have another crack at the PL.
We are already one season ahead of schedule based on what I’m sure Ashton, McKenna and the owners planned and although they were hoping we could stay up once promoted, the players we bought over the summer suggest they were also contingency planning by building a very good Championship squad (minus Phillips, Cajuste and Delap who will go)
Only two seasons ago, we were neck and neck with Plymouth and look where they are now - probably getting relegated to L1 again.
Although we’d all love to stay up this season, if we don’t, we will come back stronger in one or two years time and in the meantime we get to play in the Championship which is, in my opinion, far better and more exciting than the PL. |  |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:06 - Dec 28 with 1516 views | backwaywhen |
It’s the hope that kills you ! |  | | |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:15 - Dec 28 with 1483 views | Scuzzer |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:06 - Dec 28 by backwaywhen |
It’s the hope that kills you ! |
Since I gave up hope I feel a lot better. |  |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:20 - Dec 28 with 1457 views | ITFCSG |
There is no guarantee that even if we go down we would be a force in the Championship next season, especially with the expected departures of Phillips and Cajuste (end of loan), Davis, Delap (sold) and Luongo. Figure out maybe another 2-3 departures we would be back with a squad possibly weaker than the one we had last season
For every Burnley/Sheff Utd/Fulham/Bournemouth there's also the Hull City/Luton/Boro/Sunderland. Yoyo-ing didn't help the scum much either
Ashton should have gambled with FFP a la Forest in the summer and go all out signing experienced players with top-flight exeprience. A £10 million difference means a vast improvement in quality. Just compare Ramsdale / Kelleher vs Muric. Or J Clarke v Gibbs-White. That is possibly the only way a non-parachute club promoted to the Prem could realistically stay up. Look where they are now. Just like what I said in a previous post, if breaking FFP and getting 5, 8 new quality players in ensures our Prem survival at a cost of a 2 or 4 point deduction next season I'd gladly take up the offer. | | | |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:23 - Dec 28 with 1419 views | Blue_Heath |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:20 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
There is no guarantee that even if we go down we would be a force in the Championship next season, especially with the expected departures of Phillips and Cajuste (end of loan), Davis, Delap (sold) and Luongo. Figure out maybe another 2-3 departures we would be back with a squad possibly weaker than the one we had last season
For every Burnley/Sheff Utd/Fulham/Bournemouth there's also the Hull City/Luton/Boro/Sunderland. Yoyo-ing didn't help the scum much either
Ashton should have gambled with FFP a la Forest in the summer and go all out signing experienced players with top-flight exeprience. A £10 million difference means a vast improvement in quality. Just compare Ramsdale / Kelleher vs Muric. Or J Clarke v Gibbs-White. That is possibly the only way a non-parachute club promoted to the Prem could realistically stay up. Look where they are now. Just like what I said in a previous post, if breaking FFP and getting 5, 8 new quality players in ensures our Prem survival at a cost of a 2 or 4 point deduction next season I'd gladly take up the offer. |
Are our players really that saleable? Not sure any established prem clubs would buy anyone based on current form. Luton had similar players Doughty/Morris they are still at Luton. | | | |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:30 - Dec 28 with 1375 views | ITFCSG |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:23 - Dec 28 by Blue_Heath |
Are our players really that saleable? Not sure any established prem clubs would buy anyone based on current form. Luton had similar players Doughty/Morris they are still at Luton. |
IMHO Prem clubs may look at Davis and Delap to warm their benches. Similar to Villa buying Philogene or Wet Spam signing Summerville. The rest most clubs wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole. | | | |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:31 - Dec 28 with 1343 views | Churchman |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:20 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
There is no guarantee that even if we go down we would be a force in the Championship next season, especially with the expected departures of Phillips and Cajuste (end of loan), Davis, Delap (sold) and Luongo. Figure out maybe another 2-3 departures we would be back with a squad possibly weaker than the one we had last season
For every Burnley/Sheff Utd/Fulham/Bournemouth there's also the Hull City/Luton/Boro/Sunderland. Yoyo-ing didn't help the scum much either
Ashton should have gambled with FFP a la Forest in the summer and go all out signing experienced players with top-flight exeprience. A £10 million difference means a vast improvement in quality. Just compare Ramsdale / Kelleher vs Muric. Or J Clarke v Gibbs-White. That is possibly the only way a non-parachute club promoted to the Prem could realistically stay up. Look where they are now. Just like what I said in a previous post, if breaking FFP and getting 5, 8 new quality players in ensures our Prem survival at a cost of a 2 or 4 point deduction next season I'd gladly take up the offer. |
There is no guarantee we won’t be a force either.
Ramsdale? That’ll be the Ramsdale wearing a flat cap in the stands for his £18m plus £7m add ons for Southampton at the bottom of the table. Whoopee.
Ashton should not gamble with FFP. What Forest and co do re cheating the rules is their affair. I don’t like it, don’t agree with it and don’t want my club gambling in this way.
Do it our way, do it properly. |  | | |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:33 - Dec 28 with 1321 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:20 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
There is no guarantee that even if we go down we would be a force in the Championship next season, especially with the expected departures of Phillips and Cajuste (end of loan), Davis, Delap (sold) and Luongo. Figure out maybe another 2-3 departures we would be back with a squad possibly weaker than the one we had last season
For every Burnley/Sheff Utd/Fulham/Bournemouth there's also the Hull City/Luton/Boro/Sunderland. Yoyo-ing didn't help the scum much either
Ashton should have gambled with FFP a la Forest in the summer and go all out signing experienced players with top-flight exeprience. A £10 million difference means a vast improvement in quality. Just compare Ramsdale / Kelleher vs Muric. Or J Clarke v Gibbs-White. That is possibly the only way a non-parachute club promoted to the Prem could realistically stay up. Look where they are now. Just like what I said in a previous post, if breaking FFP and getting 5, 8 new quality players in ensures our Prem survival at a cost of a 2 or 4 point deduction next season I'd gladly take up the offer. |
This is the hardest part about the discussion of the 100 mill spend and if it was spent well.
Many say we couldn't attract anyone.. why. The KM project was big. 2 promotions. Attractive owners. Club in a massive upward movement.. yet all we could attract were the top of the championship stat table?... |  |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:33 - Dec 28 with 1323 views | chicoazul |
Don’t imagine McK will be here next season one way or the other, be interesting to see who the Yanks appoint. I’m worried it’ll be I dunno Thierry Henry or someone. |  |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:35 - Dec 28 with 1280 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:33 - Dec 28 by chicoazul |
Don’t imagine McK will be here next season one way or the other, be interesting to see who the Yanks appoint. I’m worried it’ll be I dunno Thierry Henry or someone. |
Nah Ashton will make that decision.
I reckon it'll be the sheff wed manager | |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 11:04 - Dec 28 with 1175 views | davblue |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:33 - Dec 28 by FrimleyBlue |
This is the hardest part about the discussion of the 100 mill spend and if it was spent well.
Many say we couldn't attract anyone.. why. The KM project was big. 2 promotions. Attractive owners. Club in a massive upward movement.. yet all we could attract were the top of the championship stat table?... |
Don’t forget Ipswich hadn’t been in the prem for 22 years so a number of younger players wouldn’t be massively aware of us unless they were a football nut.
Established prem players were going to be out of our range cost and wages.Doesnt sound like we are where we need to be in the foreign market yet either. |  | | |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 11:08 - Dec 28 with 1134 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 11:04 - Dec 28 by davblue |
Don’t forget Ipswich hadn’t been in the prem for 22 years so a number of younger players wouldn’t be massively aware of us unless they were a football nut.
Established prem players were going to be out of our range cost and wages.Doesnt sound like we are where we need to be in the foreign market yet either. |
Yeah I get it. Just seems odd that that was the best we could attract. Another sign at how big the gap is and what's wrong with the prem world where players would rather sit in the stands than join a promoted club to carry on playing.. | |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 12:03 - Dec 28 with 960 views | victorysquad |
| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 10:20 - Dec 28 by ITFCSG |
There is no guarantee that even if we go down we would be a force in the Championship next season, especially with the expected departures of Phillips and Cajuste (end of loan), Davis, Delap (sold) and Luongo. Figure out maybe another 2-3 departures we would be back with a squad possibly weaker than the one we had last season
For every Burnley/Sheff Utd/Fulham/Bournemouth there's also the Hull City/Luton/Boro/Sunderland. Yoyo-ing didn't help the scum much either
Ashton should have gambled with FFP a la Forest in the summer and go all out signing experienced players with top-flight exeprience. A £10 million difference means a vast improvement in quality. Just compare Ramsdale / Kelleher vs Muric. Or J Clarke v Gibbs-White. That is possibly the only way a non-parachute club promoted to the Prem could realistically stay up. Look where they are now. Just like what I said in a previous post, if breaking FFP and getting 5, 8 new quality players in ensures our Prem survival at a cost of a 2 or 4 point deduction next season I'd gladly take up the offer. |
I agree with the sentiment that we need to stay up. We could easily end up in the Championship for another decade if we go down.
I don't think it is as easy as 'just signing experienced players' though, not ones that are any good. Why would an established premier league player want to come and play for a newly promoted club? I think there is a far bigger risk of us spending a lot of money on a load of duds if we did that, because we are only going to sign players other clubs don't want.
I think if we signed more players than we did, it would have been too hard to integrate them. I think we got it about right. The real question is what do we try and do in Jan, and I think largely we should stick with the strategy of signing young, up and coming players. We could do with a couple of strong loans (maybe from abroad) to help us too. But I don't think we are miles off, look at the difference Cunha makes to Wolves, 1 or 2 big loans could be enough to help get the points we need. | |
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| Trying to think long-term and big picture on 12:37 - Dec 28 with 894 views | bournemouthblue |
Finishing 17th has to be the priority, if we squeak into 17th by hook or by crook (Wolves are the crooks at the moment) then it's a job well done and we have a better chance of competing next season
We will be competive in the Championship but an immediate yo-yo isn't a guarantee, albeit we should take some hope from the Blunts and Burnley |  |
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