| Knife Crime 09:09 - Feb 4 with 4930 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Wasn't yesterday thoroughly depressing? This kid in Sheffield killed by a fellow pupil at school and another teenager sent down in Wales for stabbing two teachers.
They interviewed someone who had lost a son, (missed the start so no idea of the name), and she went down the rabbit hole of, "it's happening because the government have closed all the youth schemes and they've got nothing to do".
They were using that excuse for anti social behaviour when I was a teen, a number of years ago.
Knife carrying is clearly a growing issue, but is there an answer? More stop and search? Immediate custodial sentences. My lad is 17, and its a concern for me, I'm sure it is for everyone here with a teenage kid or kids. |  |
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| Knife Crime on 14:15 - Feb 4 with 1662 views | Ryorry |
| Knife Crime on 13:20 - Feb 4 by textbackup |
Watched a program featuring Idris Elba on BBC the other day. Was frightening.
Absolutely no idea what sort of freak needs to own one of these knives, if they can lock people up for nasty words on online surely throw the book at anyone found carrying a knife. |
Saw trailers of the IE documentary though didn’t see whole thing. His heart’s obviously in the right place, but his notion of selling kitchen knives only without points seems ridiculous, looking at the situation from the wrong end of the telescope - what next, cut stones and bricks down to pebbles?
As others said, the root causes need addressing. |  |
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| Knife Crime on 14:59 - Feb 4 with 1607 views | textbackup |
| Knife Crime on 14:07 - Feb 4 by tcblue |
I've admittedly never been white, but my experiences over the years of stop and search haven't made me feel particularly happy.
Do you really think stop and search is done based on reasonable suspicion? |
If reasonable suspicion is, for example, a group of 15-25 year olds hanging on estates/outside JD/mcdonalds, I’d say search them all, regardless of colour OR gender (read cases of boys getting girls to carry for them) |  |
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| Knife Crime on 15:21 - Feb 4 with 1582 views | NedPlimpton |
| Knife Crime on 14:59 - Feb 4 by textbackup |
If reasonable suspicion is, for example, a group of 15-25 year olds hanging on estates/outside JD/mcdonalds, I’d say search them all, regardless of colour OR gender (read cases of boys getting girls to carry for them) |
What's suspicious about hanging around???
Have you never been young? |  | | |
| Knife Crime on 19:31 - Feb 4 with 1506 views | tcblue |
| Knife Crime on 14:59 - Feb 4 by textbackup |
If reasonable suspicion is, for example, a group of 15-25 year olds hanging on estates/outside JD/mcdonalds, I’d say search them all, regardless of colour OR gender (read cases of boys getting girls to carry for them) |
It isn't, professor |  | | |
| Knife Crime on 19:59 - Feb 4 with 1479 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
| Knife Crime on 09:32 - Feb 4 by Basuco |
The entire UK is broken, cuts in police numbers over the last 15 years, cuts in courts and magistrates, make crime easier to get away with. Cuts in the number of teachers and teaching assistants make classroom education more difficult. Cuts in mental health services, child and adult make supporting and helping mental health issues more and more difficult. Put all that in the pot and you end up with big problems. Combined with the fact that nobody wants to pay to improve these public services through any form of taxation, least of all those on higher incomes who can afford it, you end up with a Country in crisis. |
It’s not just a IK thing. Here in USA the land of the guns. They have metal detectors as they enter schools and police monitoring the kids. Yet still they get guns into schools and other things. I’m not talking small hand guns,I’m talking AK47’s machine guns. Once again lack of out of school activities in my mind part of the issue.
My other feeling is video games are partly to blame. The kids get use to shooting to win games and they use the same tactics in real life. The kids here don’t know how to even communicate verbally with each other. |  | | |
| Knife Crime on 21:39 - Feb 4 with 1395 views | textbackup |
| Knife Crime on 15:21 - Feb 4 by NedPlimpton |
What's suspicious about hanging around???
Have you never been young? |
So let the police stop who they see fit.
Based on their intel, who they’ve seen person X hanging with before etc etc. | |
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| Knife Crime on 22:35 - Feb 4 with 1348 views | tcblue |
| Knife Crime on 21:39 - Feb 4 by textbackup |
So let the police stop who they see fit.
Based on their intel, who they’ve seen person X hanging with before etc etc. |
We tried that, and found that unfortunately, the police force is institutionally racist.
Not my words, those of senior officers, including the chairman of the NPC.
So, what's the next solution? | | | |
| Knife Crime on 23:18 - Feb 4 with 1294 views | lowhouseblue |
| Knife Crime on 22:35 - Feb 4 by tcblue |
We tried that, and found that unfortunately, the police force is institutionally racist.
Not my words, those of senior officers, including the chairman of the NPC.
So, what's the next solution? |
there isn't evidence that stop and search in its current form is racially prejudiced. |  |
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| Knife Crime on 00:30 - Feb 5 with 1239 views | Kievthegreat |
| Knife Crime on 23:18 - Feb 4 by lowhouseblue |
there isn't evidence that stop and search in its current form is racially prejudiced. |
That's odd, because the most recent review into the Met "confidently" asserted that there was evidence:
"Racial disparity continues in stop and search in London. This has been repeatedly confirmed in reports and research. Our Review corroborates these findings.
"In every year since 2016, those between 11 and 61 who appear to be Black have been at least 3.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the Met than their White counterparts.
"In the previous year, 1 in 4 Black males aged 15-24 in London were stopped and searched in a three-month period.217 This is broadly the same level of disproportionality described in the Macpherson Inquiry in 1999.
"Figures like these are neither new nor unreported. ENOUGH EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS EXISTS TO CONFIDENTLY LABEL STOP AND SEARCH AS A RACIALISED TOOL."
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-ca [Post edited 5 Feb 0:31]
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| Knife Crime on 13:54 - Feb 5 with 1101 views | lowhouseblue |
| Knife Crime on 00:30 - Feb 5 by Kievthegreat |
That's odd, because the most recent review into the Met "confidently" asserted that there was evidence:
"Racial disparity continues in stop and search in London. This has been repeatedly confirmed in reports and research. Our Review corroborates these findings.
"In every year since 2016, those between 11 and 61 who appear to be Black have been at least 3.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the Met than their White counterparts.
"In the previous year, 1 in 4 Black males aged 15-24 in London were stopped and searched in a three-month period.217 This is broadly the same level of disproportionality described in the Macpherson Inquiry in 1999.
"Figures like these are neither new nor unreported. ENOUGH EVIDENCE AND ANALYSIS EXISTS TO CONFIDENTLY LABEL STOP AND SEARCH AS A RACIALISED TOOL."
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-ca [Post edited 5 Feb 0:31]
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just quoting different rates by ethnicity doesn't prove disproportionality. variations in stop and search rates are primarily determined by age and geography. people who live in areas where knife and drug crime is high, and are in the age group most commonly committing knife and drug crimes, are most likely to be stopped. that explains the different rates and race alone is not now proven to be the causal factor. | |
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| Knife Crime on 11:22 - Feb 6 with 916 views | Libero |
I considered getting involved in this thread with an indepth reply, but there's far too many entrenched problematic views being shared, especially around stop and search.
What I will say, is that I've worked with young people who carry knives, for various charities/community interest companies/not for profit organisations- it's a very complex issue that clearly many struggle to grasp when compared to their own life experiences and what they see around them.
It's an objective fact that the last 20 years of government policies and the withdrawl of funding/resources for various communities plays a *huge* part in the increase in knife crime. |  | | |
| Knife Crime on 11:33 - Feb 6 with 894 views | tcblue |
| Knife Crime on 11:22 - Feb 6 by Libero |
I considered getting involved in this thread with an indepth reply, but there's far too many entrenched problematic views being shared, especially around stop and search.
What I will say, is that I've worked with young people who carry knives, for various charities/community interest companies/not for profit organisations- it's a very complex issue that clearly many struggle to grasp when compared to their own life experiences and what they see around them.
It's an objective fact that the last 20 years of government policies and the withdrawl of funding/resources for various communities plays a *huge* part in the increase in knife crime. |
It sounds like you're uniquely (better) placed to get involved than anyone else.
Thank you for doing community work, it must be tough (and hopefully sometimes rewarding) | | | |
| Knife Crime on 11:36 - Feb 6 with 885 views | Bogblue |
| Knife Crime on 11:22 - Feb 6 by Libero |
I considered getting involved in this thread with an indepth reply, but there's far too many entrenched problematic views being shared, especially around stop and search.
What I will say, is that I've worked with young people who carry knives, for various charities/community interest companies/not for profit organisations- it's a very complex issue that clearly many struggle to grasp when compared to their own life experiences and what they see around them.
It's an objective fact that the last 20 years of government policies and the withdrawl of funding/resources for various communities plays a *huge* part in the increase in knife crime. |
So a well informed contribution by someone like yourself who's worked in that field would be particularly welcome! | | | |
| Knife Crime on 11:41 - Feb 6 with 858 views | Libero |
| Knife Crime on 11:33 - Feb 6 by tcblue |
It sounds like you're uniquely (better) placed to get involved than anyone else.
Thank you for doing community work, it must be tough (and hopefully sometimes rewarding) |
Maybe? I'd argue the best placed person to speak would be a person who has been a young person who has held a knife and can articulate about their experience.
Appreciate that mate, but while I do have relevant experience pertinent to the conversation it was what seems like an age ago now- another reason I decided to skip going in deep.
Think many years ago, I spoke on here about being held at knife point at work- that was doing one of these roles while supporting kids in care transitioning to independent living. When you say "communities" people think almost exclusively of race/religion/etc - but young people in care must also be considered,
they've been fundamentally let down in every single way.
The "care review" carried out a couple of years ago was a total disrespect to those in care and those caring for vulnerable young people.
I've not kept up to date with anything *professionally* since then, as I no longer work in the sector, although in my personal life, I am a carer for two vulnerable teenagers who are precisely the demographic at risk of becoming a part of knife crime and surrounding exploitation. [Post edited 6 Feb 11:46]
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| Knife Crime on 11:43 - Feb 6 with 851 views | badadski |
| Knife Crime on 11:33 - Feb 6 by tcblue |
It sounds like you're uniquely (better) placed to get involved than anyone else.
Thank you for doing community work, it must be tough (and hopefully sometimes rewarding) |
I was thinking about this yesterday, this is not based on fact, just my own thoughts as have an eleven year old that worry about and think about what should i be teaching him or helping him with if the unfortunate situation ever cropped up.
A lot looks to be culturally motivated, its doesn't take a big leap when you look at the majority of the key offenders to see are from a ethnic or depraved back ground with no doubt and upbringing in a violent household or depraved household with no/limited parental guidance/support. A lot seems to systemic of gang culture/drugs - Americanised Wannabes with no access to guns so resort to knives instead to prove themselves in front of no doubt criminal peers.
The last thought i had is the most recent stabbing had a knife support group or anti violence group visit the school prior to this happening. I am not sure if this a positive or a negative, the more publicity and speaking goes on around the subject the more widespread it becomes. Are we helping to grow this epidemic by going on about it so much? No Facts here but again just my thoughts as remember a criminology program saying that if their was a serial killer on the loose their was more likely a higher chance that multiple others would start up also after hearing or watching on the news. | | | |
| Knife Crime on 11:44 - Feb 6 with 850 views | DJR |
| Knife Crime on 11:22 - Feb 6 by Libero |
I considered getting involved in this thread with an indepth reply, but there's far too many entrenched problematic views being shared, especially around stop and search.
What I will say, is that I've worked with young people who carry knives, for various charities/community interest companies/not for profit organisations- it's a very complex issue that clearly many struggle to grasp when compared to their own life experiences and what they see around them.
It's an objective fact that the last 20 years of government policies and the withdrawl of funding/resources for various communities plays a *huge* part in the increase in knife crime. |
Glasgow traditionally had an issue with knife and other similar crime (eg. the Glasgow razor gangs of the 1920s and 30s ) but has managed to turn the tide.
https://theweek.com/100066/how-glasgow-is-beating-knife-crime
I think there have been attempts to follow the approach in England but it doesn't seem to be having much effect.
Do you have any insight into this? Or maybe it is just the case that Scotland has put more resources into the problem. [Post edited 6 Feb 11:47]
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| Knife Crime on 11:49 - Feb 6 with 820 views | Libero |
| Knife Crime on 11:44 - Feb 6 by DJR |
Glasgow traditionally had an issue with knife and other similar crime (eg. the Glasgow razor gangs of the 1920s and 30s ) but has managed to turn the tide.
https://theweek.com/100066/how-glasgow-is-beating-knife-crime
I think there have been attempts to follow the approach in England but it doesn't seem to be having much effect.
Do you have any insight into this? Or maybe it is just the case that Scotland has put more resources into the problem. [Post edited 6 Feb 11:47]
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I think Darren McGarvey often speaks well on this subject in particular and has some lived experience.
He's done some fantastic documentaries that are well worth watching.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/loki-glasgow-knife-crime_uk_5ace6044e4b06 [Post edited 6 Feb 11:57]
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| Knife Crime on 12:58 - Feb 6 with 728 views | DJR |
Yes, I've seen some of his documentaries on other subjects. [Post edited 6 Feb 12:59]
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