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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder 13:43 - Feb 4 with 2712 viewsElderGrizzly

Could end up being one of the biggest medical miscarriages of justice in the world.

Currently serving 15 life sentences and yet could be innocent with no evidence found according to an international review panel

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/04/no-medical-evidence-to-support-l
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:49 - Feb 4 with 2654 viewsJakeITFC

The original conviction and trial just looks more strange as time goes by, with a lot of weight placed on the opinion of a few people who seemingly don't know what they were talking about.

Whatever the outcome it must be horrendous for the parents of the children involved to have it dragged through the courts again, but obviously is the right thing to happen if it is needed. Either way I don't think the hospital or NHS will come out of this particularly well.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:52 - Feb 4 with 2636 viewsElderGrizzly

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:49 - Feb 4 by JakeITFC

The original conviction and trial just looks more strange as time goes by, with a lot of weight placed on the opinion of a few people who seemingly don't know what they were talking about.

Whatever the outcome it must be horrendous for the parents of the children involved to have it dragged through the courts again, but obviously is the right thing to happen if it is needed. Either way I don't think the hospital or NHS will come out of this particularly well.


As a dad of two young kids and one who spent a decent amount of time in hospital, I can't imagine what the parents here are going through. You put your trust 100% in those nurses and doctors :(

However, if the hospital and senior consultants are to blame and finding a convenient scapegoat, there should be life sentences the other way.

Letby's case isn't helped of course in the public eye, as her case has been hijacked by the grifting far-right.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:56 - Feb 4 with 2585 viewsRyorry

Really good that this was from an international panel.

Like many on here (previous threads) have been following the case but hadn’t seen this, so thanks for posting. Hope the truth & real justice are achieved.

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:56 - Feb 4 with 2579 viewsBlueschev

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:52 - Feb 4 by ElderGrizzly

As a dad of two young kids and one who spent a decent amount of time in hospital, I can't imagine what the parents here are going through. You put your trust 100% in those nurses and doctors :(

However, if the hospital and senior consultants are to blame and finding a convenient scapegoat, there should be life sentences the other way.

Letby's case isn't helped of course in the public eye, as her case has been hijacked by the grifting far-right.
[Post edited 4 Feb 13:53]


Have the far-right hijacked her case? I'd not seen that. What is their angle?
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:13 - Feb 4 with 2470 viewsElderGrizzly

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:56 - Feb 4 by Blueschev

Have the far-right hijacked her case? I'd not seen that. What is their angle?


People like Dan Wootton, Laurence Fox, the fake preacher etc have been going on for months that "their research" shows she is innocent.
Now, they might now be right, but their not the expert panel you'd want on your side.

Dan Wootton who used to stalk people for nude photos in the Sun and was fired from GB News for being inappropriate. He's your advocate...

They appear to have spun it as the latest Government conspiracy since the trial and I'm sure it won't be long before it's all Starmer's fault.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:35 - Feb 4 with 2313 viewsBlueschev

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:13 - Feb 4 by ElderGrizzly

People like Dan Wootton, Laurence Fox, the fake preacher etc have been going on for months that "their research" shows she is innocent.
Now, they might now be right, but their not the expert panel you'd want on your side.

Dan Wootton who used to stalk people for nude photos in the Sun and was fired from GB News for being inappropriate. He's your advocate...

They appear to have spun it as the latest Government conspiracy since the trial and I'm sure it won't be long before it's all Starmer's fault.


I've never heard of the fake preacher, but the other two are certainly vile. It's certainly an odd case for them to attached themselves to.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:42 - Feb 4 with 2292 viewsBlueBadger

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:49 - Feb 4 by JakeITFC

The original conviction and trial just looks more strange as time goes by, with a lot of weight placed on the opinion of a few people who seemingly don't know what they were talking about.

Whatever the outcome it must be horrendous for the parents of the children involved to have it dragged through the courts again, but obviously is the right thing to happen if it is needed. Either way I don't think the hospital or NHS will come out of this particularly well.


Oh yeah, regardless of where we end up with her conviction the way the Trust management behaving is both appalling and depressingly predictable.

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:44 - Feb 4 with 2271 viewsRyorry

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:49 - Feb 4 by JakeITFC

The original conviction and trial just looks more strange as time goes by, with a lot of weight placed on the opinion of a few people who seemingly don't know what they were talking about.

Whatever the outcome it must be horrendous for the parents of the children involved to have it dragged through the courts again, but obviously is the right thing to happen if it is needed. Either way I don't think the hospital or NHS will come out of this particularly well.


Not unlike the Louise Woodward trial in the USA, a 3-episode documentary on which was rerun last night on C4 'The Killer Nanny: Did She Do It?'?

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-killer-nanny-did-she-do-it?cntsrc=social

Before that, all the furores over ‘Shaken Baby Syndrome’ - still controversial and unproven as a theory. And before that, ‘cot deaths’ (medical causes now accepted). Didn’t stop innocent people (mostly women iirc) ending up in the dock accused of murder.

If doctors can’t agree on their various unproven theories, how/why on earth are justice systems still entrusting the futures of the accused to lay people?

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:46 - Feb 4 with 2265 viewsElderGrizzly

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:35 - Feb 4 by Blueschev

I've never heard of the fake preacher, but the other two are certainly vile. It's certainly an odd case for them to attached themselves to.


Agree. It's odd.

Calvin Robinson is the fake preacher. Was at various Trump rallies with Fox and was also fired from GB News.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:52 - Feb 4 with 2216 viewsRyorry

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:42 - Feb 4 by BlueBadger

Oh yeah, regardless of where we end up with her conviction the way the Trust management behaving is both appalling and depressingly predictable.


It was noteworthy I think that the majority of nurses in Letby’s own hospital supported her, citing plenty of serious problems with that neo-natal ward in particular, including the crucial back-flow of water contaminated with faecal matter into the hand-washing basins (plumbers having been called in regularly over lengthy period).

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:58 - Feb 4 with 2164 viewsitfc48

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:35 - Feb 4 by Blueschev

I've never heard of the fake preacher, but the other two are certainly vile. It's certainly an odd case for them to attached themselves to.


It's a chance for them to stick a knife into the establishment.

When I first heard the headlines about the case I assumed they had colleagues witnessing the acts. The fact how they ruled out certain cases but pushed others purely based on data was fishy. Also if they were so certain of the conviction they should have allowed the defence to call medical experts. It certainly didn't meet the definition of a fair trial.
It's hard to see how there can't now be a retrial and serious questions asked of the trust.

Yes, there is the evidence of her diary however that could quite easily be the result of a psychological breakdown after people made her believe she was at fault.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:06 - Feb 4 with 2124 viewsRyorry

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 14:58 - Feb 4 by itfc48

It's a chance for them to stick a knife into the establishment.

When I first heard the headlines about the case I assumed they had colleagues witnessing the acts. The fact how they ruled out certain cases but pushed others purely based on data was fishy. Also if they were so certain of the conviction they should have allowed the defence to call medical experts. It certainly didn't meet the definition of a fair trial.
It's hard to see how there can't now be a retrial and serious questions asked of the trust.

Yes, there is the evidence of her diary however that could quite easily be the result of a psychological breakdown after people made her believe she was at fault.


Just to reiterate out a couple of factual points -

The defence were allowed to put medical experts on the stand but (bafflingly) chose not to call them.

Letby’s diary writings were a direct result of sessions with a therapist telling her to explore all her reactions to what she was going through during the trial.

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:12 - Feb 4 with 2075 viewsblueasfook

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:06 - Feb 4 by Ryorry

Just to reiterate out a couple of factual points -

The defence were allowed to put medical experts on the stand but (bafflingly) chose not to call them.

Letby’s diary writings were a direct result of sessions with a therapist telling her to explore all her reactions to what she was going through during the trial.


Her hand written notes were found by police when she was first arrested. Long before the trial. If you're going to present things as "factual" then they probably should be correct.

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:15 - Feb 4 with 2021 viewsRyorry

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:12 - Feb 4 by blueasfook

Her hand written notes were found by police when she was first arrested. Long before the trial. If you're going to present things as "factual" then they probably should be correct.


Hadn't been aware of any "hand written notes" separate from the diary.

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:20 - Feb 4 with 1992 viewsblueasfook

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:15 - Feb 4 by Ryorry

Hadn't been aware of any "hand written notes" separate from the diary.


Oh just the hand written notes on which she'd wrote "i killed them. I'm evil". Nothing of any importance.

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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:32 - Feb 4 with 1913 viewsmonkeymagic

For those that are interested in getting a fuller insight beyond what a newspaper article can provide, check out www.judiciary.co.uk
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:50 - Feb 4 with 1812 viewsRyorry

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:20 - Feb 4 by blueasfook

Oh just the hand written notes on which she'd wrote "i killed them. I'm evil". Nothing of any importance.


Which were part of the writings that the therapy services had advised her to do, as I previously said. (Edit: - I may have got the timing wrong & it was pre-trial, but that she was advised to do as I said is on the record).

As per the documentary that I think we've both seen.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 16:04 - Feb 4 with 1716 viewsBlueschev

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 15:20 - Feb 4 by blueasfook

Oh just the hand written notes on which she'd wrote "i killed them. I'm evil". Nothing of any importance.


As one of the key pieces of evidence, that seems incredibly thin. I am not going to pretend I know enough about the case to have a definitive opinion, but their seems to be enough knowledgeable people questioning the verdict to justify the case being reviewed.
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 03:34 - Feb 5 with 1042 viewsHugoagogo_Reborn

Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 16:04 - Feb 4 by Blueschev

As one of the key pieces of evidence, that seems incredibly thin. I am not going to pretend I know enough about the case to have a definitive opinion, but their seems to be enough knowledgeable people questioning the verdict to justify the case being reviewed.


Certainly a seminal case in the British Justice system.



For justice's sake, I hope they can get this right. Nobody wins, though...
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Lucy Letby murder case - no medical evidence found of murder on 13:52 - Feb 4 by ElderGrizzly

As a dad of two young kids and one who spent a decent amount of time in hospital, I can't imagine what the parents here are going through. You put your trust 100% in those nurses and doctors :(

However, if the hospital and senior consultants are to blame and finding a convenient scapegoat, there should be life sentences the other way.

Letby's case isn't helped of course in the public eye, as her case has been hijacked by the grifting far-right.
[Post edited 4 Feb 13:53]


Hijacked by the far right, what do you mean by this ? ( genuine question, no needle intended ).
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