| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... 17:09 - Feb 15 with 7188 views | tractorboy1978 |
Has to be one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. |  | | |  |
| First yellow a terrible decision; in real-time I thought Axel had to foul... on 13:44 - Feb 17 with 824 views | unstableblue |
.... for the second (which was a definite yellow) as Ramsey was powering up to release a shot from the D with a high probability of a goal, hence Axel hauls him back - if not already on a yellow, perhaps a wise move. But watching the highlights, Cajuste was maybe going to come across to block.
I've seen refs who felt maybe they'd been a bit harsh, or borderline, on a first yellow, then not give the second. See Liverpool on Sunday.
Not only was the first yellow a good tackle... there had been two Villa fouls beforehand that could be deemed worse and stopped a break. |  |
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| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:45 - Feb 17 with 821 views | berkstractorboy |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:36 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
Yes, seemed a daft comment to me as well. Not overcomplicating things to have a look at yellow card decisions which lead to reds in the same manner as straight reds. |
Still don't get why there was no discussion about my earlier point. Not only are we punished for Sat but we are punished for a future game which the FA/PGMOL can 100% do something about if they know they made an error. | | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:54 - Feb 17 with 779 views | tonybied |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:45 - Feb 17 by berkstractorboy |
Still don't get why there was no discussion about my earlier point. Not only are we punished for Sat but we are punished for a future game which the FA/PGMOL can 100% do something about if they know they made an error. |
Not much of a discussion from our supporters on that front, I would imagine! I suspect all would be in 100% agreement, we're being punished twice for a refereeing mistake (for arguably the 3rd time this season) and it should definitely be something that's looked at by the FA! |  | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:58 - Feb 17 with 761 views | PhilTWTD |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:45 - Feb 17 by berkstractorboy |
Still don't get why there was no discussion about my earlier point. Not only are we punished for Sat but we are punished for a future game which the FA/PGMOL can 100% do something about if they know they made an error. |
Totally agree, there really should be some mechanism to overturn two bookable offence red cards. |  | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 14:13 - Feb 17 with 715 views | PassionNotAnger |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 13:58 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
Totally agree, there really should be some mechanism to overturn two bookable offence red cards. |
Understand that desire to overturn an injustice and I can understand the sense in VAR being used to assess/validate a potential 2nd yellow and that shouldn't take too long (the same as a review for potential red card)
But where the first one was wrong/soft - then I'm torn as surely the player concerned has some responsibility to ensure they don't get caught in a situation to get a second yellow? Having got an initial yellow whether it's fair or not then the player HAS to adjust their game accordingly? | | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 14:19 - Feb 17 with 695 views | berkstractorboy |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 14:13 - Feb 17 by PassionNotAnger |
Understand that desire to overturn an injustice and I can understand the sense in VAR being used to assess/validate a potential 2nd yellow and that shouldn't take too long (the same as a review for potential red card)
But where the first one was wrong/soft - then I'm torn as surely the player concerned has some responsibility to ensure they don't get caught in a situation to get a second yellow? Having got an initial yellow whether it's fair or not then the player HAS to adjust their game accordingly? |
I think Phil's comment is not about on the day, it would be good if they could review but I don't see they would change that unless VAR reviews all yellows. The point is post match the 2 yellows could be reviewed and if one is deemed to be an obvious error by the ref the subsequent ban is rescinded. In that case we are punished for Sat and that's life, don't punish us twice. Maybe Axel has to adjust but he didn't have an alternative really other than a very likely goal. To be fair all he does is have his hand on a should he doesn't look to push him or pull back, I think Ramsey made the most of the contact maybe knowing Axel was already on a yellow. | | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 15:14 - Feb 17 with 643 views | PhilTWTD |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 14:19 - Feb 17 by berkstractorboy |
I think Phil's comment is not about on the day, it would be good if they could review but I don't see they would change that unless VAR reviews all yellows. The point is post match the 2 yellows could be reviewed and if one is deemed to be an obvious error by the ref the subsequent ban is rescinded. In that case we are punished for Sat and that's life, don't punish us twice. Maybe Axel has to adjust but he didn't have an alternative really other than a very likely goal. To be fair all he does is have his hand on a should he doesn't look to push him or pull back, I think Ramsey made the most of the contact maybe knowing Axel was already on a yellow. |
I was talking about post-game overturnings of two bookable offence red cards, but I don't see that it's a stretch for VAR to look at both yellow cards if a player is red-carded in that manner. Straight reds are checked. As it stands at the moment, a player can get straight red-carded but his dismissal overturned by VAR but a player shown two yellows, both of which could be equally erroneous, and they go off even if it's very obvious the decisions were wrong. | | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 15:16 - Feb 17 with 638 views | tonybied |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 15:14 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
I was talking about post-game overturnings of two bookable offence red cards, but I don't see that it's a stretch for VAR to look at both yellow cards if a player is red-carded in that manner. Straight reds are checked. As it stands at the moment, a player can get straight red-carded but his dismissal overturned by VAR but a player shown two yellows, both of which could be equally erroneous, and they go off even if it's very obvious the decisions were wrong. |
It is an odd situation, as the end result is exactly the same! | | | |
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| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 17:14 - Feb 17 with 593 views | berkstractorboy |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 15:14 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
I was talking about post-game overturnings of two bookable offence red cards, but I don't see that it's a stretch for VAR to look at both yellow cards if a player is red-carded in that manner. Straight reds are checked. As it stands at the moment, a player can get straight red-carded but his dismissal overturned by VAR but a player shown two yellows, both of which could be equally erroneous, and they go off even if it's very obvious the decisions were wrong. |
I am talking about post game too.
Today I would be expecting Howard to call up Mark, "Great news Mark, we've had another look and we reckon Axel probably got a toe to the ball so the yellow card wasn't correct. Axel can play in the next game now. No hard feelings eh. Until the next fcuk up when we speak again. BTW Kieran shouldn't be saying my lovely employees are home team biased, he can serve the ban instead. Ciao" | | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 17:45 - Feb 17 with 575 views | Herbivore |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 15:14 - Feb 17 by PhilTWTD |
I was talking about post-game overturnings of two bookable offence red cards, but I don't see that it's a stretch for VAR to look at both yellow cards if a player is red-carded in that manner. Straight reds are checked. As it stands at the moment, a player can get straight red-carded but his dismissal overturned by VAR but a player shown two yellows, both of which could be equally erroneous, and they go off even if it's very obvious the decisions were wrong. |
I'd take only being unduly punished for 50 minutes over being unduly punished for 50 minutes plus a full game the following week, but also agree that they should review two yellows where it's so evident that one of them was a clear and obvious error. |  |
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| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 19:27 - Feb 17 with 513 views | Tractor_Boy333 |
I’m sure if it had been for one of the top teams it would have been in the media a lot more.
I completely agree with McKenna that the ref was desperate to get his yellow card out for a smaller team. It was a terrible decision and yes the second was a yellow card but how
did McGinn get away with 4-5 fowls and wasn’t carded.
The standard of officiating has been no better in the premiership all the officials are now too reliant on VAR but VAR officials now don’t want to intervene so we end up with some awful decisions or more important non decisions. | | | |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 10:18 - Feb 18 with 385 views | Bramidan |
| That first Tuanzebe yellow card... on 19:27 - Feb 17 by Tractor_Boy333 |
I’m sure if it had been for one of the top teams it would have been in the media a lot more.
I completely agree with McKenna that the ref was desperate to get his yellow card out for a smaller team. It was a terrible decision and yes the second was a yellow card but how
did McGinn get away with 4-5 fowls and wasn’t carded.
The standard of officiating has been no better in the premiership all the officials are now too reliant on VAR but VAR officials now don’t want to intervene so we end up with some awful decisions or more important non decisions. |
Well a massive helping of humble pie for me!!!!!!
At first glance I thought it was a foul!
Now had the opportunity of watching the replay, no doubt he got the ball. What’s more annoying is the ball went backwards, right under the refs nose.
I actually said I thought it was a foul on the interactive chat, how stupid do I feel now! | | | |
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